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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by chilltocam
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I missed roe vs wade. Can someone recap?
The question was about appointing SCOTUS judges. He said he would appoint 3 that oppose R v W. Then he said it would be up to the States but when asked again he said he would support overturning R v W if judges did
What about gay marriage? i didnt watch it because i just couldnt after the last ones, but my mom said he would appoint justices that would repeal?
From what i am reading, hearing, etc i think i will vote now....
I'm assuming that yes, conservative judges would be against federal gay marriage as well, arguing that regardless of personal beliefs it belongs in the realm of the states domain, not the federal government
So if a gay couple get married in a state that allows it and then travels or moves to a state that doesn't, what happens to their rights. It needs to be a Federal law.
Right, and in my case- DW couldnt get on my insurance after we were MARRIED because of the type it was, it was only required to follow federal NOT state rules.
And what about our son. Has anyone seen the movies (based on true life) of what could happen if one of us died.
And then they could repeal adoptions by same sex parents and etc etc etc.
no. no. no.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
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And as far as ivf babies are concerned I can assure you mine are perfectly natural 
And beautiful and smart and LOVED!!
and...if you believe...a gift from god! 
That they are!
Thanks girls
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Mrs&MrsK
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Mrs&MrsK
Posted by stinger
Posted by RainyDay
I missed roe vs wade. Can someone recap?
The question was about appointing SCOTUS judges. He said he would appoint 3 that oppose R v W. Then he said it would be up to the States but when asked again he said he would support overturning R v W if judges did
What about gay marriage? i didnt watch it because i just couldnt after the last ones, but my mom said he would appoint justices that would repeal?
From what i am reading, hearing, etc i think i will vote now....
I'm assuming that yes, conservative judges would be against federal gay marriage as well, arguing that regardless of personal beliefs it belongs in the realm of the states domain, not the federal government
So if a gay couple get married in a state that allows it and then travels or moves to a state that doesn't, what happens to their rights. It needs to be a Federal law.
Right, and in my case- DW couldnt get on my insurance after we were MARRIED because of the type it was, it was only required to follow federal NOT state rules.
And what about our son. Has anyone seen the movies (based on true life) of what could happen if one of us died.
And then they could repeal adoptions by same sex parents and etc etc etc.
no. no. no.
ridiculous! its 2016!!
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by evrythng4areason
Posted by Mrs&MrsK
Posted by stinger
Posted by RainyDay
I missed roe vs wade. Can someone recap?
The question was about appointing SCOTUS judges. He said he would appoint 3 that oppose R v W. Then he said it would be up to the States but when asked again he said he would support overturning R v W if judges did
What about gay marriage? i didnt watch it because i just couldnt after the last ones, but my mom said he would appoint justices that would repeal?
From what i am reading, hearing, etc i think i will vote now....
I'm assuming that yes, conservative judges would be against federal gay marriage as well, arguing that regardless of personal beliefs it belongs in the realm of the states domain, not the federal government
So if a gay couple get married in a state that allows it and then travels or moves to a state that doesn't, what happens to their rights. It needs to be a Federal law.
Which was how it was 2 years ago, right?
It would be major blow to the progress this country has made.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by jlm2008
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It is NOT a person and therefore does not have rights. The woman carrying the fetus does, however. A right to decided what she needs to do for herself and her family. As an actual person responsible for herself and possibly other people, already.
I seriously want to know how many people so opposed to abortion have actually gone out, supported a woman emotionally, physically and financially through her entire pregnancy and then went on to adopt her child. Your "beliefs" do not supersede anyone's rights.
Heartbeat = LIFE
I respect your belief. May I ask (genuinely, respectfully asking)--how you and others who share this view feel pre-heartbeat, and even about craeting, but not using some embryos in the course of ivf? Genuinely interested.
I of course expect to be berated , because that is what most of the lovely ladies on this site who don't agree do, but I personally do not believe in IVF or any un natural means of conceiving a child. Which means I'm basically not having kids, since I'm already 38.
So then, you would have expected my mother to carry a brain damaged fetus to term, go through labor, and then have a funeral for it? Instead of her being able to make the terrible decision earlier in the pregnancy, pick up the pieces and move on?
When have I ever said that? No, not at all. I believe abortion should be legal in the case of rape, incest, or if the life of the mother or the child is in danger.
