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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
no sorry, I got that, appreciated and understood that part!! Just adding a bit too it by your reference to the world wide reaction!!
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
And if you know Berlusconi you know this isn't even in his top ten comments!!
LOL - absolutely - the latest edition of the New Yorker has a great article on him - it is quite long, but very interesting. I think there is a website with all of his gaffes.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by poc53
I am going to put this out there...
What do people here and around the world really expect from Obama? Is he going to 'save the world?' Yes, many do not like Bush, I am not crazy with him either, but is the world's view based upon Iraq? Our relations with whom will now be better? Relations with most of Europe is good (actually few have now elected conservative governments), relations with China and Russia probably won't change, and unfortunately, nothing is ever said about S. or Central America.
As far as we go, there was a soundbite of a woman celebrating yelling "now I don't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I don't have to worry about my mortgage'. People can't really believe this, can they?
Yes a change was needed, although Obama's economic policies scare me a bit, what do we expect now?
Just stirring the pot a bit here.
G.W. Bush was always "take my way or the highway". That sense of superiority that people should just follow what he wants as it's a given that others will follow.
That has NOT flew well with other countries. Nobody wants to be told that they are not as powerful as another country. Every country has a sense of pride. It went that way about G.W. Bush and this is why relationships with other countries have deteriorated.
People from around the World are looking for change and "diplomacy" as "don't shove in my face that you are a bigger country".
Also, the financial crisis is not limited to the US. Europe is in the same situation. Umemployment, everything getting so expensive. They hope that with Obama they will see wisdom, cooperation and how to fix the financial crisis.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
What an awesome post!
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
great post!! you are definitely not a hypocrite! and btw, my fam. in Finland was also pulling for him to win!
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by smdl
Posted by poc53
I am going to put this out there...
What do people here and around the world really expect from Obama? Is he going to 'save the world?' Yes, many do not like Bush, I am not crazy with him either, but is the world's view based upon Iraq? Our relations with whom will now be better? Relations with most of Europe is good (actually few have now elected conservative governments), relations with China and Russia probably won't change, and unfortunately, nothing is ever said about S. or Central America.
As far as we go, there was a soundbite of a woman celebrating yelling "now I don't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I don't have to worry about my mortgage'. People can't really believe this, can they?
Yes a change was needed, although Obama's economic policies scare me a bit, what do we expect now?
Just stirring the pot a bit here.
G.W. Bush was always "take my way or the highway". That sense of superiority that people should just follow what he wants as it's a given that others will follow.
That has NOT flew well with other countries. Nobody wants to be told that they are not as powerful as another country. Every country has a sense of pride. It went that way about G.W. Bush and this is why relationships with other countries have deteriorated.
People from around the World are looking for change and "diplomacy" as "don't shove in my face that you are a bigger country".
Also, the financial crisis is not limited to the US. Europe is in the same situation. Umemployment, everything getting so expensive. They hope that with Obama they will see wisdom, cooperation and how to fix the financial crisis.
I just tried to write this and you said it so much better! The superiority complex that america has had the past several years needs to change.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by smdl
Posted by poc53
I am going to put this out there...
What do people here and around the world really expect from Obama? Is he going to 'save the world?' Yes, many do not like Bush, I am not crazy with him either, but is the world's view based upon Iraq? Our relations with whom will now be better? Relations with most of Europe is good (actually few have now elected conservative governments), relations with China and Russia probably won't change, and unfortunately, nothing is ever said about S. or Central America.
As far as we go, there was a soundbite of a woman celebrating yelling "now I don't have to worry about putting gas in my car, I don't have to worry about my mortgage'. People can't really believe this, can they?
Yes a change was needed, although Obama's economic policies scare me a bit, what do we expect now?
Just stirring the pot a bit here.
G.W. Bush was always "take my way or the highway". That sense of superiority that people should just follow what he wants as it's a given that others will follow.
That has NOT flew well with other countries. Nobody wants to be told that they are not as powerful as another country. Every country has a sense of pride. It went that way about G.W. Bush and this is why relationships with other countries have deteriorated.
