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Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
****Disclaimer***** I totally agree with what everyone is going to say about this situation and we have actually gotten in a fight over it, but that isn't my main question.
My friend lived in one town with her mother, and in September bought a house in a neighboring town.
She did not switch her kids to the new town's schools. Now they have gotten a letter saying they are no longer allowed to go to the original school (rightfully so).
She went to register them for the new school but was told it takes a few days, the other school won't let them go there. Is this illegal (I don't think so, but I don't know, so I am asking)
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Mara1017
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Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Under the revised regulations. The new school has to enroll the children by the next day and then the school has 3 days to make a determination about residency.
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It is not illegal for the school district that she does not reside to not allow the child to remain in the school. The school is not required to educate non residents
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by Mara1017
It is not illegal for the school district that she does not reside to not allow the child to remain in the school. The school is not required to educate non residents
Thank you!!
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Aries14
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Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
just curious - how did the school find out they no longer lived in the district? My sister in laws best friend plans to do this (even though we all keep telling her its illegal and not a good idea!) but she seems to think no one will ever know or find out..
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by Aries14
just curious - how did the school find out they no longer lived in the district? My sister in laws best friend plans to do this (even though we all keep telling her its illegal and not a good idea!) but she seems to think no one will ever know or find out..
We know someone like this too. They bought a house on a not so good district and plan to use her mom's house to establish residency. I'm like someone is going to tell and you will be screwed. She's like we will be fine. No one tells.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by WannaBeAMom11
Posted by Aries14
just curious - how did the school find out they no longer lived in the district? My sister in laws best friend plans to do this (even though we all keep telling her its illegal and not a good idea!) but she seems to think no one will ever know or find out..
We know someone like this too. They bought a house on a not so good district and plan to use her mom's house to establish residency. I'm like someone is going to tell and you will be screwed. She's like we will be fine. No one tells.
We think that the older child (3rd grade) told the school psychologist where he lives. Basically, you have to teach your kids to lie
They are giving her a hearing as a formality, but they kicked them out and can sue her for back tuition.
I wouldn't recommend doing it at all. They were doing the same thing, using her mom's address (and the family has very strong connections to this district) and the school sent her a letter 12/23 and that was that.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Sending your child to a school that you are not zoned for is definitely illegal (even if you are using a family member's address).
Schools find out in various ways. I found out one of my students lived in a different district because I saw her walking to school (consistently) from an area that was not zoned for our district. I've also had a few students tell me where they live and they do not live in the district. I had a few students at my old school on LI confess to me that they lived in Brooklyn and would take the bus every morning at 5 am to go to school where I taught - they used their grandparents' address...
To me this is a HUGE issue. It causes class sizes to increase and taxes to go up.
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I know a family that this has happened to. A girl and her friend got into an argument. Girl told the school principal that so and so didn't live in the district. (they were using the grandmothers address for residency) School investigated and then ended up kicking the girl out of the school. They had to move to the actual district to be reinstated back into the school.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by PitterPatter11
Sending your child to a school that you are not zoned for is definitely illegal (even if you are using a family member's address).
Schools find out in various ways. I found out one of my students lived in a different district because I saw her walking to school (consistently) from an area that was not zoned for our district. I've also had a few students tell me where they live and they do not live in the district. I had a few students at my old school on LI confess to me that they lived in Brooklyn and would take the bus every morning at 5 am to go to school where I taught - they used their grandparents' address...
To me this is a HUGE issue. It causes class sizes to increase and taxes to go up.
Yes this is infuriating! People pay taxes to live in the district and use the schools. And you think you can not pay taxes and send your kids their for free? They should totally be fined.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by PitterPatter11
Sending your child to a school that you are not zoned for is definitely illegal (even if you are using a family member's address).
Schools find out in various ways. I found out one of my students lived in a different district because I saw her walking to school (consistently) from an area that was not zoned for our district. I've also had a few students tell me where they live and they do not live in the district. I had a few students at my old school on LI confess to me that they lived in Brooklyn and would take the bus every morning at 5 am to go to school where I taught - they used their grandparents' address...
To me this is a HUGE issue. It causes class sizes to increase and taxes to go up.
Yes this is infuriating! People pay taxes to live in the district and use the schools. And you think you can not pay taxes and send your kids their for free? They should totally be fined.
but on the flip side isn't the person who has no kids still paying school taxes when they even though they have no benefit for it why should they even have to pay school taxes than. if they are paying why not let their grandkids, nieces etc use the school that they have to pay for anyway though they don't send anyone there?
now if they are using an address where someone in that house is already attending school I may then see the point you guys are making
FTR I am not saying who is right and who is wrong i am just thinking about it from another way
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Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by PitterPatter11
Sending your child to a school that you are not zoned for is definitely illegal (even if you are using a family member's address).
Schools find out in various ways. I found out one of my students lived in a different district because I saw her walking to school (consistently) from an area that was not zoned for our district. I've also had a few students tell me where they live and they do not live in the district. I had a few students at my old school on LI confess to me that they lived in Brooklyn and would take the bus every morning at 5 am to go to school where I taught - they used their grandparents' address...