She was not raped, it was not incest, she was not in danger and neither was the baby. However, the baby would have been born severely mentally impaired and have zero quality of life. Therefore, from what you stated above, she would have been forced to carry it to term.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by Mrs&MrsK
Posted by stinger
Posted by RainyDay
I missed roe vs wade. Can someone recap?
The question was about appointing SCOTUS judges. He said he would appoint 3 that oppose R v W. Then he said it would be up to the States but when asked again he said he would support overturning R v W if judges did
What about gay marriage? i didnt watch it because i just couldnt after the last ones, but my mom said he would appoint justices that would repeal?
From what i am reading, hearing, etc i think i will vote now....
they actually didn't bring up same sex marriage. Hillary just brought up that she would support it. but Trump only mentioned he would bring in Pro-Life judges who would overturn RvW
You can look online for Trump's list of potential judges and see what they believe about marriage equality. I think it is safe to assume that if he picks ultra-conservative judges, marriage equality has a good chance of going out the window.
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Final Presidential Debate
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
absolutely. i think after a certain point...deemed by medical professionals...that a fetus can survive outside the womb and there is no medical threat to the mother or child...i dont think the fetus should be terminated.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
absolutely. i think after a certain point...deemed by medical professionals...that a fetus can survive outside the womb and there is no medical threat to the mother or child...i dont think the fetus should be terminated.
I agree but I think that removing that choice would create a slippery slope.
I read somewhere last night, and I think it was a slightly dated source (2014) so I don't know if it has changed in the past 2 years, that there are only 4 physicians in this country who will perform a non-medically necessary late term abortion. Unless a woman lives near one of these 4 doctors, I'd imagine that she would have to have thought about this decision long and hard enough to take the time to travel and pay (because it's very expensive compared to an abortion performed earlier in the pregnancy). I find it hard to believe that a woman 25, 30, 35 weeks pregnant would be able to decide on a whim to have a non-medically necessary abortion. That's my assumption anyway.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
absolutely. i think after a certain point...deemed by medical professionals...that a fetus can survive outside the womb and there is no medical threat to the mother or child...i dont think the fetus should be terminated.
I agree but I think that removing that choice would create a slippery slope.
I read somewhere last night, and I think it was a slightly dated source (2014) so I don't know if it has changed in the past 2 years, that there are only 4 physicians in this country who will perform a non-medically necessary late term abortion. Unless a woman lives near one of these 4 doctors, I'd imagine that she would have to have thought about this decision long and hard enough to take the time to travel and pay (because it's very expensive compared to an abortion performed earlier in the pregnancy). I find it hard to believe that a woman 25, 30, 35 weeks pregnant would be able to decide on a whim to have a non-medically necessary abortion. That's my assumption anyway.
totally agree about the slippery slope. just saying about my feelings. so people don't think pro-choice people are animals.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
But isn't it illegal after 24 weeks unless medically necessary?
Wouldn't a c section be performed
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
What I mean is you can't walk in to a doc at 30 weeks and ask for a abortion bc you want one
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
absolutely. i think after a certain point...deemed by medical professionals...that a fetus can survive outside the womb and there is no medical threat to the mother or child...i dont think the fetus should be terminated.
I agree but I think that removing that choice would create a slippery slope.
I read somewhere last night, and I think it was a slightly dated source (2014) so I don't know if it has changed in the past 2 years, that there are only 4 physicians in this country who will perform a non-medically necessary late term abortion. Unless a woman lives near one of these 4 doctors, I'd imagine that she would have to have thought about this decision long and hard enough to take the time to travel and pay (because it's very expensive compared to an abortion performed earlier in the pregnancy). I find it hard to believe that a woman 25, 30, 35 weeks pregnant would be able to decide on a whim to have a non-medically necessary abortion. That's my assumption anyway.
totally agree about the slippery slope. just saying about my feelings. so people don't think pro-choice people are animals.
to add to your "we're not animals"
I am very much pro-choice. No one should be able to dictate to me what i do or do not do with my body and the cells that are growing within it.
BUT, the older i get the more against abortion i become. abortion as birth- control infuriates me. If you cannot afford the consequences of having sex, do not have sex. No one forces you to do it!
