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Hofstra26
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by amac27

Posted by Hofstra26

This thread is insanity.

Look. I'm all for empathy and understanding but for crying out loud, this woman's child ended up in the hands of a 400lb gorilla!!!!! How can you possibly expect that the only response to that situation would (or should) be empathy and understanding???? It's an "unfortunate accident" because the boy lived.............. Would you all be this "understanding" and empathetic if because of her actions that day (whatever they may be) he died?!?!

I don't think this woman should be crucified because nobody is perfect HOWEVER, to expect nobody to call into question her parenting that day is absurd. How can you not wonder W-T-F happened that day??!! How can you not feel some level of outrage or upset that a 4 yr old was able to find his way into a gorilla habitat?!!!

Just because some of us are questioning her actions that day does not make us a bunch of sanctimonious b1tches. It doesn't mean we think we are the salt of the earth or the most perfect angel parents with wonderful, do no wrong children. It means we are human, humans have visceral responses to situations. We feel everything from anger to upset to empathy and everything in between. Those of you who think you're somehow better humans and women because you bleed empathy need to climb off your high horse. There is NO right or wrong emotion or opinion here, everyone is entitled to feel and react in their own way.

This thread just completely went off the rails in grand LIF style. It's astonishing to me that nobody is allowed to have a difference of opinion without it turning into a giant 10 page fight. Just agree to disagree and move on.
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I think the thread actually went of the rails when people were talking about spacing out your children "responsibly" and the use of birth control. I don't think people would have been so upset if those comments hadn't been made.



I'll give you that, those comments were complete silliness. As someone who struggled with IF issues I surely did not have the luxury of spacing out my children like I had wanted.

Posted 6/1/16 9:47 PM
 
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

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And nobody was upset about the accountability






Yes, they were. Read the first page.



Ok. Read the rest about what she was called and the questions of her parenting ability

Posted 6/1/16 10:15 PM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Sash

Posted by shadows

Posted by Sash

Posted by Lara&Aidansmommy

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



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She actually got kicked off... Well done ladies.


And we wonder why this site is so slow!



Why did she get kicked off?? Her opinion wasn't popular but she didn't do anything blatantly wrong that I could see? Unless I missed something she wrote...



I think she reference the C unt word for a hot second and got reported. But I didn't see it, this is all assumption.



That c u next Tuesday comment was someone else I think



Yes, it was just a random comment made by someone who hadn't posted at all in this thread. It was a comment with a lot of love Chat Icon .

Posted 6/2/16 4:01 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

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Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.

Posted 6/2/16 7:06 AM
 

Sash
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

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Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.


Oh please with the freaking race crap.. It's funny because everyone hates Kanye.. Please just shut up.

Eta: now you can report me as a racist and get me kicked off this site.

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Posted 6/2/16 7:30 AM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

IMAGE

Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.



Oh give me a break!!!! Are you for real??!! Is the world for real??!! Chat Icon It's funny because Kanye is an a$$hole....... Not because he's black. If he was purple, pink, or blue he would be still be an a$$hole. Lighten up. Holy h-e-l-l with this overly sensitive society we live in nowadays. Chat Icon

Posted 6/2/16 7:56 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

I don't think that meme is anti black either because Kanye is an asshole though I am not generally don't find jokes about shooting people to be funny, even people who I would like to relocate to outer space.

I saw video of the gorilla dragging that kid like a rag doll. It freaked me out.

I am really interested to see if the mom decides to sue the zoo. In 2012 a little boy was mauled by African dogs when he mother lifted him up onto a railing and he pitched forward and fell into the enclosure. The family sued the Pittsburgh Zoo and won.

Posted 6/2/16 7:57 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by MrsProfessor

I don't think that meme is anti black either because Kanye is an asshole though I am not generally don't find jokes about shooting people to be funny, even people who I would like to relocate to outer space.

I saw video of the gorilla dragging that kid like a rag doll. It freaked me out.

I am really interested to see if the mom decides to sue the zoo. In 2012 a little boy was mauled by African dogs when he mother lifted him up onto a railing and he pitched forward and fell into the enclosure. The family sued the Pittsburgh Zoo and won.



This is the one thing I wrote on this long thread. About how if she decides to sue - any sympathy I have for her in this whole situation will be gone. I honestly feel everyone should take a little blame in this situation. The Zoo and the mom. It was an unfortunate accident that claimed one life. The right choice was made - shooting the gorilla. It was the only logical choice.

