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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by Raging2020
Can someone please tell me why people would think it would be a good idea to force children to be vaccinated when they can still spread Covid?
Science says they most likely won’t be hospitalized or die.
If the vaccine actually prevented them from spreading Covid, I would be more willing to consider it.
Every vaccine my kids get pretty much guarantees they won’t get the illness or spread it.
Why would we force this upon CHILDREN. There is no benefit to a healthy child. Who is it benefiting?
Actually I think things are worse now with the kids being vaccinated. I was at my sons baseball game on Sunday and there was a boy who was obviously sick. He was coughing and blowing his nose like crazy, so much so that he ran out of tissues and was asking everyone because boogers were literally hanging off his face. Someone on the team asked him “did you get a covid test?” His response was - no, why should I, I’m vaccinated. Um ok, tell that to my three fully vaccinated friends in the same town that are sick with covid righty now. The kid was at every baseball game and school all week. This is why I am hearing more cases in real life in my community then ever before.. The DOH even had to shut down one of our classroom! Not because the kids aren’t vaccinated, because they are!!!
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Can someone please tell me why people would think it would be a good idea to force children to be vaccinated when they can still spread Covid?
Science says they most likely won’t be hospitalized or die.
If the vaccine actually prevented them from spreading Covid, I would be more willing to consider it.
Every vaccine my kids get pretty much guarantees they won’t get the illness or spread it.
Why would we force this upon CHILDREN. There is no benefit to a healthy child. Who is it benefiting?
Actually I think things are worse now with the kids being vaccinated. I was at my sons baseball game on Sunday and there was a boy who was obviously sick. He was coughing and blowing his nose like crazy, so much so that he ran out of tissues and was asking everyone because boogers were literally hanging off his face. Someone on the team asked him “did you get a covid test?” His response was - no, why should I, I’m vaccinated. Um ok, tell that to my three fully vaccinated friends in the same town that are sick with covid righty now. The kid was at every baseball game and school all week. This is why I am hearing more cases in real life in my community then ever before.. The DOH even had to shut down one of our classroom! Not because the kids aren’t vaccinated, because they are!!!
And schools aren't making vaccinated students quarantine after exposure either...so...yeah.
Morons.
Common sense is 100% out the window.
Brave new world!
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by Naturalmama
It's YOU. Not u. We aren't 13 year olds in a group chat.
Thank. YOU...
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Can someone please tell me why people would think it would be a good idea to force children to be vaccinated when they can still spread Covid?
Science says they most likely won’t be hospitalized or die.
If the vaccine actually prevented them from spreading Covid, I would be more willing to consider it.
Every vaccine my kids get pretty much guarantees they won’t get the illness or spread it.
Why would we force this upon CHILDREN. There is no benefit to a healthy child. Who is it benefiting?
Actually I think things are worse now with the kids being vaccinated. I was at my sons baseball game on Sunday and there was a boy who was obviously sick. He was coughing and blowing his nose like crazy, so much so that he ran out of tissues and was asking everyone because boogers were literally hanging off his face. Someone on the team asked him “did you get a covid test?” His response was - no, why should I, I’m vaccinated. Um ok, tell that to my three fully vaccinated friends in the same town that are sick with covid righty now. The kid was at every baseball game and school all week. This is why I am hearing more cases in real life in my community then ever before.. The DOH even had to shut down one of our classroom! Not because the kids aren’t vaccinated, because they are!!!
And schools aren't making vaccinated students quarantine after exposure either...so...yeah.
Morons.
Common sense is 100% out the window.
Brave new world!
Common sense is nonexistent. Well, actually not for those that are counting the days for these mandates to take place. For them, all of it makes perfect sense.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Are u sure we aren’t 13 yr olds in this forum?!?  . By the way some of u behave, I highly doubt it. 
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Raging2020
Can someone please tell me why people would think it would be a good idea to force children to be vaccinated when they can still spread Covid?
Science says they most likely won’t be hospitalized or die.
If the vaccine actually prevented them from spreading Covid, I would be more willing to consider it.
Every vaccine my kids get pretty much guarantees they won’t get the illness or spread it.
Why would we force this upon CHILDREN. There is no benefit to a healthy child. Who is it benefiting?
