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curliegirl
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The captain and other posts got me thinking...
How long will it take for there to be a complete breakdown in humanity? We are already headed there of course....
It is obvious that we as a society have lost a major lack of respect, reverence for the elderly and the dead, that children are learning less and less, and we are headed for a major problem....
This is very worrysome, I guess moreso for myself now that I will be bringing a child into a world that I fear will have no order.....
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MegZee
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:08 PM |
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
You are right in a sense, but 30 years ago daily life was different too, there was more respect for elders, for your neighbor, etc. I think the fact that we as a society keep allowing history to repeat itself, coupled with the feeling of hopelessness and of "me-ism" sets the stage for a horrible downward spiral.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:13 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
I don't worry about what I can't control. I just do the best to affect those around me. If I bring my daughter up to be respectful and mindful of the world around her, then I've done well. I also don't think it's true that children are learning less and less. I teach them everyday and make sure I expose them to as much as I can and encourage them to be respectful and unselfish. I have great faith in them.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:13 PM |
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MrsMerlot
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
I agree completely. I seriously do not think we're heading towards a breakdown in humanity.
I think the region where we are living had to do with this statement. It doesn't necessarily mean that other people in other cities, states, countries, etc. have a complete disregards for the human race.
I think we are actually getting BETTER as a society, and caring more about each other - physically and MENTALLY.
Yes, we're turning into a very PC world that some (even many) do not agree with. But I personally think it's a step towards including everyone as a human race as a whole, rather than as individuals, divided by religion, race, etc.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:14 PM |
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curliegirl
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
While I agree on some points, I have to disagre on others.
There will always be war and discord in some way, I believe that.
Education has become something of a novelty. Our parents went to school, and used their degrees toward their careers. Now, we can change careers easier than in the past, regardless of our majors.
No one holds doors anymore, and if we don't we yell at the person who didn't.
Few kids have actual respect for an adult.
No one "calls" for their friends anymore.
How many times a day do you see someone cut someone off and then flip them the bird?
And if someone actually let's you in, it's refreshing?????
It just seems like everyone is out for themselves and could care less anbout each other.....
I would call it change in some ways, but in many ways it's a change for the worse....
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:14 PM |
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
You are right in a sense, but 30 years ago daily life was different too, there was more respect for elders, for your neighbor, etc. I think the fact that we as a society keep allowing history to repeat itself, coupled with the feeling of hopelessness and of "me-ism" sets the stage for a horrible downward spiral.
I agree! Dh and I were just talking about this the other night.
Yes, i think most of us are more educated than our parents (degree-wise, for myself anyway)... but textbook education, and Compassion are two different things.
it does often feel like we're in a rat race, and too many values and ideal get dropped along the side, because people are so focused on the 'prize' (whatever it may be), that no one, and nothing else matters. it is self centered, we're all guilty of it, and i do wonder how it will ever stop- espeically when children do learn by example 
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:17 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by curliegirl
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
While I agree on some points, I have to disagre on others.
There will always be war and discord in some way, I believe that.
Education has become something of a novelty. Our parents went to school, and used their degrees toward their careers. Now, we can change careers easier than in the past, regardless of our majors.
No one holds doors anymore, and if we don't we yell at the person who didn't.
Few kids have actual respect for an adult.
No one "calls" for their friends anymore.
How many times a day do you see someone cut someone off and then flip them the bird?
And if someone actually let's you in, it's refreshing?????
It just seems like everyone is out for themselves and could care less anbout each other.....
I would call it change in some ways, but in many ways it's a change for the worse....
I'm sorry that you see the world with such a bleak outlook. Maybe it's all perspective, but I feel like a lot of the things you mentioned, like changing careers, etc, as being a good thing. How nice is it that we have options? I find it to be good that we don't need to be unhappy in our personal lives just for a career. And I do think children have respect for adults. I see them everyday. And I'm sure that as far as "calling" your friends go, people were annoyed to let go of letter writing, as well. Life changes, it progresses. With all of the things that improve, of course there's going to be some things that get worse, but that's the way of the world. Nothing is perfect.
I felt like this a little when I was first pregnant, but as I got closer to giving birth, I realized that having Ava was my chance to instill all of the good things in her.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:18 PM |
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neenie
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by ChrissynRicky
I think the region where we are living had to do with this statement. It doesn't necessarily mean that other people in other cities, states, countries, etc. have a complete disregards for the human race.
i agree with this, too.
