LIFamilies.com - Long Island, NY


RSS
Articles Business Directory Blog Real Estate Community Forum Shop My Family Contests

Log In Chat Index Search Rules Lingo Create Account

Quick navigation:   

Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted By Message

KPtoys
I'm getting old

Member since 5/05

8688 total posts

Name:
Karen

Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Alien Sues, Saying NYPD Called in Feds
By JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN
Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 31, 2008

A D V E R T I S E M E N T


A D V E R T I S E M E N T

An unlicensed cab driver will seek to show a federal jury this week that the police department is failing to abide by Mayor Bloomberg's pledge that the city won't alert immigration authorities to illegal aliens who otherwise obey the law.

The case of the cab driver, Waheed Saleh of Jenin in the West Bank, indicates that a New York City police lieutenant casually tipped off a federal immigration officer about Mr. Saleh's immigration status, court documents in the case show.

Mr. Saleh's civil trial against the lieutenant and another police officer is expected to begin tomorrow. It may be the first time that the city has been called to account in connection with Mr. Bloomberg's Executive Order 41. Issued in 2003, that order was intended to encourage illegal immigrants to seek out help from the police department and other agencies and allay fears that the city would turn their names over to federal immigration officials.

Court records show that police officers considered Mr. Saleh to be a troublemaker who could turn violent when confronted by the minor annoyances of big-city life, such as a dispute over a parking spot or the high price of cigarettes. In one instance, officers responded to a 911 call from a bodega employee who claimed Mr. Saleh threw a pack of cigarettes at him after a dispute over its price, according to court documents. In another instance, police officers broke up a fistfight between Mr. Saleh and another man over a parking spot, according to depositions. Police believed that Mr. Saleh, earlier in the fight, had tried to use his vehicle to ram a person standing in the street, the documents say.

Mr. Saleh maintains that the immigration tip-off was in retaliation for the repeated complaints he had made against the second police officer he is suing, Kishon Hickman, who policed the intersection of 231st Street and Broadway in the Bronx, where Mr. Saleh often sought fares for his cab. The complaints, which alleged general harassment but were never substantiated, were made to the Civilian Complaint Review Board, which investigates allegations of police misconduct.

Mr. Saleh's lawsuit claims that the retaliation he believes he faced in response to his complaints amounts to a violation of his First Amendment rights. Two acquaintances of Mr. Saleh have filed affidavits in court claiming that Officer Hickman told them to tell Mr. Saleh to drop his complaints or the police would cause him difficulties.

Depositions of police officers and federal immigration officials do indicate that police at the 50th precinct did try to get Mr. Saleh deported. When an agent with the Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Rodger Werner, was at the precinct house in late 2003 or early 2004 in search of someone other than Mr. Saleh, a police lieutenant, Kevin Nicholson, volunteered him with Mr. Saleh's name, Mr. Nicholson, who is now a captain, said in a deposition. And on December 20, 2004, Mr. Nicholson and other officers tipped off the federal agents that Mr. Saleh could be found at his usual intersection. Mr. Nicholson sat in a nearby car until the federal immigration agents had arrested Mr. Saleh.

Message edited 4/1/2008 12:34:20 PM.

Posted 4/1/08 11:42 AM
 
Long Island Weddings
Long Island's Largest Bridal Resource

JenniferEver
The Disney Lady

Member since 5/05

18163 total posts

Name:
Jennifer

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Just from that amount of info, it sounds like the cops were wrong and didn't listen to the Mayor. I don't know if there is an over-riding law that makes it ok though.

Posted 4/1/08 11:43 AM
 

KPtoys
I'm getting old

Member since 5/05

8688 total posts

Name:
Karen

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

but he is an UNLICENSED cab driver who got into an argument over another parking spot with another cabbie. That is why he was involved with the police. (I saw the story on TV).

Posted 4/1/08 11:47 AM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

There seems to be more to this story but from what's stated it would seem like the cop was not following the "rule" set forth by the mayor.

Posted 4/1/08 11:49 AM
 

Christine
2nd verse same as the 1st

Member since 5/05

15287 total posts

Name:

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Based on your first post, I was going to agree with JenniferEver. Now that you elaborated, I don't think he has a caese. If he's breaking the law, then he loses amnesty from the police dept.