Actually I think things are worse now with the kids being vaccinated. I was at my sons baseball game on Sunday and there was a boy who was obviously sick. He was coughing and blowing his nose like crazy, so much so that he ran out of tissues and was asking everyone because boogers were literally hanging off his face. Someone on the team asked him “did you get a covid test?” His response was - no, why should I, I’m vaccinated. Um ok, tell that to my three fully vaccinated friends in the same town that are sick with covid righty now. The kid was at every baseball game and school all week. This is why I am hearing more cases in real life in my community then ever before.. The DOH even had to shut down one of our classroom! Not because the kids aren’t vaccinated, because they are!!!
And schools aren't making vaccinated students quarantine after exposure either...so...yeah.
Morons.
Common sense is 100% out the window.
Brave new world!
Common sense is nonexistent. Well, actually not for those that are counting the days for these mandates to take place. For them, all of it makes perfect sense.
Same as jobs requiring testing for non vaccinated once a week. Vaccinated people can be sick too so why are they not required to be tested? If I tested I know I am negative. I don’t know if my coworker is not sick just because they are vaccinated.
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Are u sure we aren’t 13 yr olds in this forum?!? . By the way some of u behave, I highly doubt it.
This is hilarious. I wonder if people actually think before they post.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
oops- misread the quote, Deleted my question
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by windyweather21
Slow at work lately?
Eh. Hasn’t been too bad. Definitely not as slow as you are on the daily apparently.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
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Posted by JennP
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Posted by JennP
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Posted by JennP
I just want to correct some mis/disinformation on this thread and on another recent thread.
I run in many Dem/progressive circles, some more moderate and many not so much.
I can tell you that vaccinating young children for Covid is NOT one of our broad policy goals. Not even a little bit. It simply doesn't come up in meaningful policy discussions or calls to action. Most people, myself included, seem to be in favor of the mandates related to adults and opposed to those for children.
Tell that to the Dems that are passing all these mandate bills. These bills are being set in place so when the vaccine for young children get EUA, they can quickly pass them into law. That’s a pretty big component of the Democrats that they’re not even trying to hide and that u obviously have missed.
Posted by JennP
Right now we are discussing protecting a women's right to bodily autonomy, stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering, holding Biden accountable for his promises, and creating policies that lift people out of poverty including and especially a living wage. We're not even talking about Covid much right now, at least not now that we got passed the lunatics at the school board meetings who protested the mask mandates.
And since someone said something about how all the people introducing bills are Dems, I have to suggest that you not open that can of worms for your own sake considering the Republican extremes consists of groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Nazis. So let's not judge groups by its fringe lunatics.
But, if we are in fact going to do so, cool. One group's lunatics are supporting a misguided attempt to save children's lives while the other's wants to kill minorities, so I am comfortable with where I stand.
Read again, I said Dems are introducing mandate bills, and what does Republicans have anything to do with what I said? Are u bringing it up as a dig because u think I’m a Republican?? I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve never been a Republican. I actually used to be a Democrat til I saw all the crappy decisions that have directly affected my family and thousands of others.
I haven't missed anything. I am countering your fear mongering. There is absolutely no mass movement to require children get the Covid vaccine. It's NOT happening. This is all public information. People can see bills going through the system so hopefully people see through what you are saying.
You brought up the political portion when you said it's always Dems. I was bringing the other side to light to make a point that I am not going to repeat.
This is an actual question, I am not being snarky at all, but is it your understanding that there is no discussion at the state level to mandate the covid vaccine for children for school?
I am curious as well as I had heard/read/etc that bills have been introduced in the Senate and Assembly already.
My contention is that there is not a widespread movement to mandate the Covid vaccine for children at this time, either in the national or state conversation. And this is born out in the data: for anyone who wants to do their research, if you go to the NYS assembly and Senate websites and put in the word "vaccine" you will not find anything about requiring the Covid vaccine for schoolchildren. I know it was reported that there is a proposed bill by Hoylman but unless I missed something it doesn't seem to have a number yet and is therefore not official.
But, you know what you will find? MULTIPLE bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine. Not sure how many. I stopped counting at five.
