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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by ChilisWife

Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA




OMG, is this for real? I keep seeing memes about it with Biden on it.

Posted 2/10/22 4:59 PM
 
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by ChilisWife

Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA



My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.



They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.



Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):

According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.



The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.

Besides it is not true. And even it was, there is nothing wrong with harm reduction.



Because I do not need my tax dollars being spent on crack pipes for addicts. That’s where I draw the line. Drug treatment programs yes. Crack pipes to prevent infections no. Perhaps some open sores will help them achieve rock bottom sooner.



“Tough love” doesn’t work. Treatment programs are very expensive and NA statistically doesn’t work very well.

I won’t even touch the rock bottom comment. Maybe look into harm reduction and see the benefits of it. Giving someone with a drug use disorder shame is the last thing they need to reach “rock bottom”.

Posted 2/10/22 5:20 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by lululu

Posted by ali120206

Posted by lululu

Posted by ChilisWife

Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA



My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.



They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.



Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):

According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.



Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.



"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.

They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.



I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.



Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.



1. Answer me to what?
2. So you were ok coming off snarky to me? Chat Icon



Ha I think she meant answer to me. Maybe she will take back her snark now.



Oh crap watch out Chat Icon

Posted 2/10/22 5:28 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

The seatbelt comparison is just so stupid. I’m tired of hearing it and the comparison makes zero sense. If you can’t figure out why it makes zero sense, I can’t help you. The vax is let’s say “new” and not everyone feels comfortable being first in line for that. I waited months until I voluntarily got my vax. Being forced to get the vax , IMO is not right. Also FORCING 2 year olds to wear a mask in daycare is absolutely taking away a parents freedom to choose. My kids have been in school since last year, no masks , no worse off with Covid then the children in NY.

Posted 2/10/22 5:35 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Bebelove

The seatbelt comparison is just so stupid. I’m tired of hearing it and the comparison makes zero sense. If you can’t figure out why it makes zero sense, I can’t help you. The vax is let’s say “new” and not everyone feels comfortable being first in line for that. I waited months until I voluntarily got my vax. Being forced to get the vax , IMO is not right. Also FORCING 2 year olds to wear a mask in daycare is absolutely taking away a parents freedom to choose. My kids have been in school since last year, no masks , no worse off with Covid then the children in NY.



Again shows the power and dictatorship in NY.

Posted 2/10/22 5:51 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by lululu

Posted by ali120206

Posted by lululu

Posted by ChilisWife

Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA



My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.



They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.



Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):

According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.



Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.



"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.

They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.



I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.



Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.



1. Answer me to what?
2. So you were ok coming off snarky to me? Chat Icon

You asked who “they” was and I answered. The snark was correcting ali ‘s post as if she was wrong. That was the snark There was no snark to you … just answering your question of who they was Or lululu… no snark directed to anyone with the answer. The snark was what looked like my correcting someone like a school teacher to a student

Message edited 2/10/2022 7:23:40 PM.

Posted 2/10/22 7:18 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by ali120206

Posted by CookiePuss

Posted by ali120206

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by lululu

Posted by ali120206

Posted by lululu

Posted by ChilisWife

Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA



My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.



They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.



Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):

According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.



Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.



"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.

They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.



I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.



Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.



1. Answer me to what?
2. So you were ok coming off snarky to me? Chat Icon

You asked who “they” was and I answered. The snark was correcting ali ‘s post as if she was wrong. That was the snark There was no snark to you … just answering your question of who they was Or lululu… no snark directed to anyone with the answer. The snark was what looked like my correcting someone like a school teacher to a student



Nope, not me asking that. Go back and re-read the posts.

Posted 2/10/22 7:27 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Bebelove

The seatbelt comparison is just so stupid. I’m tired of hearing it and the comparison makes zero sense. If you can’t figure out why it makes zero sense, I can’t help you. The vax is let’s say “new” and not everyone feels comfortable being first in line for that. I waited months until I voluntarily got my vax. Being forced to get the vax , IMO is not right. Also FORCING 2 year olds to wear a mask in daycare is absolutely taking away a parents freedom to choose. My kids have been in school since last year, no masks , no worse off with Covid then the children in NY.