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.

Posted 6/2/16 8:14 AM
 

Kitten1929
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

IMAGE

Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.



Oh give me a break!!!! Are you for real??!! Is the world for real??!! Chat Icon It's funny because Kanye is an a$$hole....... Not because he's black. If he was purple, pink, or blue he would be still be an a$$hole. Lighten up. Holy h-e-l-l with this overly sensitive society we live in nowadays. Chat Icon



First off, it's not about being overly sensitive. I am not crying boo hoo hoo in a corner over this meme. I am simply pointing something out, that once people decide to look a little bit deeper into something they might not find it funny. I know that when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it. Then, I saw a few comments that said, given the history of comparing black people to primates, this isn't funny. And they're right - advocating or joking about shooting a black person IS NOT FUNNY and you seriously can't think it is. There is no reason for a meme like this to exist, let alone for people to think it's funny.

And we get it - you're so perfect and self righteous and of course everyone else is wrong. Get over yourself and your excessive use of emoticons.

Posted 6/2/16 8:28 AM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

IMAGE

Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.



Oh give me a break!!!! Are you for real??!! Is the world for real??!! Chat Icon It's funny because Kanye is an a$$hole....... Not because he's black. If he was purple, pink, or blue he would be still be an a$$hole. Lighten up. Holy h-e-l-l with this overly sensitive society we live in nowadays. Chat Icon



First off, it's not about being overly sensitive. I am not crying boo hoo hoo in a corner over this meme. I am simply pointing something out, that once people decide to look a little bit deeper into something they might not find it funny. I know that when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it. Then, I saw a few comments that said, given the history of comparing black people to primates, this isn't funny. And they're right - advocating or joking about shooting a black person IS NOT FUNNY and you seriously can't think it is. There is no reason for a meme like this to exist, let alone for people to think it's funny.

And we get it - you're so perfect and self righteous and of course everyone else is wrong. Get over yourself and your excessive use of emoticons.



Okay, I'm self righteous and perfect because I don't agree with you. Give me a break. Such a childish, immature response. Grow up.

Posted 6/2/16 8:32 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

IMAGE

Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.



Oh give me a break!!!! Are you for real??!! Is the world for real??!! Chat Icon It's funny because Kanye is an a$$hole....... Not because he's black. If he was purple, pink, or blue he would be still be an a$$hole. Lighten up. Holy h-e-l-l with this overly sensitive society we live in nowadays. Chat Icon



First off, it's not about being overly sensitive. I am not crying boo hoo hoo in a corner over this meme. I am simply pointing something out, that once people decide to look a little bit deeper into something they might not find it funny. I know that when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it. Then, I saw a few comments that said, given the history of comparing black people to primates, this isn't funny. And they're right - advocating or joking about shooting a black person IS NOT FUNNY and you seriously can't think it is. There is no reason for a meme like this to exist, let alone for people to think it's funny.

And we get it - you're so perfect and self righteous and of course everyone else is wrong. Get over yourself and your excessive use of emoticons.



Okay, I'm self righteous and perfect because I don't agree with you. Give me a break. Such a childish, immature response. Grow up.



It's not even worth it, when you don't agree with her she calls you perfect. This poster can tie almost everything back to racism. To be honest some of the things she posts are so absurd and off putting, that as a minority I wish she would stop the crusade on our behalf. I feel like she sets up back some years.

This also has been put on my FB feed by all my friends and family, not one person thought it was racist. Maybe you don't think it's funny but this is not a racist meme.

Posted 6/2/16 8:36 AM
 

Hofstra26
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by Sash

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by Kitten1929

Posted by Sash

Posted by 2BadSoSad

For the record, she has deactivated her account.



Which sucks because she was nice via the private messages we used to exchange, I think majorly misunderstood and her post taken way out of context.


I think the mother has some blame on her. There is such things as bad parenting or else I wouldn't be a parent. There is such thing as people having way more kids than they should. It's hard not to judge situations you hear, so please everyone stop acting like you don't ever judge.

I once got my ass handed to me on this site because I don't go to school bday parties and my son was going to grow up to be a monster, yet a woman's kid climbs into a gorilla pit and you are a monster if you make a judgement. The irony Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think the zoo did the right thing by killing him, which is sad for the gorilla who did nothing wrong. And I will end it with this

IMAGE

Mic drop!