I could have missed something, but even if I did, it's clear the effort to prohibit a mandate is MUCH more prolific than the opposite.
I know a lot of local reps, I've been to Albany, etc. I am very involved and this is really just NOT the conversation right now for most of them. It's fear mongering. Period.
Multiple bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine?? Please do share. Who’s sponsoring them?
What do u propose parents concerned about bills for vaccine mandates do? Wait til they pass and then finally try to do something about it? That’s not how it works and we need to be proactive about it. Just so u know a bill can pass in less than 24 hrs just like it did for religious exemptions. In less than one day, this bill passed the health committee, both assembly and senate floors, and signed by Cuomo. So don’t try to say bills are introduced all the time but that doesn’t mean anything. This might not be ur concern but it is the concern of many other parents.
And good riddance to the religious vaccine exemption. If your God doesn't want you to protect your children, you need a new God. It passed in 24 hours because it's common sense.
No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will.
Posted by JennP
ETA: Someone named DiPietro sponsored one. There are more but you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Yes, that’s what I thought u were gonna say. DiPietro is a Republican, not a Democrat. Do u really think a bill like that would ever pass in a trifecta Democratic state like NY? If I were so involved like u’re claiming to be, u’d know this bill would never stand a chance. It’d never have the tiniest, slightest chance. Not only because Democrats are not for personal/parental choice but also because this bill is sponsored by a Republican and we all know how these 2 parties loveee each other. I was talking about -Democrats- submitting and passing bills to making this vaccine mandatory. U inferred they’re making bills to prohibit the mandates. I asked u which ones, u weren’t able to answer, and u won’t because there are none.
Didn't read that she said DEMOCRATS were making bills, she said there WERE bills being proposed NOT to mandate vaccines, not the other way around. I didn't take she was inferring anything pertaining to party on the bills being introduced.
And what does this mean...
"No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will."
Do you mean like her in that she wouldn't falsely claim a religious exemption to bypass the requirement to vaccinate?
Yes, thank you. I never implied that Dems were writing bills to prohibit mandates. My point was that the bills existed because anyone can write any bills they want. Furthermore, there are MULTIPLE bills to prohibit mandates while there are currently ZERO that appear to be on the docket to implement school mandates for under 18. So the uproar is a total distortion of what is actually happening. It's based on fear mongering and doesn't compute with reality. But they get away with it because no one really researches the bills, it's just "I heard this or that." And I get that people wouldn't think to do that. But that's why we always have to be careful that we share the truth to the best of our ability.
And to your last point - oooh that's interesting. I didn't realize she lied to use the former exemption. What a garbage thing to do.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by JennP
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
I just want to correct some mis/disinformation on this thread and on another recent thread.
I run in many Dem/progressive circles, some more moderate and many not so much.
I can tell you that vaccinating young children for Covid is NOT one of our broad policy goals. Not even a little bit. It simply doesn't come up in meaningful policy discussions or calls to action. Most people, myself included, seem to be in favor of the mandates related to adults and opposed to those for children.
Tell that to the Dems that are passing all these mandate bills. These bills are being set in place so when the vaccine for young children get EUA, they can quickly pass them into law. That’s a pretty big component of the Democrats that they’re not even trying to hide and that u obviously have missed.
Posted by JennP
Right now we are discussing protecting a women's right to bodily autonomy, stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering, holding Biden accountable for his promises, and creating policies that lift people out of poverty including and especially a living wage. We're not even talking about Covid much right now, at least not now that we got passed the lunatics at the school board meetings who protested the mask mandates.
And since someone said something about how all the people introducing bills are Dems, I have to suggest that you not open that can of worms for your own sake considering the Republican extremes consists of groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Nazis. So let's not judge groups by its fringe lunatics.
But, if we are in fact going to do so, cool. One group's lunatics are supporting a misguided attempt to save children's lives while the other's wants to kill minorities, so I am comfortable with where I stand.
Read again, I said Dems are introducing mandate bills, and what does Republicans have anything to do with what I said? Are u bringing it up as a dig because u think I’m a Republican?? I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve never been a Republican. I actually used to be a Democrat til I saw all the crappy decisions that have directly affected my family and thousands of others.