I think the fact that LI, and NYC in general, is SO overpopulated, that it's inevitable that a situation like this would exist.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:20 PM |
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MegZee
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by curliegirl
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
While I agree on some points, I have to disagre on others.
There will always be war and discord in some way, I believe that.
Education has become something of a novelty. Our parents went to school, and used their degrees toward their careers. Now, we can change careers easier than in the past, regardless of our majors.
No one holds doors anymore, and if we don't we yell at the person who didn't.
Few kids have actual respect for an adult.
No one "calls" for their friends anymore.
How many times a day do you see someone cut someone off and then flip them the bird?
And if someone actually let's you in, it's refreshing?????
It just seems like everyone is out for themselves and could care less anbout each other.....
I would call it change in some ways, but in many ways it's a change for the worse....
im sorry you have such a pessimistic view on our society. but as they say, a few people always ruin it for the bunch - and with the Media the way it is today, its easy to harp on the negatives all day long.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:24 PM |
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MrsMerlot
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by neenie
Posted by ChrissynRicky
I think the region where we are living had to do with this statement. It doesn't necessarily mean that other people in other cities, states, countries, etc. have a complete disregards for the human race.
i agree with this, too.
I think the fact that LI, and NYC in general, is SO overpopulated, that it's inevitable that a situation like this would exist.
I also want to add, that I see complaints on this website constantly, which is probably the reason why the views of some may be a little skewed.
To be specific about the complaints -
I always see threads about:
1. nasty customer service
2. road rage
3. manners
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:25 PM |
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neenie
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by prncssrachel
I realized that having Ava was my chance to instill all of the good things in her.
This made me smile! 
because it is what we CAN control... to raise better children to help make our world better. And, if you think positive, then you have a much better chance at achieving it!
So, now that i've put all of that pressure on Ava.....  
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SweetTooth
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
I don't think this is true. I think that we tend to only notice the negatives and not the positives and I believe that this has a lot to do with the media. When we watch the news, all we hear about is bad, bad, bad!! For all the bad things happening in the world, there are also many happy things, but that does not make for good TV.
Every day, people hold doors for me and say thank you when I hold doors for them. When I am walking down the street in the very busy part of NYC where I work and someone bumps into me, they say "Oh, I am so sorry!" Are there people who don't? Of course, but more often peope ARE polite and respectful.
On the subways, I always see people giving up their seats for elderly and pregnant women. I see people giving their spare change to the homeless man who sleeps in the street.
I don't think its true kids aren't learning anything. Are they disrespectful? Sure, but kids have always been disrespectful towards their parents and other adults. But most of them are good-hearted and will help out a friend in need or will volunteer to help raise money for a worth cause.
There is a lot of goodness in the world, and unfortuntately because of the media and other societial influences, many of us are very cynical and cannot see it. But take a good look around and you will see all the postives and will know that humanity does exist and is not going anywhere.
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MegZee
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by SweetTooth
I don't think this is true. I think that we tend to only notice the negatives and not the positives and I believe that this has a lot to do with the media.
I completely agree -
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:27 PM |
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curliegirl
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by Meaghan729
Posted by curliegirl
Posted by Meaghan729
I dont feel we are headed to a complete breakdown in humanity -
If you look back in history, every generation felt that the next generation was worse off....its called change.
30 years ago there was a war in vietnam that was not popular, an oil crisis - how much different is society today? not much, imo
I am definitely more and better educated than my parents are/were...
While I agree on some points, I have to disagre on others.
There will always be war and discord in some way, I believe that.
Education has become something of a novelty. Our parents went to school, and used their degrees toward their careers. Now, we can change careers easier than in the past, regardless of our majors.
No one holds doors anymore, and if we don't we yell at the person who didn't.
Few kids have actual respect for an adult.
No one "calls" for their friends anymore.
How many times a day do you see someone cut someone off and then flip them the bird?
And if someone actually let's you in, it's refreshing?????
It just seems like everyone is out for themselves and could care less anbout each other.....
I would call it change in some ways, but in many ways it's a change for the worse....
im sorry you have such a pessimistic view on our society. but as they say, a few people always ruin it for the bunch - and with the Media the way it is today, its easy to harp on the negatives all day long.
I wish I could say the media is what makes me jaded, but really, it's in everyday life.
I do believe that we live in an area that supports my views......I guess that's why DH wants to move so badly.