FYI this meme is being called anti black, as it compares shooting a gorilla to shooting a black person. Not something to find funny.



Oh give me a break!!!! Are you for real??!! Is the world for real??!! Chat Icon It's funny because Kanye is an a$$hole....... Not because he's black. If he was purple, pink, or blue he would be still be an a$$hole. Lighten up. Holy h-e-l-l with this overly sensitive society we live in nowadays. Chat Icon



First off, it's not about being overly sensitive. I am not crying boo hoo hoo in a corner over this meme. I am simply pointing something out, that once people decide to look a little bit deeper into something they might not find it funny. I know that when I first saw it, I didn't think much of it. Then, I saw a few comments that said, given the history of comparing black people to primates, this isn't funny. And they're right - advocating or joking about shooting a black person IS NOT FUNNY and you seriously can't think it is. There is no reason for a meme like this to exist, let alone for people to think it's funny.

And we get it - you're so perfect and self righteous and of course everyone else is wrong. Get over yourself and your excessive use of emoticons.



Okay, I'm self righteous and perfect because I don't agree with you. Give me a break. Such a childish, immature response. Grow up.



It's not even worth it, when you don't agree with her she calls you perfect. This poster can tie almost everything back to racism. To be honest some of the things she posts are so absurd and off putting, that as a minority I wish she would stop the crusade on our behalf. I feel like she sets up back some years.

This also has been put on my FB feed by all my friends and family, not one person thought it was racist. Maybe you don't think it's funny but this is not a racist meme.



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I've seen it all over FB too, I've yet to see anyone comment that they were upset or offended. I think the one thing everyone in the world everyone can agree on is their dislike for Kanye so nobody is bothered by making him the center of jokes! Chat Icon

Posted 6/2/16 8:44 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.



I am willing to bet that lawyers were in touch with her within hours of the incident.

Posted 6/2/16 8:59 AM
 

JennP
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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.



I am willing to bet that lawyers were in touch with her within hours of the incident.



I'm sure they were.

I would be SO happy my son was ok I wouldn't have the nerve.

I would, however, like to see the zoo be made to secure the exhibit better. If that comes out of this somehow, then I'm all for it.

Posted 6/2/16 9:42 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by JennP

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.



I am willing to bet that lawyers were in touch with her within hours of the incident.



I'm sure they were.

I would be SO happy my son was ok I wouldn't have the nerve.

I would, however, like to see the zoo be made to secure the exhibit better. If that comes out of this somehow, then I'm all for it.



I just watched a video on the actual setup of the barrier. The railing is only about 3 feet high. So I'm not surprised that the child could easily have went through the railings. Of course it's about the same height as the railings I've seen at every other zoo that has a moat just beyond it. Hopefully they make it a bit taller after this, OR install plexi glass type material in between the slats.

Message edited 6/2/2016 9:59:38 AM.

Posted 6/2/16 9:59 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by JennP

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.



I am willing to bet that lawyers were in touch with her within hours of the incident.



I'm sure they were.

I would be SO happy my son was ok I wouldn't have the nerve.

I would, however, like to see the zoo be made to secure the exhibit better. If that comes out of this somehow, then I'm all for it.



I just watched a video on the actual setup of the barrier. The railing is only about 3 feet high. So I'm not surprised that the child could easily have went through the railings. Of course it's about the same height as the railings I've seen at every other zoo that has a moat just beyond it. Hopefully they make it a bit taller after this, OR install plexi glass type material in between the slats.



I totally agree. I hope this was a good lesson learned to all zoos and care givers alike. Better barrier and a story you won't forget when you bring small kids to exhibits

Posted 6/2/16 10:05 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

I hope no one sues anyone over this and that all parties involved can use this as a learning experience, make changes where necessary, and move on.

Glad the child is ok.
Sad the gorilla was shot.

I do not know enough about the situation to make a judgement in any direction.

Posted 6/2/16 10:18 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

They released the 911 calls this morning on GMA. It was sickening listening to the mother on the phone. Regardless of what occurred that day, I can not fathom what it was like for her to see her baby in a gorilla habitat being flung around like a rag doll. I am sure she will be traumatized for life after going through that ordeal. If that were me, I wouldn't need an internet mob telling me what a terrible mother I was...I would already feel that way.

They also said they have no intention of suing the zoo. Of course, minds can change, especially when potential monetary awards are dangled like a carrot but they would have to be out of their minds to put themselves back into the media spotlight to go through a trial.