I haven't missed anything. I am countering your fear mongering. There is absolutely no mass movement to require children get the Covid vaccine. It's NOT happening. This is all public information. People can see bills going through the system so hopefully people see through what you are saying.
You brought up the political portion when you said it's always Dems. I was bringing the other side to light to make a point that I am not going to repeat.
This is an actual question, I am not being snarky at all, but is it your understanding that there is no discussion at the state level to mandate the covid vaccine for children for school?
I am curious as well as I had heard/read/etc that bills have been introduced in the Senate and Assembly already.
My contention is that there is not a widespread movement to mandate the Covid vaccine for children at this time, either in the national or state conversation. And this is born out in the data: for anyone who wants to do their research, if you go to the NYS assembly and Senate websites and put in the word "vaccine" you will not find anything about requiring the Covid vaccine for schoolchildren. I know it was reported that there is a proposed bill by Hoylman but unless I missed something it doesn't seem to have a number yet and is therefore not official.
But, you know what you will find? MULTIPLE bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine. Not sure how many. I stopped counting at five.
I could have missed something, but even if I did, it's clear the effort to prohibit a mandate is MUCH more prolific than the opposite.
I know a lot of local reps, I've been to Albany, etc. I am very involved and this is really just NOT the conversation right now for most of them. It's fear mongering. Period.
Multiple bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine?? Please do share. Who’s sponsoring them?
What do u propose parents concerned about bills for vaccine mandates do? Wait til they pass and then finally try to do something about it? That’s not how it works and we need to be proactive about it. Just so u know a bill can pass in less than 24 hrs just like it did for religious exemptions. In less than one day, this bill passed the health committee, both assembly and senate floors, and signed by Cuomo. So don’t try to say bills are introduced all the time but that doesn’t mean anything. This might not be ur concern but it is the concern of many other parents.
And good riddance to the religious vaccine exemption. If your God doesn't want you to protect your children, you need a new God. It passed in 24 hours because it's common sense.
No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will.
Posted by JennP
ETA: Someone named DiPietro sponsored one. There are more but you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Yes, that’s what I thought u were gonna say. DiPietro is a Republican, not a Democrat. Do u really think a bill like that would ever pass in a trifecta Democratic state like NY? If I were so involved like u’re claiming to be, u’d know this bill would never stand a chance. It’d never have the tiniest, slightest chance. Not only because Democrats are not for personal/parental choice but also because this bill is sponsored by a Republican and we all know how these 2 parties loveee each other. I was talking about -Democrats- submitting and passing bills to making this vaccine mandatory. U inferred they’re making bills to prohibit the mandates. I asked u which ones, u weren’t able to answer, and u won’t because there are none.
Didn't read that she said DEMOCRATS were making bills, she said there WERE bills being proposed NOT to mandate vaccines, not the other way around. I didn't take she was inferring anything pertaining to party on the bills being introduced.
And what does this mean...
"No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will."
Do you mean like her in that she wouldn't falsely claim a religious exemption to bypass the requirement to vaccinate?
Yes, thank you. I never implied that Dems were writing bills to prohibit mandates. My point was that the bills existed because anyone can write any bills they want. Furthermore, there are MULTIPLE bills to prohibit mandates while there are currently ZERO that appear to be on the docket to implement school mandates for under 18. So the uproar is a total distortion of what is actually happening. It's based on fear mongering and doesn't compute with reality. But they get away with it because no one really researches the bills, it's just "I heard this or that." And I get that people wouldn't think to do that. But that's why we always have to be careful that we share the truth to the best of our ability.
And to your last point - oooh that's interesting. I didn't realize she lied to use the former exemption. What a garbage thing to do.
Oh I don’t know that SHE has used the religious exemption herself but the fact that it can’t be used caused a lot of outrage bc I’m sure that exemption was used quite a bit falsely. It was their “out”. And I think that was even alluded to in some of the posts. But unlike others I’m not going to spend the time to stalk and find the exact posts.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mommy2devin
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
I just want to correct some mis/disinformation on this thread and on another recent thread.
I run in many Dem/progressive circles, some more moderate and many not so much.