People from around the World are looking for change and "diplomacy" as "don't shove in my face that you are a bigger country".
Also, the financial crisis is not limited to the US. Europe is in the same situation. Umemployment, everything getting so expensive. They hope that with Obama they will see wisdom, cooperation and how to fix the financial crisis.
 ITA! Bush acting like a "wild cowboy" hasn't encouraged too many countries to work with us.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by curliegirl
You are not even close to being a hypocrite!!!!
But I am happy to hear your new view on the situation.......
But I wonder, and we chatted about this at work because someone else mentioned it.....and I know that it's more of a symbolic thing, but....
Don't your sister and BIL ALREADY encourage your neice and nephew to reach for the stars and be anything they put their minds to? Please don't be offended by this, we were just talking about it yesterday, this is why I bring it up....
I would just think that ESPECIALLY being biracial that the parents would try to hammer that point home even more......
I wasnt going to comment on this but I feel that I have to.
Its not that the parents of Biracial children dont encourage them to reach for the stars. That's not it AT ALL. Unfortunately for many of us we felt that there was this glass ceiling that no matter what we did, we couldnt surpass. Now we have someone to point to and say look--- he looks like you and I and he made it, don't let anyone tell you or make you feel differently. We are extremely happy to be stepping on the glass that once stopped us and is now shattered. It is really hard when you go places and you are judged solely on the color of your skin or the texture of your hair without knowing the qualities that you have. DH has an Irish last name and when people meet him and now me sometimes we get the   reaction.
This is definitely not an attack on you or the views you were trying to express, just a little insight on the other side of this.
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| Posted 11/7/08 12:51 PM |
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poc53
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
I agree with that.. Bush has that way with him but I am asking what is going to change? Actual policy or just an image? I guess it really doesn't matter!
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smdl
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by poc53
I agree with that.. Bush has that way with him but I am asking what is going to change? Actual policy or just an image? I guess it really doesn't matter!
Image mostly. Policies also but for some countries. Europe is more "liberal" than the Bush admisitration. So they may relate more with Obama also just based on that.
Relationships with the World was also better when Clinton was President. And again, not as good when Bush senior was President.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
I agree with the previous posters. It doesn't make you a hypocrite to see the impact & the goodness that comes from breaking down racial barriers.
I don't think that McCain supporters are short sighted about seeing that significance either.
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poc53
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Yes, they are more liberal (having lived in two different European countries during my life, I have seen it and appreciated many aspects of it) but France and Germany have elected more convervative goverments in their last elections.
I'll stop here! I am glad most people are replying to the second portion of your posting rather than like me!! We all want the same thing, a better America.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
I heart you Tilde.
And I was watching Oprah yesterday. Will Smith was on and he put it perfectly (referring to Curliegirl's question...). His dad always instilled in him the "you can do anything you want when you put your mind to it" attitude. And Will Smith said he always believed what his father was telling him, but there was always that small doubt that stayed with him because he never actually saw an African American achieve something as highly regarded as President of the US.... well, now Will Smith said he totally and fully believes what his father had been telling him all his life.... it's all achievable (is that a word??).
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smdl
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by poc53
Yes, they are more liberal (having lived in two different European countries during my life, I have seen it and appreciated many aspects of it) but France and Germany have elected more convervative goverments in their last elections.
I'll stop here! I am glad most people are replying to the second portion of your posting rather than like me!! We all want the same thing, a better America.
Even the more conservative side of French government is not like Republicans here in the US. It's still very socialists in the US eye.
Germany in essence is a bit more conservative than France.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
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Posted by curliegirl
You are not even close to being a hypocrite!!!!
But I am happy to hear your new view on the situation.......
But I wonder, and we chatted about this at work because someone else mentioned it.....and I know that it's more of a symbolic thing, but....
Don't your sister and BIL ALREADY encourage your neice and nephew to reach for the stars and be anything they put their minds to? Please don't be offended by this, we were just talking about it yesterday, this is why I bring it up....
I would just think that ESPECIALLY being biracial that the parents would try to hammer that point home even more......