Posted 4/1/08 11:50 AM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by KPtoys

but he is an UNLICENSED cab driver who got into an argument over another parking spot with another cabbie. That is why he was involved with the police. (I saw the story on TV).



Didn't see this post...

Did the cop know the cabbie was unlicensed? If not, I would still think the cop was still technically wrong. No?

Posted 4/1/08 11:51 AM
 

JenniferEver
The Disney Lady

Member since 5/05

18163 total posts

Name:
Jennifer

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by KPtoys

but he is an UNLICENSED cab driver who got into an argument over another parking spot with another cabbie. That is why he was involved with the police. (I saw the story on TV).



Ok..for some reason when I read unlicensed I was just thinking it meant he was illegal. I glazed over it.

I guess it depends. If he was having an altercation and police were involved and found out he had no license, I would consider that breaking the law.

Posted 4/1/08 11:51 AM
 

MrsPornStar
Partners in crime

Member since 10/05

14656 total posts

Name:
Mama

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

I think that based on what's posted, the police have a right to get involved since he was operating a vehicle without a license and was transporting people.

Posted 4/1/08 11:54 AM
 

MrsPJB2007
MBA at your service!

Member since 7/06

12020 total posts

Name:
MJ

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

well the key here is that the mayor says the cops won't alert ICE about those who "obey the law"

if he is an unlicensed operator of a vehicle---he is breaking the law. therefore that voids the mayor's statement.

Message edited 4/1/2008 11:58:37 AM.

Posted 4/1/08 11:57 AM
 

CathyB

Member since 5/05

19403 total posts

Name:

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Doesn't federal law supercede local laws or "promises"?

Posted 4/1/08 11:57 AM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by MrsPJB2007

well the key here is that the mayor says the cops won't alert ICE about those who "obey the law"

if he is an unlicensed operator of a vehicle---he is breaking the law. therefore that voids the mayor's statement.



But how did the cop find out he was unlicensed?

I'm asking, was it dumb luck that this cabbie was unlicensed or did something happen where the cop found this out and then called ICE. KWIM?

Which came first?

If the cop found out he was unlicensed and then called ICE, I say he was within the mayor's rule. If her didn't know this before hand, then I say he was wrong.

Posted 4/1/08 12:10 PM
 

JenniferEver
The Disney Lady

Member since 5/05

18163 total posts

Name:
Jennifer

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by Jennie0898

Posted by MrsPJB2007

well the key here is that the mayor says the cops won't alert ICE about those who "obey the law"

if he is an unlicensed operator of a vehicle---he is breaking the law. therefore that voids the mayor's statement.



But how did the cop find out he was unlicensed?

I'm asking, was it dumb luck that this cabbie was unlicensed or did something happen where the cop found this out and then called ICE. KWIM?

Which came first?

If the cop found out he was unlicensed and then called ICE, I say he was within the mayor's rule. If her didn't know this before hand, then I say he was wrong.



I agree.

Posted 4/1/08 12:12 PM
 

MST9106
My life:)

Member since 6/06

9589 total posts

Name:

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by KPtoys

Illegal Alien Sues,
Saying NYPD Called in Feds
New York Sun, by JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN


Mayor Bloomberg's pledge that the city won't alert immigration authorities to illegal aliens who otherwise obey the law.



This is if you OBEY the law...if not, then of course they have the right to report you. Or at least they should!

Posted 4/1/08 12:14 PM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by MST9106

Posted by KPtoys

Illegal Alien Sues,
Saying NYPD Called in Feds
New York Sun, by JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN


Mayor Bloomberg's pledge that the city won't alert immigration authorities to illegal aliens who otherwise obey the law.



This is if you OBEY the law...if not, then of course they have the right to report you. Or at least they should!



I agree, but in this case I think there's more to the story...

Posted 4/1/08 12:17 PM
 

MST9106
My life:)

Member since 6/06

9589 total posts

Name:

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by Jennie0898

Posted by MST9106

Posted by KPtoys

Illegal Alien Sues,
Saying NYPD Called in Feds
New York Sun, by JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN


Mayor Bloomberg's pledge that the city won't alert immigration authorities to illegal aliens who otherwise obey the law.