Again shows the power and dictatorship in NY.



Yep! But people rather say no its not when it is.

Posted 2/10/22 8:56 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Why do you care? People who are fine with these mandates and restrictions will never see our side. You will never understand it. Stop asking these questions because all that happens is a combative response of how we are wrong. These questions get asked but there is no empathy, understanding or being open minded. It’s becomes a pissing match of who is right and the most righteous.

Secondly, this vaccine is not like other Vaccines and has proven to fail at stopping the spread. To say we should be anti all vaccines because we are not on board with a rush to market shot that is ineffective on stopping this pandemic is stupid. This shot only protects one person. My niece is really sick with covid after getting her last shot in Dec. She didn’t get it from her unvaccinated cousin because I made sure to be responsible and keep him isolated. She got it from her vaccinated, boostered bf. This kid had three shots with in 6 months, caught covid and gave it to another vaccinated minor who is now sick. My unvaccinated kid was fine, strep was 100% worse for him. So I won’t stop believing in other vaccines just because this covid one doesn’t seem like a necessity for me.

It’s the same reason I don’t side with everything one political party stands for. Have we lost all critical thinking skills, logic and deductive reasoning?




So if this is directed to me. when did I ever say we should all either be all anti-vaccine or be for all vaccines??!!

What I did say is people shouldn’t be OK with some vaccines being mandated and not other vaccines being mandated.
To me that is all or nothing!

I am on the side of vaccines shouldn’t be mandated. No matter which one it is!!
(ETA: while I don’t think any vaccine should be mandated i should say I have not complained about them being mandated and I don’t really care that they are because honestly I won’t do anything about it. Which is why I don’t complain about them being mandated because I have no right to complain about them when I won’t do anything about it)

most people missed my point but I guess I wasn’t clear

Not sure when I ever said anyone should just be ok with covid vaccine. I actually made a point to say it ok to not be ok with it.

Message edited 2/10/2022 10:56:48 PM.

Posted 2/10/22 10:02 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.







If you think that the Covid Vaccine is similar to the other vaccines that are mandated, you have been living under a rock. This is a new, unproven, and mostly ineffective vaccine as far as preventing and spreading Covid. I am sure that if the efficacy was what they actually told us before they rolled it out people would be less hesitant to take it. Not to mention it is relatively new technology that has not been tested for long term effects and it was rushed to market. Clearly you must understand the difference.



Again where did I say I think they are the same. All I am saying is we should not be OK with some vaccines being mandated and then other vaccines not being mandated. I am on the side of no vaccine should be mandated!
(ETA: while I don’t think any vaccine should be mandated i should say I have not complained about them being mandated and I don’t really care that they are because honestly I won’t do anything about it. Which is why I don’t complain about them because I have no right to complain about them being mandated when I won’t do anything about it)

And I know I am not the only one who thinks this because all the parents who choose not to vaccine their children don’t want to see any vaccine mandated.

my Point is I didn’t hear many people complaining about the mandated vaccines needed to go to school being against peoples rights except for parents who are against all vaccines for their kids.

Now they want to make the Covid one mandated and all of a sudden people who never cared before are saying it’s going against peoples rights. where is the logic in that??!!
If everyone’s answer is because it’s so new it can’t be mandated fine and that’s the answer but no where am I saying that I’m comparing the covid vaccine against other vaccines.

Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.

Message edited 2/10/2022 10:56:18 PM.

Posted 2/10/22 10:15 PM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Posted by lululu

Posted by blu6385



What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.







If you think that the Covid Vaccine is similar to the other vaccines that are mandated, you have been living under a rock. This is a new, unproven, and mostly ineffective vaccine as far as preventing and spreading Covid. I am sure that if the efficacy was what they actually told us before they rolled it out people would be less hesitant to take it. Not to mention it is relatively new technology that has not been tested for long term effects and it was rushed to market. Clearly you must understand the difference.