For me personally, i did not have any non-required testing done when i was pregnant because i knew even if DS had any sort of malformity or issue I would not terminate the pregnancy. Rape and incest is a case-by-case basis for me. (i know! no flaming! it's just a personal belief) Late-term is totally out. If it was a decision between my life or the unborn child's I would pick the baby (and most likely leave my DH to raise to children by himself)
With all that, I still wouldn't dare tell someone else what to do! Not your concern! It is up to the mother!
And so, i am pro-choice
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
There are only 4 practioners that perform the specific late term abortion that is done up to 36 weeks- but there are actually over 20 clinics that will perform post viability abortions (in those states that have no gestional limit).
I agree it's a slippery slope, and I believe in choice; however I have a problem seeing the issue in black and white and not in shades of gray. Removing the issue of church and state, I wrestle with when science comes in to play.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by ElizaRags35
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Not for anything but I wouldn't want to live in a country where I didn't have the right to a safe, legal abortion if I so chose.
Before it was legal, abortion still existed in this country. You will never get rid of it no matter what. It was just done illegally and unsafely
Completely agree. And to force a woman to carry an already deceased fetus to term because it's too late? Cruel.
If the fetus is dead, that wouldn't be considered abortion though right? That would just be a D&C. Isn't abortion defined as terminating a pregnancy (as in a living fetus)?
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by FTM427
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by NervousNell
Not for anything but I wouldn't want to live in a country where I didn't have the right to a safe, legal abortion if I so chose.
Before it was legal, abortion still existed in this country. You will never get rid of it no matter what. It was just done illegally and unsafely
Completely agree. And to force a woman to carry an already deceased fetus to term because it's too late? Cruel.
If the fetus is dead, that wouldn't be considered abortion though right? That would just be a D&C. Isn't abortion defined as terminating a pregnancy (as in a living fetus)?
I think someone cited a case in this thread where the fetus still had a heartbeat but was completely incompatible with life outside the womb.
And because of that the mother could not abort.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by Ian&EmmesMommy23
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
absolutely. i think after a certain point...deemed by medical professionals...that a fetus can survive outside the womb and there is no medical threat to the mother or child...i dont think the fetus should be terminated.
I agree but I think that removing that choice would create a slippery slope.
I read somewhere last night, and I think it was a slightly dated source (2014) so I don't know if it has changed in the past 2 years, that there are only 4 physicians in this country who will perform a non-medically necessary late term abortion. Unless a woman lives near one of these 4 doctors, I'd imagine that she would have to have thought about this decision long and hard enough to take the time to travel and pay (because it's very expensive compared to an abortion performed earlier in the pregnancy). I find it hard to believe that a woman 25, 30, 35 weeks pregnant would be able to decide on a whim to have a non-medically necessary abortion. That's my assumption anyway.
totally agree about the slippery slope. just saying about my feelings. so people don't think pro-choice people are animals.
I have the same feelings but wanted to say why I wouldn't be ok with removing the choice 
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by FTM427
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by NervousNell
Not for anything but I wouldn't want to live in a country where I didn't have the right to a safe, legal abortion if I so chose.
Before it was legal, abortion still existed in this country. You will never get rid of it no matter what. It was just done illegally and unsafely
Completely agree. And to force a woman to carry an already deceased fetus to term because it's too late? Cruel.
If the fetus is dead, that wouldn't be considered abortion though right? That would just be a D&C. Isn't abortion defined as terminating a pregnancy (as in a living fetus)?
I think someone cited a case in this thread where the fetus still had a heartbeat but was completely incompatible with life outside the womb.
And because of that the mother could not abort.
Yes this. And a woman in Texas was forced to carry a fetus until it died in the womb before they would remove it.
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Posted by ohbaby08
You can look online for Trump's list of potential judges and see what they believe about marriage equality. I think it is safe to assume that if he picks ultra-conservative judges, marriage equality has a good chance of going out the window.
I think so too- I'd say Roe V. Wade would go first, then gay marriage, which is not something that can be left to the states because as others have said, your marriage could be invalid if you needed to move. It needs to stay the law of the land.
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I'm saddened that pro-life people are against IVF and other methods. I can respect their views on things but it's just sad to me to be against a loving mother desperately wanting a child and believing she needs to accept her fate. :(
(No snark intended.)