I wouldn't call myself pessimistic, just calling it like I see it. I have been raised to be respectful and to be courteous, so I guess it makes it worse for me when others aren't like that in return.
I also live in a neighborhood which I would consider a breeding ground for everything I have stated.....
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BaroqueMama
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Geez, this is going to be hard to live up to! hahaha
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:28 PM |
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
All you can do is teach your child to be the best person he or she can be. I am the product of great parents and for the most part, I knew right from wrong and always treat people with respect. I'm not saying I'm not a work in progress, but if you raise your child with all this in mind, all you can hope for is that when you set that child free in the world, he or she behaves with respect, intelligence, and caring.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:31 PM |
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Moehick
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by prncssrachel
Geez, this is going to be hard to live up to! hahaha
Don't forget Animal...oh geezz....I guess that doesn't help the hope for the future argument 
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:32 PM |
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jxnoscar
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by LRusso
All you can do is teach your child to be the best person he or she can be. I am the product of great parents and for the most part, I knew right from wrong and always treat people with respect. I'm not saying I'm not a work in progress, but if you raise your child with all this in mind, all you can hope for is that when you set that child free in the world, he or she behaves with respect, intelligence, and caring.
I agree with this. Since this job I have truly seen how mean and blatantly rude people can be. I still try yto the good in the world. We need to keep hope alive through our family, friends and of course oour children.
In some ways the world is a lot worse off than it was. I think it's up to us to contribute toward a better change, even if our contributions are small. I smile and hold doors, even when it gets a weird reaction. I hope that I brighten someone's day and it makes them a little happy. Teaching a child this will let them see the good in the world.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:34 PM |
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
I think it has EVERYTHING to do with good parenting and presenting a good role model to your children, and what I think the problem is in this day and age, is that those parenting skills are slowly (or rapidly, whatever you believe) declining. I can't pinpoint exactly what the reason is, perhaps is the stresses of everyday life, keeping up with the Jones', our increasingly obsession with material things, and/or the pressure of providing for your family with increasing costs, but whatever it is, there's something definitely lacking. I see it reflected in the increasing lack of respect and violence in the TV we watch, the increasing violence in the neighborhoods we live, and the increasing lack of respect displayed to one another. I'm not saying it's all-around, all the time, but I am saying that this world is quite different than the one I grew up in. DH and I were JUST talking about this last night - he was raised by his mother (his father died young), and his mom gave DH and his brother a LOT of freedom, because she knew they were responsible and would rise to the occasion. She basically let them do whatever they wanted, didn't harp on going to school, getting good grades, in fact, her only rule was that they couldn't fail a class. DH, one year, was absent, I think 60 days from school, but he never failed a class!  The sad truth, though, is that we were both remarking that although DH and his brother came out really well, we really don't think you could raise a child in this day and age in the same manner.
I do have hope in having my own children in making the tinest impact by instilling the same values in them that were given to me by my parents. But sometimes I wonder how far that will really go in this world...
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:39 PM |
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
Posted by curliegirl
that children are learning less and less, and we are headed for a major problem....
I just want to comment on this. Students are actually required to learn much more than even when we were in school. The requirements for Kindergarten are huge and most of us whne we were in first grade would only have met them.
Regents exams used to be optional. There was no mandated state testing (for promotion) in 4th and 8th grades.
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:45 PM |
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curliegirl
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
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Posted by curliegirl
that children are learning less and less, and we are headed for a major problem....
I just want to comment on this. Students are actually required to learn much more than even when we were in school. The requirements for Kindergarten are huge and most of us whne we were in first grade would only have met them.
Regents exams used to be optional. There was no mandated state testing (for promotion) in 4th and 8th grades.
By learning, I meant more in the non-classroom setting, like respect and courtesy, which teachers do instillin some ways as well.
But now that you mention it, I wonder why these strict requirements are being imposed in the first place?  COuld it be beacuse there was a pattern developing? 
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| Posted 12/29/06 12:55 PM |
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VirginiaDeb
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Re: The captain and other posts got me thinking...
In regards to teaching... Kids are learning much more book knowledge than ever before. I'm teaching things to my 5th graders that I don't remember learning until middle and high school.
I think that part of the problem is that with all the stress on state tests, some of the 'hidden curriculum' of schools is being put to the wayside.
It's also personal values. For thanksgiving i had my kids write what they were thankful for. The American kids were thankful for things like television and video games.
The Asian and Latin children were thankful for their education, family and books.
It was quite an eye opener.
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