Posted 6/2/16 10:32 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

How can anyone judge without having been there and seeing exactly what happened?

If she was on the phone or ignoring him...fine.

But little kids can be wildly unpredictable. My kids are relatively calm and obedient. But there but for the grace of God....

Depending on the setup, she could have had her eyes on him and this could have happened in fractions of a second. Easily. This is truly heartbreaking.

I don't get how anyone, especially someone who wasn't there, could say with any confidence that this could never happen to them. No one thinks absurd extreme things can happen to them. Everyone thinks they're "special" or above average. To think that it could never be you is just laughable.

I try to avoid risk, keep my kids as close as possible, and I never take my eyes off of them. But I also know that we are vulnerable---to faulty setups, our own imperfections, and the unpredictability of my kids and of the world.

I hope to at least be able to give my kids the gift of caution, humility, compassion, and empathy. That's the best we can do. Geesh.

Posted 6/2/16 10:52 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Nevermind, I couldn't post the meme.

Message edited 6/2/2016 11:09:35 AM.

Posted 6/2/16 10:55 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by JennP

Posted by MrsProfessor

Posted by PhyllisNJoe

I'm going to make a guess and say she pulled her FB post down (before deleting her FB all together) bc legal council told her to. A little too late bc what she had written has already been seen and screen shot.



I am willing to bet that lawyers were in touch with her within hours of the incident.



I'm sure they were.

I would be SO happy my son was ok I wouldn't have the nerve.

I would, however, like to see the zoo be made to secure the exhibit better. If that comes out of this somehow, then I'm all for it.



I just watched a video on the actual setup of the barrier. The railing is only about 3 feet high. So I'm not surprised that the child could easily have went through the railings. Of course it's about the same height as the railings I've seen at every other zoo that has a moat just beyond it. Hopefully they make it a bit taller after this, OR install plexi glass type material in between the slats.



I struggle with anxiety and am probably more cautious than most -- I watch my two kids like a hawk and I dont like to let them out of my eyesight for a second. I will typically wear my crazy 1.5yo in places where it would be difficult to wrangle him or to keep a close eye on him and his brother at the same time. That said, I saw the same video as you and I was surprised that was the railing intended to keep people out. Of course I try to keep an eye on my kids every second particularly when we are out in public, but my fear is usually more that they will get lost, abducted, etc and not that they will end up inside the enclosure of a wild animal. I honestly would have assumed that the enclosures would have been built in such a way that it would be highly difficult if not impossible for that to happen (yay! something new to worry about -- although honestly it's a learning experience). Thats like saying if I got distracted for a second at the aquarium and took my eye off of one child to help the other, and the other child disappeared for a second, my first thought would be that he was hiding or that a stranger grabbed him and not that he might be in the hippo or shark exhibit. The gorilla exhibits at the Bronx zoo are a full wall of glass. Same with the tigers. I am glad the kid is OK and I am really sad about the gorilla but I hope this is a big eye opening learning experience for zoos (to really make sure their enclosures are safer) and for parents (to think that it could even be a possibility).

Message edited 6/2/2016 3:55:55 PM.

Posted 6/2/16 3:55 PM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by LiveForMoments

For those who say "how did he have time to crawl in there?" - if you lose sight of your child at the zoo, where is the first place you turn to look? I'm pretty sure 99% of us would turn towards the walkways where people are and start looking around there, and not towards the gorilla enclosure. Regardless of the fact the child said he wanted to go in there, 4 year olds say a lot of things that they have no intention of acting on.


But really, none of us know the family or situation...




I agree with this. I can't believe this is as much as an argument as it is. I'm a vegetarian even, love animals. Its awful that the gorilla was killed. But I'm a mom first. A good mom who has made lots of mistakes. I hope this mom's/family's life is not ruined over this. Protesting outside their home, responsible? Awful.
It's the zoo's fault for not keeping the exhibit enclosed more securely.

Posted 6/2/16 6:36 PM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by noworlater

Posted by LiveForMoments

For those who say "how did he have time to crawl in there?" - if you lose sight of your child at the zoo, where is the first place you turn to look? I'm pretty sure 99% of us would turn towards the walkways where people are and start looking around there, and not towards the gorilla enclosure. Regardless of the fact the child said he wanted to go in there, 4 year olds say a lot of things that they have no intention of acting on.


But really, none of us know the family or situation...




