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LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
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It is UNBELIEVABLE that people say “oh nobody is FORCING you to do anything, if you don’t want to get the shot, just quit your job and you and your family can starve and be homeless.” What? That is NOT a choice. Brainwashing at its finest.
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It is UNBELIEVABLE that people say “oh nobody is FORCING you to do anything, if you don’t want to get the shot, just quit your job and you and your family can starve and be homeless.” What? That is NOT a choice. Brainwashing at its finest.
It is absolutely coercion and should honestly be illegal .
And I don't want to hear well it's a pandemic and it's not just about you.
That argument went straight down the toilet when we found out these wonderful vaccines don't stop transmission.
These vaccines are absolutely just about you. They only protect you so there is no reason for it to be forced on anyone.
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LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
Exactly and do you think all these college students WANT this booster, let alone the other 2 shots they HAD to get, to get an education? They have no choice if they want to stay in NY and get an education to get a halfway decent job in life. It is sad. I truly hope these young kids don't have issues later in life because they were forced to get a shot for an education or to go to dinner or a movie with their parents.
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It is UNBELIEVABLE that people say “oh nobody is FORCING you to do anything, if you don’t want to get the shot, just quit your job and you and your family can starve and be homeless.” What? That is NOT a choice. Brainwashing at its finest.
I would love to know how these people can just get up and quit their jobs, especially in NY. Are people ONLY working for extra money as that must be nice but my taxes and bills go up every year and I don't know many people who are not working to pay their monthly bills and can walk away from a job that quickly and not be affected.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
I’m not arguing the fact that people are being told to get the vaccine to keep their job. That is a separate issue from what I’m talking about. The PP throws around “informed consent” without knowing what it means. Patients are provided with a printout of the risks, benefits, etc. It’s the law. If a patient is jabbed in the arm with a covid vaccine with no explanation, that particular healthcare provider should be reported, though I highly doubt this is a widespread problem.
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
I’m not arguing the fact that people are being told to get the vaccine to keep their job. That is a separate issue from what I’m talking about. The PP throws around “informed consent” without knowing what it means. Patients are provided with a printout of the risks, benefits, etc. It’s the law. If a patient is jabbed in the arm with a covid vaccine with no explanation, that particular healthcare provider should be reported, though I highly doubt this is a widespread problem.
Actually Joe Rogan's podcast he just had Dr. Robert Malone on (it's definitely worth listening to if you have the time) and he goes into the whole issue as to why people do not have informed consent in the case of this vaccine. He is an expert in this field and has recently been blocked from Twitter and Linked In for speaking about his beliefs even though he is not anti vax. But he does not believe people are being given the information needed for informed consent and that the studies being done on possible side effects are not being conducted properly. Like I said, if it's something you are interested in it's definitely worth listening to. It might help you understand why others are saying people can not really give informed consent with this particular vaccine.
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FirstMate
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
Exactly and do you think all these college students WANT this booster, let alone the other 2 shots they HAD to get, to get an education? They have no choice if they want to stay in NY and get an education to get a halfway decent job in life. It is sad. I truly hope these young kids don't have issues later in life because they were forced to get a shot for an education or to go to dinner or a movie with their parents.
It's not just NY public colleges. It's most colleges. My SD goes to a private university. Shes vaxxed and had Covid at some point and she still has to spit test weekly. Also, I was listening to her and her friends last week...even though parents are talking about the coercion, they don't see it that way. They all willingly (and in my SD's case without even discussing it with us) went and got vaxxed. My take away is that they would rather roll the dice with the vax than have their lives inhibited any more than they already have been. They are of the mindset that if you are not vaxxed, you are the gross loser. I heard one of her friends say it's equivalent to being the person with the Android. 
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FirstMate
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Re: Hochul just announced
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
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Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
Exactly and do you think all these college students WANT this booster, let alone the other 2 shots they HAD to get, to get an education? They have no choice if they want to stay in NY and get an education to get a halfway decent job in life. It is sad. I truly hope these young kids don't have issues later in life because they were forced to get a shot for an education or to go to dinner or a movie with their parents.