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
Here is my concern with using viability as,an indicator: as technology and medicine advances viability can get earlier and earlier BUT with dire long term consequences for the child. Then you have a quality of life issue. My other concern is where does it stop? 20 weeks because the fetus is anatomically formed? 16 weeks because it looks like a baby? In a perfect world I would say termination limits make sense. In our world where people routinely look to limit and sever peoples' rights I say no. Again, do I think it's a good thing? No. A necessary evil though.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
I read along this thread, some are pro-life but ok with abortion in the case of rape or incest. That's not murder? If a life is a life, does that fetus' life not matter because of how it came to be?
You can't advocate for one fetus and not another just because of how it got there. Through a one night fling or a life altering horrific moment.
I also know of 2 people (one is family member) who use abortion as BC. THAT sickens me. Grown women no less. Not 15, uneducated and I know everything girls.
Professional women. Who now have kids.
Wanted to add that my health insurance covers abortion (up to 1 per calendar year) but has 0 coverage for IF.
which tells me the laws are kinda skewed and may need tweaking But in no way should we go backwards
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I'm saddened that pro-life people are against IVF and other methods. I can respect their views on things but it's just sad to me to be against a loving mother desperately wanting a child and believing she needs to accept her fate. :(
(No snark intended.)
Agreed
I respect peoples opinions. Whatever they may be. UNTIL their opinion somehow controls other peoples lives. That's Bullying X 1million
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by BaseballWidow
Posted by Jbone88
I will preface this with the fact that I am pro-choice, but I would like the opinions of some of you who are obviously very passionate on the subject. I do wrestle with post-viability abortions (or late term). I have researched the subject (After Tiller is an amazing documentary) and fully support the women who have to make the awful choice to undergo the procedure for their own health or because their child is incompatible with life outside the womb....... however, i'm not naive to the fact that there are health care practitioners that take advantage in the states (i believe there are 9 of them) where there is no gestational limit. The kermit case is absolutely haunting.....
If you are pro-choice, do you think there should be a viability limit (with exceptions) or do you think it should be unlimited?
Here is my concern with using viability as,an indicator: as technology and medicine advances viability can get earlier and earlier BUT with dire long term consequences for the child. Then you have a quality of life issue. My other concern is where does it stop? 20 weeks because the fetus is anatomically formed? 16 weeks because it looks like a baby? In a perfect world I would say termination limits make sense. In our world where people routinely look to limit and sever peoples' rights I say no. Again, do I think it's a good thing? No. A necessary evil though.
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Re: Final Presidential Debate
Posted by JP826
Posted by Goobster
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by BaseballWidow
Posted by Goobster
Posted by MrsProfessor
And no one is "pro-abortion"- I have never met anyone who thinks it's a good thing. It's about whether or not you get to make a decision about your body, or a government (which is still run mostly by old white men.)
Never? I have met people who have had multiple abortions. It's a piece of cake for them, a way instead of USING birth control. Plenty of people think it's nothing at all, so yeah, a good thing they can do after the fact of being very careless (again for those who have had multiple abortions and not yet learned to use BIRTH CONTROL).
And do you want those women to be parents???
Or trust they can keep the fetus healthy or safe for 9 months?
Again, this is where personal opinions come into play. Would I rather babies be killed because their biological mothers may not be able to keep them safe in utero?
There are plenty of women who get pregnant, disregard all safety concerns for their fetus and still have healthy babies. There are plenty of women who use drugs and abuse their bodies, and the babies they create may pay a price. But someone out there would love to love them. Happens every day. I know 2 people personally who adopted babies whose mothers were on crack, and they might have some delays or issues, but they are in very well loved families and very happy children.
THIS.
Without going into detail, I have an absolutely beautiful nephew because the birth mother did not decide to abort her child.
Funny how Hillary is worried about toddlers killing each other with their parents loaded handguns, but have zero regard for a 9 month old fetus being sucked out of a womans stomach.
Sickening & horrifying.
I honestly stayed as quiet as possible and steered away from these political, clearly one sided Pro-Hillary cheer fests on this site day in & day out.
BUT,
I cannot support ANYONE who can support partial birth abortions.
I am not saying that Trump is a saint by any means, but as a WOMAN voter, a devoted catholic, and a republican, this goes against my beliefs.
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