I wasnt going to comment on this but I feel that I have to.
Its not that the parents of Biracial children dont encourage them to reach for the stars. That's not it AT ALL. Unfortunately for many of us we felt that there was this glass ceiling that no matter what we did, we couldnt surpass. Now we have someone to point to and say look--- he looks like you and I and he made it, don't let anyone tell you or make you feel differently. We are extremely happy to be stepping on the glass that once stopped us and is now shattered. It is really hard when you go places and you are judged solely on the color of your skin or the texture of your hair without knowing the qualities that you have. DH has an Irish last name and when people meet him and now me sometimes we get the reaction.
This is definitely not an attack on you or the views you were trying to express, just a little insight on the other side of this.
I wholeheartedly agree, and even though I don't think the comparison is even close....as a woman I have been exposed to similarities....and there has been no female president yet....but I would hope that all little girls will aspire to maybe be the first.......and yes, a female president would have certainly just exascerbated their confidence.....
I am definitely just creating a discussion and you have certainly opened my eyes as a person who is not in your shoes. Thank you.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Hey Tilde, I think your post makes you the opposite of a hypocrite -- the ability to see a different facet of the Obama story means you have an open and curious mind, and that is a HUGE asset in today's world.
Check out Will Smith on yesterday's Oprah - with TEARS in his eyes he spoke of just the scenario you described - being able to tell his kids they can be ANYTHING they set out to be -- and not being disingenuous about it at all. It was a really lovely anecdote,I'd link it but can't get youtube on this laptop!! 
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
I don't think you are a hypocrite at all, and I think you can appreciate the significance of this election without supporting Obama. I am caucasian, but it moved me in ways I cannot express (beyond the political).
I think it's great that biracial and nonwhite children now have a role model they can look to, also children in single parent households.
While I'm sure you are disappointed McCain did not win in many ways, I'm glad this is good news for you and your family in some respects.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by CoopersMom01
I heart you Tilde.
And I was watching Oprah yesterday. Will Smith was on and he put it perfectly (referring to Curliegirl's question...). His dad always instilled in him the "you can do anything you want when you put your mind to it" attitude. And Will Smith said he always believed what his father was telling him, but there was always that small doubt that stayed with him because he never actually saw an African American achieve something as highly regarded as President of the US.... well, now Will Smith said he totally and fully believes what his father had been telling him all his life.... it's all achievable (is that a word??).
Whoops!!! Department of Redundancy Department  Didn't see that before I posted!!
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by CoopersMom01
I heart you Tilde.
And I was watching Oprah yesterday. Will Smith was on and he put it perfectly (referring to Curliegirl's question...). His dad always instilled in him the "you can do anything you want when you put your mind to it" attitude. And Will Smith said he always believed what his father was telling him, but there was always that small doubt that stayed with him because he never actually saw an African American achieve something as highly regarded as President of the US.... well, now Will Smith said he totally and fully believes what his father had been telling him all his life.... it's all achievable (is that a word??).
OMG, I was just going to post about it and reference Will Smith.
I loved when he was speaking about it and said that they day Obama one meant that there "were no more excuses"
Cause now we saw it happen and we can truly never doubt. Maybe ppl believed but as long as you never seen it happen, you may have had your doubts.
Also Samuel jackson said it eloquently on "Ellen" - Now evvery little girl, asian etc.. kid can believe that anything is possible. And eventually when we see people as people, we may see a Gay president.
Truly inspiring words for me from both men.
ETA: To the OP, if anything you are a better person because you open your mind to new concepts and ideas and learn from them or appreciate them in a different light, it takes a very well rounded individual to change their views or see things differently. That is far from being a hypocrite.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Your definitely not a hypocrite.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by poc53
I agree with that.. Bush has that way with him but I am asking what is going to change? Actual policy or just an image? I guess it really doesn't matter!