It's not just NY public colleges. It's most colleges. My SD goes to a private university. Shes vaxxed and had Covid at some point and she still has to spit test weekly. Also, I was listening to her and her friends last week...even though parents are talking about the coercion, they don't see it that way. They all willingly (and in my SD's case without even discussing it with us) went and got vaxxed. My take away is that they would rather roll the dice with the vax than have their lives inhibited any more than they already have been. They are of the mindset that if you are not vaxxed, you are the gross loser. I heard one of her friends say it's equivalent to being the person with the Android.
Mine didn't fight it either but I don't think they have been around long enough to realize that this could affect them in later life.
Sounds like a popularity contest as many feel they are in "the crowd" if they get vaccinated and/or get covid.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Hochul just announced
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I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
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Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
I’m not arguing the fact that people are being told to get the vaccine to keep their job. That is a separate issue from what I’m talking about. The PP throws around “informed consent” without knowing what it means. Patients are provided with a printout of the risks, benefits, etc. It’s the law. If a patient is jabbed in the arm with a covid vaccine with no explanation, that particular healthcare provider should be reported, though I highly doubt this is a widespread problem.
Actually Joe Rogan's podcast he just had Dr. Robert Malone on (it's definitely worth listening to if you have the time) and he goes into the whole issue as to why people do not have informed consent in the case of this vaccine. He is an expert in this field and has recently been blocked from Twitter and Linked In for speaking about his beliefs even though he is not anti vax. But he does not believe people are being given the information needed for informed consent and that the studies being done on possible side effects are not being conducted properly. Like I said, if it's something you are interested in it's definitely worth listening to. It might help you understand why others are saying people can not really give informed consent with this particular vaccine.
I doubt she or a good majority of people that believe in this vaccine will listen not even out of curiosity to what he has to say even though he’s a provaxer and inventor of the mRNA technology. Everyone’s credibility gets smeared if they ever decide to say anything against this vaccine.
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I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
It never happened to me. As a matter of fact I don’t know anyone that was told any possible risks or side effects when their kids were given vaccines, not one. I remember one time I even asked for the insert of whatever vaccine we were in the dr’s office for and she gave me the run around and saying I shouldn’t worry about anything because it’s safe, I left the office without it, I had to look for it online.
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
LuckyStar -
It's more than providers not informing the patients. The problem is that companies are being forced to mandate that the individual be vaccinated. That is coercion - lose your livelihood or get the vaccine. The same goes for the students - be deprived of an education or get the vaccine. The choice to do what you want with your own body no longer exists.
I know personally of over a dozen breakthrough infections. Everyone keeps saying, "it would have been worse if I wasn't vaccinated," but is that even true?
I’m not arguing the fact that people are being told to get the vaccine to keep their job. That is a separate issue from what I’m talking about. The PP throws around “informed consent” without knowing what it means. Patients are provided with a printout of the risks, benefits, etc. It’s the law. If a patient is jabbed in the arm with a covid vaccine with no explanation, that particular healthcare provider should be reported, though I highly doubt this is a widespread problem.
Actually Joe Rogan's podcast he just had Dr. Robert Malone on (it's definitely worth listening to if you have the time) and he goes into the whole issue as to why people do not have informed consent in the case of this vaccine. He is an expert in this field and has recently been blocked from Twitter and Linked In for speaking about his beliefs even though he is not anti vax. But he does not believe people are being given the information needed for informed consent and that the studies being done on possible side effects are not being conducted properly. Like I said, if it's something you are interested in it's definitely worth listening to. It might help you understand why others are saying people can not really give informed consent with this particular vaccine.
I doubt she or a good majority of people that believe in this vaccine will listen not even out of curiosity to what he has to say even though he’s a provaxer and inventor of the mRNA technology. Everyone’s credibility gets smeared if they ever decide to say anything against this vaccine.
It was an extremely eye opening podcast. I am not sure why someone who chooses to come and spew off facts about something they actually know very little about, wouldn't want to educate themselves.
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
Based on my many years of experience, I would say a virologist would generally know very little about the detailed level compliance related to informed consent. He would have been guided by whatever institution employed him.
I don’t care what anyone’s stance is on the vaccine so I’m not sure why you are attempting to be so combative. I just pointed out a complaint that seems to be grasping at straws to knock the vaccine. There are plenty of other issues with the vaccine. You don’t have to create issues for people to listen.