I can tell you that vaccinating young children for Covid is NOT one of our broad policy goals. Not even a little bit. It simply doesn't come up in meaningful policy discussions or calls to action. Most people, myself included, seem to be in favor of the mandates related to adults and opposed to those for children.
Tell that to the Dems that are passing all these mandate bills. These bills are being set in place so when the vaccine for young children get EUA, they can quickly pass them into law. That’s a pretty big component of the Democrats that they’re not even trying to hide and that u obviously have missed.
Posted by JennP
Right now we are discussing protecting a women's right to bodily autonomy, stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering, holding Biden accountable for his promises, and creating policies that lift people out of poverty including and especially a living wage. We're not even talking about Covid much right now, at least not now that we got passed the lunatics at the school board meetings who protested the mask mandates.
And since someone said something about how all the people introducing bills are Dems, I have to suggest that you not open that can of worms for your own sake considering the Republican extremes consists of groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Nazis. So let's not judge groups by its fringe lunatics.
But, if we are in fact going to do so, cool. One group's lunatics are supporting a misguided attempt to save children's lives while the other's wants to kill minorities, so I am comfortable with where I stand.
Read again, I said Dems are introducing mandate bills, and what does Republicans have anything to do with what I said? Are u bringing it up as a dig because u think I’m a Republican?? I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve never been a Republican. I actually used to be a Democrat til I saw all the crappy decisions that have directly affected my family and thousands of others.
I haven't missed anything. I am countering your fear mongering. There is absolutely no mass movement to require children get the Covid vaccine. It's NOT happening. This is all public information. People can see bills going through the system so hopefully people see through what you are saying.
You brought up the political portion when you said it's always Dems. I was bringing the other side to light to make a point that I am not going to repeat.
This is an actual question, I am not being snarky at all, but is it your understanding that there is no discussion at the state level to mandate the covid vaccine for children for school?
I am curious as well as I had heard/read/etc that bills have been introduced in the Senate and Assembly already.
My contention is that there is not a widespread movement to mandate the Covid vaccine for children at this time, either in the national or state conversation. And this is born out in the data: for anyone who wants to do their research, if you go to the NYS assembly and Senate websites and put in the word "vaccine" you will not find anything about requiring the Covid vaccine for schoolchildren. I know it was reported that there is a proposed bill by Hoylman but unless I missed something it doesn't seem to have a number yet and is therefore not official.
But, you know what you will find? MULTIPLE bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine. Not sure how many. I stopped counting at five.
I could have missed something, but even if I did, it's clear the effort to prohibit a mandate is MUCH more prolific than the opposite.
I know a lot of local reps, I've been to Albany, etc. I am very involved and this is really just NOT the conversation right now for most of them. It's fear mongering. Period.
Multiple bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine?? Please do share. Who’s sponsoring them?
What do u propose parents concerned about bills for vaccine mandates do? Wait til they pass and then finally try to do something about it? That’s not how it works and we need to be proactive about it. Just so u know a bill can pass in less than 24 hrs just like it did for religious exemptions. In less than one day, this bill passed the health committee, both assembly and senate floors, and signed by Cuomo. So don’t try to say bills are introduced all the time but that doesn’t mean anything. This might not be ur concern but it is the concern of many other parents.
And good riddance to the religious vaccine exemption. If your God doesn't want you to protect your children, you need a new God. It passed in 24 hours because it's common sense.
No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will.
Posted by JennP
ETA: Someone named DiPietro sponsored one. There are more but you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Yes, that’s what I thought u were gonna say. DiPietro is a Republican, not a Democrat. Do u really think a bill like that would ever pass in a trifecta Democratic state like NY? If I were so involved like u’re claiming to be, u’d know this bill would never stand a chance. It’d never have the tiniest, slightest chance. Not only because Democrats are not for personal/parental choice but also because this bill is sponsored by a Republican and we all know how these 2 parties loveee each other. I was talking about -Democrats- submitting and passing bills to making this vaccine mandatory. U inferred they’re making bills to prohibit the mandates. I asked u which ones, u weren’t able to answer, and u won’t because there are none.
Didn't read that she said DEMOCRATS were making bills, she said there WERE bills being proposed NOT to mandate vaccines, not the other way around. I didn't take she was inferring anything pertaining to party on the bills being introduced.