To me this is a HUGE issue. It causes class sizes to increase and taxes to go up.
Yes this is infuriating! People pay taxes to live in the district and use the schools. And you think you can not pay taxes and send your kids their for free? They should totally be fined.
but on the flip side isn't the person who has no kids still paying school taxes when they even though they have no benefit for it why should they even have to pay school taxes than. if they are paying why not let their grandkids, nieces etc use the school that they have to pay for anyway though they don't send anyone there?
now if they are using an address where someone in that house is already attending school I may then see the point you guys are making
FTR I am not saying who is right and who is wrong i am just thinking about it from another way
I have to agree with this. I always found it annoying that my parents had to pay taxes for our district's public school even though they sent me and my 2 sisters out of town to a private one. So in a way I can totally see this side of things. Why not let them go to school there if they do have a family member already paying taxes who do not have children? But on the other hand, I can see why you need to stick with your own district too. I don't really see either side being completely right or completely wrong. I wonder if it's only illegal in NY. My SIL in Colorado decided to send her daughter to a neighboring town's high school just because it's better and the bus just dropped her off at her grandma's house. I also have friends there in CO who send their kids out of town (with no relatives in the area) and they just have to be on a waiting list, as local residents have first come. But it's never frowned on to try and get your kids where you want them. It seems just as long as it's within the county. So I'm thinking this is only the rule in some areas of the country.
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Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
I don't think it's complicated at all. It's illegal and she got found out.
I had a family that did this in my town growing up who got found out. You really have to slip under the radar, or you'll be told on very quickly.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by Garden-of-Eden
I have to agree with this. I always found it annoying that my parents had to pay taxes for our district's public school even though they sent me and my 2 sisters out of town to a private one. So in a way I can totally see this side of things. Why not let them go to school there if they do have a family member already paying taxes who do not have children? But on the other hand, I can see why you need to stick with your own district too. I don't really see either side being completely right or completely wrong. I wonder if it's only illegal in NY. My SIL in Colorado decided to send her daughter to a neighboring town's high school just because it's better and the bus just dropped her off at her grandma's house. I also have friends there in CO who send their kids out of town (with no relatives in the area) and they just have to be on a waiting list, as local residents have first come. But it's never frowned on to try and get your kids where you want them. It seems just as long as it's within the county. So I'm thinking this is only the rule in some areas of the country.
To some degree.. but it never stops just at that point. We moved to this area to go to a good school. I pay ridiculous taxes. We don't have a state tax, instead we have property taxes! LOL. A large portion of that is for schools. Still, kids sneak in from other areas via borrowed addresses. Yes the funds are the same but the head count isn't right. They take census and the children for the areas don't add up to the kids in the seats. In our area we can't build schools fast enough. They build them four at a time and fill them before they are finished. Literally still painting some while kids are in class during the week, they paint on weekends. It's crazy. More and more are moving here. More and more here are moving to my area. Then you have the 20 to a household which is insane. No way you have 5 kids in a 3 bedroom house with a 3rd room being 10x10 and the 2nd room is 11x10. The numbers don't make sense. You must be lying. Our property values are too high and rent is too high for that.
Look I get it. I grew up on the 'other side' but we never lied. I qualified (but declined) to go to a magnet school for health professionals (medical fields), we have science, tech, medical and other types of magnet high schools, free for middle and high school kids. That doesn't include all the K-12 charter schools that are free as well as public schools. Just no need for all the shuffling. But it still happens. All be it less than years before. Now it's a cut throat for the lottery on the Charter schools.
My coworker is one of those who did it for years. Said they'd be dropped off at their grand mothers every morning, take the bus from there to school, drop off and do homework there, then go home for dinner every night.
If the schools in general were more equal in ability and resources, I don't think this would be as big of an issue.
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Posted by Katareen
I don't think it's complicated at all. It's illegal and she got found out.
I had a family that did this in my town growing up who got found out. You really have to slip under the radar, or you'll be told on very quickly.
No, that wasn't the complicated part, it was whether they could keep them from going to school
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She should have to apply to the new district, you have to go in with the deed or rental agreement and a utility bill. As for being found out, she did something illegal and is demonstrating bad morals for her kids.
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It's silly to be deceitful
because schools are generally VERY understanding. They don't want to disrupt the kids .. Especially if there are certain circumstances where the child's life is already being disrupted (moving due to divorce, death or illness of parent, etc)
I moved towards the end of the school year. I was honest. I told our current school and requested my child ride out the year. They approved my request but said I would have to drive my child. No problem.
I believe in doing things the right way.
If you're caught, you can be fined up the ass.
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
It's silly to be deceitful
because schools are generally VERY understanding. They don't want to disrupt the kids .. Especially if there are certain circumstances where the child's life is already being disrupted (moving due to divorce, death or illness of parent, etc)
I moved towards the end of the school year. I was honest. I told our current school and requested my child ride out the year. They approved my request but said I would have to drive my child. No problem.
I believe in doing things the right way.
If you're caught, you can be fined up the ass.