This is if you OBEY the law...if not, then of course they have the right to report you. Or at least they should!



I agree, but in this case I think there's more to the story...



Definitely...I mean the cab drives must have been caught breaking the law or something...

Posted 4/1/08 12:19 PM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by MST9106

Posted by Jennie0898

Posted by MST9106

Posted by KPtoys

Illegal Alien Sues,
Saying NYPD Called in Feds
New York Sun, by JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN


Mayor Bloomberg's pledge that the city won't alert immigration authorities to illegal aliens who otherwise obey the law.



This is if you OBEY the law...if not, then of course they have the right to report you. Or at least they should!



I agree, but in this case I think there's more to the story...



Definitely...I mean the cab drives must have been caught breaking the law or something...



That's what I'd like to know. If the cabbie broke the law, then by ALL MEANS he deserves whatever he gets. But if nothing happened and the cop just assumed he was illegal, then I don't think the cop was right.

Posted 4/1/08 12:20 PM
 

MrsPJB2007
MBA at your service!

Member since 7/06

12020 total posts

Name:
MJ

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by Jennie0898

Posted by MrsPJB2007

well the key here is that the mayor says the cops won't alert ICE about those who "obey the law"

if he is an unlicensed operator of a vehicle---he is breaking the law. therefore that voids the mayor's statement.



But how did the cop find out he was unlicensed?

I'm asking, was it dumb luck that this cabbie was unlicensed or did something happen where the cop found this out and then called ICE. KWIM?

Which came first?

If the cop found out he was unlicensed and then called ICE, I say he was within the mayor's rule. If her didn't know this before hand, then I say he was wrong.




i would assume that maybe if there was some type of altercation and the cop asked for his license for identification purposes---and the cabbie didn't have any type of id....perhaps the cabbie admitted he didn't have a license or id?

obviously there is so much more to this story than just the snippet that was posted.

Posted 4/1/08 12:23 PM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by MrsPJB2007
obviously there is so much more to this story than just the snippet that was posted.



Yes, I agree.

I don't think a fair opinion can be formed without having all the facts.

Though I have to admit, I'm glad it came out he's unlicensed b/c it's scary to think there are cab drivers out there operating w/o a license!! Chat Icon

Posted 4/1/08 12:36 PM
 

KPtoys
I'm getting old

Member since 5/05

8688 total posts

Name:
Karen

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

I found the whole article

Posted 4/1/08 12:39 PM
 

HoneyBadger
YourWorstNightmare.

Member since 10/06

15979 total posts

Name:
BahBahBlackJeep

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Well certainly from the article, it sounds to me like he fits the "trouble maker" description. He's had a few altercations, therefore I think the police were well within their rights to call ICE.

Posted 4/1/08 12:43 PM
 

MrsPJB2007
MBA at your service!

Member since 7/06

12020 total posts

Name:
MJ

Re: Illegal Alien Sues for having ICE called on him - Thoughts?

Posted by Jennie0898

Well certainly from the article, it sounds to me like he fits the "trouble maker" description. He's had a few altercations, therefore I think the police were well within their rights to call ICE.




yeah i hate to say it---but that guy seemed like he was always into something and getting into it with people that the cops had to be called. not for nothing but i know he may not have "directly" been doing something at the time the cops tipped off ICE---but with his track record...i can see why they did it.

Posted 4/1/08 12:53 PM
 
 
Quick navigation:   
Currently 264408 users on the LIFamilies.com Chat
New Businesses
1 More Rep
Carleton Hall of East Islip
J&A Building Services
LaraMae Health Coaching
Sonic Wellness
Julbaby Photography LLC
Ideal Uniforms
Teresa Geraghty Photography
Camelot Dream Homes
Long Island Wedding Boutique
MB Febus- Rodan & Fields
Camp Harbor
Market America-Shop.com
ACM Basement Waterproofing
Travel Tom

      Follow LIWeddings on Facebook

      Follow LIFamilies on Twitter
Long Island Bridal Shows