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NervousNell
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
This man will probably be thrown in jail or disappear if he doesn't watch himself.
I say that half joking, but the way things are going lately ONLY half joking.
Which is kind of scary when you think about it.
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
LOL This is LITERALLY the field she works in every day. And she witnessed the plaintiffs testifying to these facts.
But no, you are probably right.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
LOL This is LITERALLY the field she works in every day. And she witnessed the plaintiffs testifying to these facts.
But no, you are probably right.
What are you talking about? I said I find it hard to believe what the plaintiffs are saying is actually what happened. Not that I don’t believe the poster or that she’s wrong. I don’t think that at all.
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
LOL This is LITERALLY the field she works in every day. And she witnessed the plaintiffs testifying to these facts.
But no, you are probably right.
Just because someone testified to something doesn't make it a fact. Sworn testimony is incorrect or false all the time
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
LOL This is LITERALLY the field she works in every day. And she witnessed the plaintiffs testifying to these facts.
But no, you are probably right.
What are you talking about? I said I find it hard to believe what the plaintiffs are saying is actually what happened. Not that I don’t believe the poster or that she’s wrong. I don’t think that at all.
I apologize for misunderstanding.
The poster you quoted specifically said "When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem.".
Your response suggested you did not believe or agree with her. I'm glad to see that you do agree that true informed consent is not happening often.
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
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Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
Based on my many years of experience, I would say a virologist would generally know very little about the detailed level compliance related to informed consent. He would have been guided by whatever institution employed him.
I don’t care what anyone’s stance is on the vaccine so I’m not sure why you are attempting to be so combative. I just pointed out a complaint that seems to be grasping at straws to knock the vaccine. There are plenty of other issues with the vaccine. You don’t have to create issues for people to listen.
I don’t know what you do so I am not sure what your many years of experience are but I think it’s pretty safe to say you have no idea who I am talking about. Have you ever heard of Dr. Malone? I am not being combative at all but you are seeming to claim you would be more knowledgeable than he is so I am truly curious if you know anything about him.
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| Posted 1/3/22 2:24 PM |
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
This man will probably be thrown in jail or disappear if he doesn't watch himself.
I say that half joking, but the way things are going lately ONLY half joking.
Which is kind of scary when you think about it.
I think he will too which is so incredibly distressing.
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| Posted 1/3/22 2:25 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
This man will probably be thrown in jail or disappear if he doesn't watch himself.
I say that half joking, but the way things are going lately ONLY half joking.
Which is kind of scary when you think about it.
I think he will too which is so incredibly distressing.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
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| Posted 1/3/22 2:32 PM |
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lululu
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Re: Hochul just announced
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by FirstMate
I am enjoying this whole informed consent debate. I work in the medical legal field and this is always an issue but reading this here is hilarious.
When is the last time you received a true informed consent for any vaccination? Or medication? Probably never. Most of you are parents...did any pediatrician ever go over the risks, benefits and alternatives to T-Dap? Or Pevnar? Likely not. There are so many potential side effects of many common meds and I guarantee most doctors do not get into each and every potential problem. I have sat in numerous depositions where a plaintiff will say a surgeon did not have a conversation to inform them of ANY risks of their surgery. This is no different. It's just gravy to add to the controversy.
True informed consent is an explanation, asking if there are any questions and providing written literature to the patient. I’ve gotten this with any vaccine given to me or my DD. Again, if anyone here received a vaccine without explanation or written information, they should file a complaint.
There is a huge difference between a patient not being given the information and the patient not reading the information given to them. I find it very hard to believe any of these plaintiffs you hear were operated on without a signed consent.
True, informed consent is more than just receiving some literature. Like I said, you should listen to the podcast I mentioned as I am sure one of the leading virologists and creator of mRna technology himself probably knows more than you do.
This man will probably be thrown in jail or disappear if he doesn't watch himself.
I say that half joking, but the way things are going lately ONLY half joking.
Which is kind of scary when you think about it.
I think he will too which is so incredibly distressing.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
I think that’s why he has to be so vocal right now.
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