I agree with this. I can't believe this is as much as an argument as it is. I'm a vegetarian even, love animals. Its awful that the gorilla was killed. But I'm a mom first. A good mom who has made lots of mistakes. I hope this mom's/family's life is not ruined over this. Protesting outside their home, responsible? Awful.
It's the zoo's fault for not keeping the exhibit enclosed more securely.



As much as we'd all like to say that we have everything covered all the time, no-one can prepare for random occurrences and I think we can all agree that this event was random. Was it preventable? Probably by both the parents and the zoo itself.

Posted 6/2/16 6:44 PM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Accidents happen, it's not like this mom tossed her son into the gorilla habitat, or she propped him up on a ledge to get a better selfie. People can ride that high horse to superiority all they want, but I'm sorry I just don't believe that something like this couldn't possibly happen to even the most overprotective of parents. Actually, I don't think I know anyone who hasn't had a close call with at least one of their kids. I guess I hang around nothing but crappy parents. This was a very unfortunate accident, and it's awful the gorilla was killed but was the zoo supposed to let the gorilla tear the kid apart to teach the parents a lesson?
Wtf! Why is the father's criminal history, how many kids they have, how they were spaced out, their family planning, or method of birth control even being brought up? It's all irrelevant and disgusting. Internet balls run rampant these days. The hateful things people have said about this family and this child, some of the bad things people have wished on the poor child, the race comments, the death threats, all leads me to believe we're surrunded by a nation of mentally ill people with internet access. People are vile disgusting pigs behind the safety and anonymity of their computer screen. It's entirely possible to feel compassion, empathy, and sympathy for both the child, his family, and the gorilla. It's not always a black and white situation. People just don't get that. The zoo is almost entirely at fault here. If you're going to go into the business of displaying wild animals to the public, you'd better be sure nothing can get in or out of those enclosures. Call me crazy, but I just don't think any 4 year old deserves to be mauled by tigers, even if he has the crappiest parents. That's something the holier than thou parents just don't get or agree on. In their mind, the children of less than perfect parents should be eaten by wild animals should they run off from their parents' side and manage to drop 15 feet off a cliff into a ravine so they have something to judge that day and pat themselves on the back for another day of perfect parenting.

Posted 6/3/16 3:09 AM
 

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Re: Cincinnati Zoo incident

Posted by MC09

Accidents happen, it's not like this mom tossed her son into the gorilla habitat, or she propped him up on a ledge to get a better selfie. People can ride that high horse to superiority all they want, but I'm sorry I just don't believe that something like this couldn't possibly happen to even the most overprotective of parents. Actually, I don't think I know anyone who hasn't had a close call with at least one of their kids. I guess I hang around nothing but crappy parents. This was a very unfortunate accident, and it's awful the gorilla was killed but was the zoo supposed to let the gorilla tear the kid apart to teach the parents a lesson?
***! Why is the father's criminal history, how many kids they have, how they were spaced out, their family planning, or method of birth control even being brought up? It's all irrelevant and disgusting. Internet balls run rampant these days. The hateful things people have said about this family and this child, some of the bad things people have wished on the poor child, the race comments, the death threats, all leads me to believe we're surrunded by a nation of mentally ill people with internet access. People are vile disgusting pigs behind the safety and anonymity of their computer screen. It's entirely possible to feel compassion, empathy, and sympathy for both the child, his family, and the gorilla. It's not always a black and white situation. People just don't get that. The zoo is almost entirely at fault here. If you're going to go into the business of displaying wild animals to the public, you'd better be sure nothing can get in or out of those enclosures. Call me crazy, but I just don't think any 4 year old deserves to be mauled by tigers, even if he has the crappiest parents. That's something the holier than thou parents just don't get or agree on. In their mind, the children of less than perfect parents should be eaten by wild animals should they run off from their parents' side and manage to drop 15 feet off a cliff into a ravine so they have something to judge that day and pat themselves on the back for another day of perfect parenting.




Exactly. It was a random freak accident.

For 38 years, the barrier worked. But it was going to happen eventually.
As for the mom, I'm sure she did not think her child was capable at all of doing what he did. As parents, it's easy to underestimate their abilities.

And in some parts of the video, the gorilla looked caring and human. But when he dragged the boy around like a doll, he showed what HE was capable of and you don't want to underestimate a gorilla. Sad sad sad. But hopefully lessons will be learned by zoos and parents.

Posted 6/3/16 4:58 AM
 
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