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Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

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Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

New taxes, cuts in budget plan
Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care

By JAMES M. ODATO, Capitol bureau
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First published: Sunday, December 14, 2008

New taxes, deep cuts to education and health care, and a restructuring of the state's economic development programs will be hallmarks of Gov. David Paterson's first budget plan to be released in two days, according to interviews of people briefed on components.
The plan will come with a host of revenue raisers — increased taxes on hospitals and insurance policies, for instance — and at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million. The governor also is contemplating requiring new license plates to raise cash, reviving sales tax on clothing purchases, removing the tax cap on gasoline and threatening to require Indian retailers to collect taxes on sales to non-Indians by signing into law a bill passed earlier this year by the Legislature.

Paterson will unveil the spending plan, aimed at closing a $12.5 billion deficit for next year, on Tuesday. The total size of the Paterson budget is unknown.

There is no word on Paterson's plans for the state work force, although he has said he will adhere to a strict hiring freeze while looking to consolidate some components of government.

The cuts will be across the board and will build upon a deficit reduction plan Paterson proposed in November as he attempted to close the $1.5 billion shortfall in the $120 billion budget negotiated for this year. The plan was inherited from the executive budget introduced last January by Gov. Eliot Spitzer.

The health industry will be particularly upset, although Paterson's cuts will raise blood pressure throughout. He will call for about $3.53 billion in health care cuts, not including federal share of matching Medicaid dollars, which could be another $2 billion in cuts.

The biggest hits will be to insurance companies, which will be asked to come up with about $855 million in extra assessments. Those amount to more taxes on health insurance plans, increased sales tax on hospital discharges and more shifting of general fund costs to the Insurance Department so that insurance companies pay for programs such as Timothy's Law, the mandated coverage of mental health treatments.

Further, the governor also will propose a new tax on some physician services to raise $50 million.

The bottom line will be a net increase in costs that ultimately get paid by subscribers, thereby increasing the cost of coverage at a time that most upstate insurers are struggling.

Hospital cost saving initiatives will amount to $700 million next year and $50 million this year. Some of that will come from a 0.7 percent tax on gross receipts and Medicaid rate reductions. Graduate medical education funds will be redirected to save $141 million and another $23 million will be cut through reforming reimbursement.

Nursing homes will be cut by $4.2 million this year and $420 million next year. Home care will be cut $190 million next year.

A number of other public health programs will come with savings by, for instance, taxing non-diet sodas under an "obesity tax" that will raise $404 million. Prescription drug costs, a hit on pharmacies and drug makers, will cut by $111 million.

Among the reductions in education spending, public colleges will be directed to raise tuitions. But despite the cuts, Paterson will try to make it easier for SUNY schools to partner with private developers who want to build on campus property. The public/private initiative is seen as a way to stimulate construction of private housing for campus residents.

The Empire Zone program will be cut by at least 50 percent, saving the state tens of millions by not extending benefits as liberally.

The budget will come a day after Senate Republicans vote on a bill to stimulate the economy by phasing out the Empire Zone program through 2011 and using the savings as tax breaks for companies.

The governor has contemplated instituting a different pension system for new employees, but the so-called Tier 5 program may not make it to the budget. He is also expected to reiterate a call for greater health care payments from retirees and the closure of some juvenile detention facilities.

James M. Odato can be reached at 454-5083 or by e-mail at [email protected].

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an excerpt from an article from forbes.com
Paterson's proposal would also reportedly lift the limit on how much state tax can be charged for gasoline. The state's tax was limited to 8 cents per gallon. A new state tax could be tied to the price of gas, allowing state revenues to rise with the price of gas.
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Posted 12/15/08 1:44 PM
 
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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care

Posted by evnme
at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million.



This is stupid. Anyone with PKU cannot drink diet coke.

Tax all sodas, fine. Non-diet sodas? nope.

Posted 12/15/08 1:59 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care

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Posted by evnme
at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million.



This is stupid. Anyone with PKU cannot drink diet coke.

Tax all sodas, fine. Non-diet sodas? nope.



I agree.

and for that matter, Hawaiian Punch and any other "juice drink" should be taxed as well.

Posted 12/15/08 2:01 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

no more comments on this?
i'm shocked....

Posted 12/15/08 10:39 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

I honestly don;t disagree with taxing soda- as far as the PKU argument- it doesnt hold anymore as may sodas are now made with Splenda, PKU is like less than 1% of the population and no one needs soda anway.

I wouldnt have a problem with taxing ALL non nutritive drinks- basically anything but milk and 100% fruit juice. Also, chips, etc.

I'd rather pay taxes on things that are total non neccesities instead of seeing cuts to education/ healthcare.

Posted 12/15/08 10:53 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by nrthshgrl

Posted by evnme
at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million.



This is stupid. Anyone with PKU cannot drink diet coke.

Tax all sodas, fine. Non-diet sodas? nope.



it's not like diet coke is actually good for you- it should be all soda's if any

Posted 12/15/08 10:53 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by jax1023

I honestly don;t disagree with taxing soda- as far as the PKU argument- it doesnt hold anymore as may sodas are now made with Splenda, PKU is like less than 1% of the population and no one needs soda anway.

I wouldnt have a problem with taxing ALL non nutritive drinks- basically anything but milk and 100% fruit juice. Also, chips, etc.

I'd rather pay taxes on things that are total non neccesities instead of seeing cuts to education/ healthcare.



ITA

Posted 12/15/08 10:54 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

I don't drink soda so I'm not defending, but why does all the taxes have to fall on our shoulders? He also wanted to reinstate the state sales tax on clothes. Pretty soon everything we use will be taxed on op of the taxes that come out of our pay checks.

why can't they down size. they always say they are but do they?