And what does this mean...
"No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will."
Do you mean like her in that she wouldn't falsely claim a religious exemption to bypass the requirement to vaccinate?
Yes, thank you. I never implied that Dems were writing bills to prohibit mandates. My point was that the bills existed because anyone can write any bills they want. Furthermore, there are MULTIPLE bills to prohibit mandates while there are currently ZERO that appear to be on the docket to implement school mandates for under 18. So the uproar is a total distortion of what is actually happening. It's based on fear mongering and doesn't compute with reality. But they get away with it because no one really researches the bills, it's just "I heard this or that." And I get that people wouldn't think to do that. But that's why we always have to be careful that we share the truth to the best of our ability.
And to your last point - oooh that's interesting. I didn't realize she lied to use the former exemption. What a garbage thing to do.
Oh I don’t know that SHE has used the religious exemption herself but the fact that it can’t be used caused a lot of outrage bc I’m sure that exemption was used quite a bit falsely. It was their “out”. And I think that was even alluded to in some of the posts. But unlike others I’m not going to spend the time to stalk and find the exact posts.
Gotcha. I misread – thanks for clarifying. And yeah, definitely not worth researching lol.
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Slow at work lately?
Eh. Hasn’t been too bad. Definitely not as slow as you are on the daily apparently.
Nah, not slow, just move faster. Good and bad as I know I can accomplish a lot and I can wear myself out lol
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
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Posted by JennP
I just want to correct some mis/disinformation on this thread and on another recent thread.
I run in many Dem/progressive circles, some more moderate and many not so much.
I can tell you that vaccinating young children for Covid is NOT one of our broad policy goals. Not even a little bit. It simply doesn't come up in meaningful policy discussions or calls to action. Most people, myself included, seem to be in favor of the mandates related to adults and opposed to those for children.
Tell that to the Dems that are passing all these mandate bills. These bills are being set in place so when the vaccine for young children get EUA, they can quickly pass them into law. That’s a pretty big component of the Democrats that they’re not even trying to hide and that u obviously have missed.
Posted by JennP
Right now we are discussing protecting a women's right to bodily autonomy, stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering, holding Biden accountable for his promises, and creating policies that lift people out of poverty including and especially a living wage. We're not even talking about Covid much right now, at least not now that we got passed the lunatics at the school board meetings who protested the mask mandates.
And since someone said something about how all the people introducing bills are Dems, I have to suggest that you not open that can of worms for your own sake considering the Republican extremes consists of groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Nazis. So let's not judge groups by its fringe lunatics.
But, if we are in fact going to do so, cool. One group's lunatics are supporting a misguided attempt to save children's lives while the other's wants to kill minorities, so I am comfortable with where I stand.
Read again, I said Dems are introducing mandate bills, and what does Republicans have anything to do with what I said? Are u bringing it up as a dig because u think I’m a Republican?? I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve never been a Republican. I actually used to be a Democrat til I saw all the crappy decisions that have directly affected my family and thousands of others.
I haven't missed anything. I am countering your fear mongering. There is absolutely no mass movement to require children get the Covid vaccine. It's NOT happening. This is all public information. People can see bills going through the system so hopefully people see through what you are saying.
You brought up the political portion when you said it's always Dems. I was bringing the other side to light to make a point that I am not going to repeat.
This is an actual question, I am not being snarky at all, but is it your understanding that there is no discussion at the state level to mandate the covid vaccine for children for school?
I am curious as well as I had heard/read/etc that bills have been introduced in the Senate and Assembly already.
My contention is that there is not a widespread movement to mandate the Covid vaccine for children at this time, either in the national or state conversation. And this is born out in the data: for anyone who wants to do their research, if you go to the NYS assembly and Senate websites and put in the word "vaccine" you will not find anything about requiring the Covid vaccine for schoolchildren. I know it was reported that there is a proposed bill by Hoylman but unless I missed something it doesn't seem to have a number yet and is therefore not official.
But, you know what you will find? MULTIPLE bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine. Not sure how many. I stopped counting at five.
I could have missed something, but even if I did, it's clear the effort to prohibit a mandate is MUCH more prolific than the opposite.