I think the fact that he has met with the Iraqi & Pakistani PMs and discussed the difficulties that we've had with their country sent a message that we're no longer going in to countries guns blazing & are willing to talk. I, personally believe, that his acceptance speech "To those who would tear this world down – we will defeat you. To those who seek peace and security – we support you."
was very clear that we are willing to talk to a point, but we will not tolerate harboring terrorists.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
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Posted by CoopersMom01
I heart you Tilde.
And I was watching Oprah yesterday. Will Smith was on and he put it perfectly (referring to Curliegirl's question...). His dad always instilled in him the "you can do anything you want when you put your mind to it" attitude. And Will Smith said he always believed what his father was telling him, but there was always that small doubt that stayed with him because he never actually saw an African American achieve something as highly regarded as President of the US.... well, now Will Smith said he totally and fully believes what his father had been telling him all his life.... it's all achievable (is that a word??).
OMG, I was just going to post about it and reference Will Smith.
I loved when he was speaking about it and said that they day Obama one meant that there "were no more excuses"
Cause now we saw it happen and we can truly never doubt. Maybe ppl believed but as long as you never seen it happen, you may have had your doubts.
Also Samuel jackson said it eloquently on "Ellen" - Now evvery little girl, asian etc.. kid can believe that anything is possible. And eventually when we see people as people, we may see a Gay president.
OK, THIS is more about what I was saying......
We have never had a black president, so there was a cloudiness about whether this achievement was possible. Now that it has been done, how does that give hope to Asians and gays and women, when what others were saying was that blacks were motivated, but until they saw an example of it, it was still murky, like Will Smith said.
And I get that it's someone of a minority and that is a representation of all minorities.....i GET it, really.......
I really mean no disrespect, and I am JUST talking to talk, but in a small way maybe hoping someone else will see what I am saying......
ETA
And not that we don't already do it, but we should be teaching our children of all races, ALWAYS, to do whatever they want, and someone always has to be the first, why not them?
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
You're not a hypocrite at all...I think your post is actually very telling. It makes me feel very positive about our future....a future of more tolerance and acceptance, I hope.
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Re: I feel like a bit of a hypocrite. . .
Posted by curliegirl
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Posted by CoopersMom01
I heart you Tilde.
And I was watching Oprah yesterday. Will Smith was on and he put it perfectly (referring to Curliegirl's question...). His dad always instilled in him the "you can do anything you want when you put your mind to it" attitude. And Will Smith said he always believed what his father was telling him, but there was always that small doubt that stayed with him because he never actually saw an African American achieve something as highly regarded as President of the US.... well, now Will Smith said he totally and fully believes what his father had been telling him all his life.... it's all achievable (is that a word??).
OMG, I was just going to post about it and reference Will Smith.
I loved when he was speaking about it and said that they day Obama one meant that there "were no more excuses"
Cause now we saw it happen and we can truly never doubt. Maybe ppl believed but as long as you never seen it happen, you may have had your doubts.
Also Samuel jackson said it eloquently on "Ellen" - Now evvery little girl, asian etc.. kid can believe that anything is possible. And eventually when we see people as people, we may see a Gay president.
OK, THIS is more about what I was saying......
We have never had a black president, so there was a cloudiness about whether this achievement was possible. Now that it has been done, how does that give hope to Asians and gays and women, when what others were saying was that blacks were motivated, but until they saw an example of it, it was still murky, like Will Smith said.
And I get that it's someone of a minority and that is a representation of all minorities.....i GET it, really.......
I really mean no disrespect, and I am JUST talking to talk, but in a small way maybe hoping someone else will see what I am saying......
ETA
And not that we don't already do it, but we should be teaching our children of all races, ALWAYS, to do whatever they want, and someone always has to be the first, why not them?
This is my perspecitve, and as I said before I am a latina not african american/black however you want to call it. I believed anybody can be president, however, I may have had my doubts that I would see it in my lifetime. I feel blessed to be able to see and live through this historic event. I just think that it lets minorities see that you can be president, if you have all the required skills, heart and motivation. So if you go into politics, you shouldnt use race as an excuse or main focal point to why you didnt get where you wanted.
I guess what I am trying to say is, it may give minorities, people who may have had to break barriers the power to truly believe cause they can relate to him.
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