Posted 12/16/08 6:51 AM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

tax soda, who cares? Thats the least insulting thing in this article. Whats happening to healthcare is maddening. real services that real people need are being effected. And all those cuts to nursing homes? Guess what, our population is aging and we will soon have more people needing nursing homes.

This is very scrayChat Icon

Posted 12/16/08 8:23 AM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Basically his entire plan means I'll be doing my shopping for clothes in NJ, my soda/beer in NJ, etc. He'll also be taxing me out of my home and my car. Time to consider relocating.

Posted 12/16/08 12:34 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Take away the tax cap on gas, is he serious???? We pay an unbelieveable amount already and the high cost of fuel a few months ago played a part in our economic downfall. What's his plan? Make everyone move?

Oh, and make students have more debt or make an education un-reachable...good job.

Posted 12/16/08 12:48 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by LittleBlueBug

Take away the tax cap on gas, is he serious???? We pay an unbelieveable amount already and the high cost of fuel a few months ago played a part in our economic downfall. What's his plan? Make everyone move?

Oh, and make students have more debt or make an education un-reachable...good job.



That's what I'm thinking...if I lose STAR, I lose my house. That's it, game over. With the rising cost of EVERYTHING, I'll be reduced to mac & cheese and water every night. This f'ing suXX!!!

Posted 12/16/08 1:00 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Is he getting rid of the star rebate we get in october or the actual star program?

Posted 12/16/08 1:03 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by Ambersmom

Posted by LittleBlueBug

Take away the tax cap on gas, is he serious???? We pay an unbelieveable amount already and the high cost of fuel a few months ago played a part in our economic downfall. What's his plan? Make everyone move?

Oh, and make students have more debt or make an education un-reachable...good job.



That's what I'm thinking...if I lose STAR, I lose my house. That's it, game over. With the rising cost of EVERYTHING, I'll be reduced to mac & cheese and water every night. This f'ing suXX!!!



I think a bunch of people would lose their house too! Taxes here are outrageous! Wouldn't this just cause further hurt to the real estate market?

It's getting to the point that people just can't cut back anymore. Chat Icon It's very depressing. I know the country is in crisis, but we are really getting squeezed dry. Hello? A growing percentage of the population are losing their jobs...the tax payers don't HAVE the money. Talk about trying to get blood from a stone???Chat Icon

I hope you guys won't lose your homeChat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 12/16/08 1:04 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

I found the answer (Ambersmom!)-

"Paterson would also eliminate a STAR rebate tax program started in 2006 in which homeowners would receive a check each fall to help offset the state’s high property taxes. Paterson would still keep the larger STAR rebate program intact; that program provides tax relief off of homeowner’s property tax bills."

The ACTUAL Star program will NOT be cut
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the additional check (I got $500? last time) we get in october is being stopped. As much as I like getting that check, id rather lose that than the star tax reduction on my house.

Posted 12/16/08 1:08 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

That sux. I already started going to NJ for most of my purchases/gas since it's like 10 min from my house. Gas is $1.53 there...a few blocks from me it's $2.39. Groceries are cheaper, etc. Now I will go to NJ aaaaaaaaaall the time.

Posted 12/16/08 1:31 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

I hate diet sodaChat Icon

Posted 12/16/08 4:18 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by Meaghan729

I found the answer (Ambersmom!)-

"Paterson would also eliminate a STAR rebate tax program started in 2006 in which homeowners would receive a check each fall to help offset the state’s high property taxes. Paterson would still keep the larger STAR rebate program intact; that program provides tax relief off of homeowner’s property tax bills."

The ACTUAL Star program will NOT be cut
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the additional check (I got $500? last time) we get in october is being stopped. As much as I like getting that check, id rather lose that than the star tax reduction on my house.



Thanks! I still told John we're going to make regular trips to his parents to go for bulk groceries, gas, clothes. Screw you, Paterson. NY will not steal the last dime from my wallet!

Posted 12/16/08 4:32 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

This is dumb....yeah, let's tax all non-diet drinks, even though diet drinks are just as bad for you if not worse (my own opinion).

Why not tax cigarettes-those worse for you and those around you(sorry to all smokers).

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Posted 12/16/08 4:34 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by nrthshgrl

Posted by evnme
at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million.



This is stupid. Anyone with PKU cannot drink diet coke.

Tax all sodas, fine. Non-diet sodas? nope.



Honestly, I find that most people with weight issues drink DIET soda. In fact, they have done studies regarding this. Strange tax if you ask me.Chat Icon

Posted 12/16/08 4:50 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Posted by CkGm

Posted by nrthshgrl

Posted by evnme
at least one new assessment, a so-called obesity tax on non-diet soda to raise $404 million.



This is stupid. Anyone with PKU cannot drink diet coke.

Tax all sodas, fine. Non-diet sodas? nope.



Honestly, I find that most people with weight issues drink DIET soda. In fact, they have done studies regarding this. Strange tax if you ask me.Chat Icon



Diet soda has aspertame in it, which is processed in your body like famaldyhide (sp?). The reason why more people who are over-weight drink may be because there is a false sense of security in the word "diet", so people tend to drink more of it. It still has calories and a terrible chemical that is not good for you and can trigger migraines.

ETA: and forget about high fructose corn syrup...oh wait, that's good for you now, isn't it? That's a dumb a$$ commercial...anyway...

Message edited 12/16/2008 7:12:17 PM.

Posted 12/16/08 7:10 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

the more I hear about his ideas, the angrier I get. I really want out of NY b/c I'm sorry his ideas are assine!

Posted 12/16/08 7:27 PM
 

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Re: Paterson sees $404M tax on non-diet soda; higher levies on health care, and lift tax limit on gasoline

Makes me wish i lived closer to Jersey!!!!

Posted 12/16/08 11:45 PM
 
 
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