I know a lot of local reps, I've been to Albany, etc. I am very involved and this is really just NOT the conversation right now for most of them. It's fear mongering. Period.
Multiple bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine?? Please do share. Who’s sponsoring them?
What do u propose parents concerned about bills for vaccine mandates do? Wait til they pass and then finally try to do something about it? That’s not how it works and we need to be proactive about it. Just so u know a bill can pass in less than 24 hrs just like it did for religious exemptions. In less than one day, this bill passed the health committee, both assembly and senate floors, and signed by Cuomo. So don’t try to say bills are introduced all the time but that doesn’t mean anything. This might not be ur concern but it is the concern of many other parents.
And good riddance to the religious vaccine exemption. If your God doesn't want you to protect your children, you need a new God. It passed in 24 hours because it's common sense.
No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will.
Posted by JennP
ETA: Someone named DiPietro sponsored one. There are more but you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Yes, that’s what I thought u were gonna say. DiPietro is a Republican, not a Democrat. Do u really think a bill like that would ever pass in a trifecta Democratic state like NY? If I were so involved like u’re claiming to be, u’d know this bill would never stand a chance. It’d never have the tiniest, slightest chance. Not only because Democrats are not for personal/parental choice but also because this bill is sponsored by a Republican and we all know how these 2 parties loveee each other. I was talking about -Democrats- submitting and passing bills to making this vaccine mandatory. U inferred they’re making bills to prohibit the mandates. I asked u which ones, u weren’t able to answer, and u won’t because there are none.
Didn't read that she said DEMOCRATS were making bills, she said there WERE bills being proposed NOT to mandate vaccines, not the other way around. I didn't take she was inferring anything pertaining to party on the bills being introduced.
And what does this mean...
"No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will."
Do you mean like her in that she wouldn't falsely claim a religious exemption to bypass the requirement to vaccinate?
Yes, thank you. I never implied that Dems were writing bills to prohibit mandates. My point was that the bills existed because anyone can write any bills they want. Furthermore, there are MULTIPLE bills to prohibit mandates while there are currently ZERO that appear to be on the docket to implement school mandates for under 18. So the uproar is a total distortion of what is actually happening. It's based on fear mongering and doesn't compute with reality. But they get away with it because no one really researches the bills, it's just "I heard this or that." And I get that people wouldn't think to do that. But that's why we always have to be careful that we share the truth to the best of our ability.
U’re saying we always have to be careful that we share the truth but then u’re also saying this?!?
Posted by JennP
And to your last point - oooh that's interesting. I didn't realize she lied to use the former exemption. What a garbage thing to do.
 ...yeah sure, let’s make sure we’re sharing the truth.
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by JennP
I just want to correct some mis/disinformation on this thread and on another recent thread.
I run in many Dem/progressive circles, some more moderate and many not so much.
I can tell you that vaccinating young children for Covid is NOT one of our broad policy goals. Not even a little bit. It simply doesn't come up in meaningful policy discussions or calls to action. Most people, myself included, seem to be in favor of the mandates related to adults and opposed to those for children.
Tell that to the Dems that are passing all these mandate bills. These bills are being set in place so when the vaccine for young children get EUA, they can quickly pass them into law. That’s a pretty big component of the Democrats that they’re not even trying to hide and that u obviously have missed.
Posted by JennP
Right now we are discussing protecting a women's right to bodily autonomy, stopping voter suppression and gerrymandering, holding Biden accountable for his promises, and creating policies that lift people out of poverty including and especially a living wage. We're not even talking about Covid much right now, at least not now that we got passed the lunatics at the school board meetings who protested the mask mandates.
And since someone said something about how all the people introducing bills are Dems, I have to suggest that you not open that can of worms for your own sake considering the Republican extremes consists of groups like the KKK, Proud Boys, and Nazis. So let's not judge groups by its fringe lunatics.
But, if we are in fact going to do so, cool. One group's lunatics are supporting a misguided attempt to save children's lives while the other's wants to kill minorities, so I am comfortable with where I stand.