This is my sister's situation (she lives in another state though). Her kids still attend her old district. She was homeless for almost a year, sleeping at a lot of places in other towns, so they legally could attend based on their "homeless" status, then she found a home in a new district. The old district was very nice, and said her kids can finish out the year where they are.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Completely disagree. Home values are also affected by school districts. Even if grandparents aren't using schools, their home is worth a lot more because of those schools. Investing in those schools is an investment in their property value.
It's impossible for working families to pay the full cost of schools just during school years. You need everyone to contribute and essentially spread the cost over a longer period. Of course people can move but generally this is how it works. Crowd funding, kinda like insurance - we all pay regardless of actual usage.
Think about it. Could you really afford I dunno 30/40/50k taxes while your kids were in school?
Look around Long Island. There are similar homes to mine maybe 5 miles away in a "bad" school district that would sell for less than half of mine. I'm not naming names, not starting drama just making a point.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
It's silly to be deceitful
because schools are generally VERY understanding. They don't want to disrupt the kids .. Especially if there are certain circumstances where the child's life is already being disrupted (moving due to divorce, death or illness of parent, etc)
I moved towards the end of the school year. I was honest. I told our current school and requested my child ride out the year. They approved my request but said I would have to drive my child. No problem.
I believe in doing things the right way.
If you're caught, you can be fined up the ass.
This is my sister's situation (she lives in another state though). Her kids still attend her old district. She was homeless for almost a year, sleeping at a lot of places in other towns, so they legally could attend based on their "homeless" status, then she found a home in a new district. The old district was very nice, and said her kids can finish out the year where they are.
The school wasn't being nice. The law requires the school district to allow the child to remain in the school for the entire year that they became permanently housed
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Posted by queensgal
Completely disagree. Home values are also affected by school districts. Even if grandparents aren't using schools, their home is worth a lot more because of those schools. Investing in those schools is an investment in their property value.
It's impossible for working families to pay the full cost of schools just during school years. You need everyone to contribute and essentially spread the cost over a longer period. Of course people can move but generally this is how it works. Crowd funding, kinda like insurance - we all pay regardless of actual usage.
Think about it. Could you really afford I dunno 30/40/50k taxes while your kids were in school?
Look around Long Island. There are similar homes to mine maybe 5 miles away in a "bad" school district that would sell for less than half of mine. I'm not naming names, not starting drama just making a point.
I agree with this. I do not have my own kids (2 stepsons) and have always felt that no matter where I live, I want the school budget to pass and the school district as a whole to do well because it will keep property values up. Are taxes all over LI crazy - yes. But if only those with kids in school had to pay to keep them running, it would affect all of us and not necessarily in a good way.
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Posted by queensgal
Completely disagree. Home values are also affected by school districts. Even if grandparents aren't using schools, their home is worth a lot more because of those schools. Investing in those schools is an investment in their property value.
It's impossible for working families to pay the full cost of schools just during school years. You need everyone to contribute and essentially spread the cost over a longer period. Of course people can move but generally this is how it works. Crowd funding, kinda like insurance - we all pay regardless of actual usage.
Think about it. Could you really afford I dunno 30/40/50k taxes while your kids were in school?
Look around Long Island. There are similar homes to mine maybe 5 miles away in a "bad" school district that would sell for less than half of mine. I'm not naming names, not starting drama just making a point.
And that was my point.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by Mara1017
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
It's silly to be deceitful
because schools are generally VERY understanding. They don't want to disrupt the kids .. Especially if there are certain circumstances where the child's life is already being disrupted (moving due to divorce, death or illness of parent, etc)
I moved towards the end of the school year. I was honest. I told our current school and requested my child ride out the year. They approved my request but said I would have to drive my child. No problem.
I believe in doing things the right way.
If you're caught, you can be fined up the ass.
This is my sister's situation (she lives in another state though). Her kids still attend her old district. She was homeless for almost a year, sleeping at a lot of places in other towns, so they legally could attend based on their "homeless" status, then she found a home in a new district. The old district was very nice, and said her kids can finish out the year where they are.
The school wasn't being nice. The law requires the school district to allow the child to remain in the school for the entire year that they became permanently housed
Oh really? They said they would allow it for them, but legally they should attend the school in the new district. Maybe they were confused with homeless status vs. just moving to another residence status. Who knows! She doesn't live in NY though.
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Re: Asking for a friend, very complicated school situation
Posted by Aries14
just curious - how did the school find out they no longer lived in the district? My sister in laws best friend plans to do this (even though we all keep telling her its illegal and not a good idea!) but she seems to think no one will ever know or find out..
In out school the shiit hit the fan for a couple people when the kindergarten got full and some people that legitimately live in the district were denied seats when other people got seats that did not live in the district. A couple of these kids had older siblings and it was known they lived elsewhere. No one cared until it jeopardized their own kids' seats.
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Schools usually find out from the kids telling the teacher that they moved or calls from neighbors saying that they see the kid getting dropped off at grandma or grandpas house every day.
Once they get information they usually conduct surveillance on the family
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