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I'm all for free speech, but this is just crazy...



Justices Rule for Protesters at Military Funerals
By ADAM LIPTAK

WASHINGTON — The First Amendment protects hateful protests at military funerals, the Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday in an 8-1 decision.

“Speech is powerful,” Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. “It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and — as it did here — inflict great pain.”

But under the First Amendment, he went on, “we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker.” Instead, the national commitment to free speech, he said, requires protection of “even hurtful speech on public issues to ensure that we do not stifle public debate.”

The case arose from a protest at the funeral of a Marine who had died in Iraq, Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder. As they had at hundreds of other funerals, members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., appeared with signs bearing messages like “America is Doomed” and “God Hates Fags.”

The church contends that God is punishing the United States for its tolerance of homosexuality.

The father of the fallen Marine, Albert Snyder, sued the protesters for, among other things, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and won a substantial jury award that was later overturned by an appeals court.

Chief Justice Roberts wrote in the ruling that three factors required a ruling in favor of the church group. First, he said, its speech was on matters of public concern. While the messages on the signs carried by its members “may fall short of refined commentary,” the chief justice wrote, “the issues they highlight — the political and moral conduct of the United States and its citizens, the fate of our nation, homosexuality in the military and scandals involving the Catholic clergy — are matters of public import.”

Second, he wrote, the relationship between the church and the Snyders was not a private grudge.

Third, the members of the church “had the right to be where they were.” They were picketing on a public street 1,000 feet from the site of the funeral, they complied with the law and with instructions from the police, and they protested quietly and without violence.

Chief Justice Roberts suggested that the proper response to hurtful protests are general laws creating buffer zones around funerals and the like, rather than empowering of juries to punish unpopular speech.

The opinion acknowledged that “Westboro’s choice added to Mr. Snyder’s already incalculable grief” and emphasized that the ruling was narrow and limited to the kinds of protests staged by the church.

Justice Stephen G. Breyer joined the majority opinion but wrote separately to say that other sorts of speech, including television broadcasts and Internet postings, might warrant different treatment.

The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press and 21 news organizations, including The New York Times Company, filed a brief supporting the church.

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. dissented in the case, Snyder v. Phelps, No. 09-751. He likened the protest to fighting words, which are not protected by the First Amendment.

“In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated,” he wrote, “it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims.”

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I don't get how any supposedly Christian group would think that protesting at funerals and inflicting emotional pain on grieving family could ever be the "Christian" way.

I get the protection of free speech, but why would anyone want to invoke it in this way, I just don't understand.

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Im all for free speech but this is out of control. I heard the woman Shirley Ropes Felter (I think that's her name) on the radio and she is no better than any white supremacist group out there. Her church only promotes hate and she is teaching children to hate.

This country is so f-ed up because this woman and her "church" can say the most hateful and disgusting things yet God forbid a TV show or a stand-up comedian says something off colored about someone or an ethnic group and the whole country is calling for their firing....

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I defend the right to free speech.

I do think, however, there is a special place in hell for people who exercise that right in this way.

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is this not the beginnings of TERRORISM!?!?

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You know what, I expected this to really bother me, but I have to assume that people who believe this are CRAZY so I just can't hate them the way I should.

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Honestly, if they don't like America and America's policies, they can just move somewhere else. Like Afghanistan or Iraq.
Let's see then how free speech works for them there.

I can't stand America bashers who STILL LIVE HERE.

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that is disgusting.

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Posted by dpli

I defend the right to free speech.

I do think, however, there is a special place in hell for people who exercise that right in this way.

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wow...that is just cruel and hurtful. I don't care that they are protesting....even though i think that there message is disgusting. What bothers me is that they did this at a Funeral. This behavior makes them no better than terriosts.

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Sounds like some crazy radicals vs some Christian group believing in the same bible I read.

I don't think there are any words for these protests. Those people are just insane in my eyes. This is beyond any rational protest.

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I was not a big fan of Roberts when he was appointed, but I think his response was perfect.


I do agree that I cannot believe that some people think that this is an appropriate use of the first amendment!

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What saddens me most is to see children holding these signs.

For them to grow up being brainwashed by such intolerance and hate when they are too young to make up their own minds about heated topics yet, wow that just kills me.

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omg that is aweful!!!! especially if it's at a funeral and the family and friends are trying to mourn.
like others said, how on earth is THIS Christian at all?!?!?!

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Posted by dpli

I defend the right to free speech.

I do think, however, there is a special place in hell for people who exercise that right in this way.

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