Read again, I said Dems are introducing mandate bills, and what does Republicans have anything to do with what I said? Are u bringing it up as a dig because u think I’m a Republican?? I’m sorry to disappoint but I’ve never been a Republican. I actually used to be a Democrat til I saw all the crappy decisions that have directly affected my family and thousands of others.
I haven't missed anything. I am countering your fear mongering. There is absolutely no mass movement to require children get the Covid vaccine. It's NOT happening. This is all public information. People can see bills going through the system so hopefully people see through what you are saying.
You brought up the political portion when you said it's always Dems. I was bringing the other side to light to make a point that I am not going to repeat.
This is an actual question, I am not being snarky at all, but is it your understanding that there is no discussion at the state level to mandate the covid vaccine for children for school?
I am curious as well as I had heard/read/etc that bills have been introduced in the Senate and Assembly already.
My contention is that there is not a widespread movement to mandate the Covid vaccine for children at this time, either in the national or state conversation. And this is born out in the data: for anyone who wants to do their research, if you go to the NYS assembly and Senate websites and put in the word "vaccine" you will not find anything about requiring the Covid vaccine for schoolchildren. I know it was reported that there is a proposed bill by Hoylman but unless I missed something it doesn't seem to have a number yet and is therefore not official.
But, you know what you will find? MULTIPLE bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine. Not sure how many. I stopped counting at five.
I could have missed something, but even if I did, it's clear the effort to prohibit a mandate is MUCH more prolific than the opposite.
I know a lot of local reps, I've been to Albany, etc. I am very involved and this is really just NOT the conversation right now for most of them. It's fear mongering. Period.
Multiple bills to prohibit the mandate of the vaccine?? Please do share. Who’s sponsoring them?
What do u propose parents concerned about bills for vaccine mandates do? Wait til they pass and then finally try to do something about it? That’s not how it works and we need to be proactive about it. Just so u know a bill can pass in less than 24 hrs just like it did for religious exemptions. In less than one day, this bill passed the health committee, both assembly and senate floors, and signed by Cuomo. So don’t try to say bills are introduced all the time but that doesn’t mean anything. This might not be ur concern but it is the concern of many other parents.
And good riddance to the religious vaccine exemption. If your God doesn't want you to protect your children, you need a new God. It passed in 24 hours because it's common sense.
No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will.
Posted by JennP
ETA: Someone named DiPietro sponsored one. There are more but you can do the rest of your research on your own.
Yes, that’s what I thought u were gonna say. DiPietro is a Republican, not a Democrat. Do u really think a bill like that would ever pass in a trifecta Democratic state like NY? If I were so involved like u’re claiming to be, u’d know this bill would never stand a chance. It’d never have the tiniest, slightest chance. Not only because Democrats are not for personal/parental choice but also because this bill is sponsored by a Republican and we all know how these 2 parties loveee each other. I was talking about -Democrats- submitting and passing bills to making this vaccine mandatory. U inferred they’re making bills to prohibit the mandates. I asked u which ones, u weren’t able to answer, and u won’t because there are none.
Didn't read that she said DEMOCRATS were making bills, she said there WERE bills being proposed NOT to mandate vaccines, not the other way around. I didn't take she was inferring anything pertaining to party on the bills being introduced.
And what does this mean...
"No comment because I would literally be wasting my energy and time addressing this with someone like u. U don’t get it and u never will."
Do you mean like her in that she wouldn't falsely claim a religious exemption to bypass the requirement to vaccinate?
Yes, thank you. I never implied that Dems were writing bills to prohibit mandates. My point was that the bills existed because anyone can write any bills they want. Furthermore, there are MULTIPLE bills to prohibit mandates while there are currently ZERO that appear to be on the docket to implement school mandates for under 18. So the uproar is a total distortion of what is actually happening. It's based on fear mongering and doesn't compute with reality. But they get away with it because no one really researches the bills, it's just "I heard this or that." And I get that people wouldn't think to do that. But that's why we always have to be careful that we share the truth to the best of our ability.
U’re saying we always have to be careful that we share the truth but then u’re also saying this?!?
Posted by JennP
And to your last point - oooh that's interesting. I didn't realize she lied to use the former exemption. What a garbage thing to do.
...yeah sure, let’s make sure we’re sharing the truth.
Silly, what's good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
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