Again where did I say I think they are the same. All I am saying is we should not be OK with some vaccines being mandated and then other vaccines not being mandated. I am on the side of no vaccine should be mandated!
(ETA: while I don’t think any vaccine should be mandated i should say I have not complained about them being mandated and I don’t really care that they are because honestly I won’t do anything about it. Which is why I don’t complain about them because I have no right to complain about them being mandated when I won’t do anything about it)

And I know I am not the only one who thinks this because all the parents who choose not to vaccine their children don’t want to see any vaccine mandated.

my Point is I didn’t hear many people complaining about the mandated vaccines needed to go to school being against peoples rights except for parents who are against all vaccines for their kids.

Now they want to make the Covid one mandated and all of a sudden people who never cared before are saying it’s going against peoples rights. where is the logic in that??!!
If everyone’s answer is because it’s so new it can’t be mandated fine and that’s the answer but no where am I saying that I’m comparing the covid vaccine against other vaccines.

Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.



Did you ever have to show your vaccination status to get a job before? Did you ever lose a job because you were not vaccinated with a certain one?

Posted 2/11/22 4:04 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away





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Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.




But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional

Message edited 2/11/2022 6:39:00 AM.

Posted 2/11/22 5:53 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.





But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional


All of this.

Posted 2/11/22 7:07 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?

Posted 2/11/22 7:38 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?




Not making pharma enough money?

THIS!!!!

Posted 2/11/22 8:09 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?




Not making pharma enough money?

THIS!!!!



First, NY has been trying to mandate the flu shot for school, pre pandemic.

Second, it's probably because the efficacy is not high enough.... Oh wait, the efficacy of the COVID vaccine is probably less than the flu shot at this point. hmmmmmm

Posted 2/11/22 8:19 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?




Not making pharma enough money?

THIS!!!!



First, NY has been trying to mandate the flu shot for school, pre pandemic.

Second, it's probably because the efficacy is not high enough.... Oh wait, the efficacy of the COVID vaccine is probably less than the flu shot at this point. hmmmmmm



Yup.

None of the mandated vaccines are for respiratory viruses, that are constantly changing.

Posted 2/11/22 8:25 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?




Not making pharma enough money?

THIS!!!!



First, NY has been trying to mandate the flu shot for school, pre pandemic.

Second, it's probably because the efficacy is not high enough.... Oh wait, the efficacy of the COVID vaccine is probably less than the flu shot at this point. hmmmmmm



Ding ding ding.
I know NY was trying to mandate the flu shot but why hasn't it happened?
But yet this new vaccine comes out with probably worse efficacy than the flu shot and I guarantee you they will find a way to magically mandate it with no problem.
I'm so sick of this bullshitt

Posted 2/11/22 8:29 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by NervousNell

Why is the flu shot not mandated for school? I do believe flu is statistically more dangerous in children. Flu runs rampant in school and can take out whole classrooms. And you don't even have to quarantine for flu exposure.
Is that one not political enough? Not making pharma enough money?




Not making pharma enough money?

THIS!!!!



First, NY has been trying to mandate the flu shot for school, pre pandemic.

Second, it's probably because the efficacy is not high enough.... Oh wait, the efficacy of the COVID vaccine is probably less than the flu shot at this point. hmmmmmm




Well DUH now Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 2/11/22 8:52 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

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[Quote]

Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.





But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional










Again though I am not saying The Covid shot should be mandatory.

What I am questioning is why is making other vaccines even though they’ve been around forever OK to be mandatory for kids and that is not against all right but if we mandate the Covid vaccine people are saying that’s against our rights??!!

That’s my question.

Maybe you don’t think mandates are against our rights you just don’t want this one mandated fine but that’s no what I am questioning.

I don’t see the logic how anyone can now say mandating vaccines is against our rights when they were fine with the other mandates to begin with.

Message edited 2/11/2022 9:42:28 AM.

Posted 2/11/22 9:40 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by blu6385

Posted by 3girls1dog





[Quote]

Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.





But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional






Again though I am not saying The Covid shot should be mandatory.

What I am questioning is why is making other vaccines even though they’ve been around forever OK to be mandatory for kids and that is not against all right but if we mandate the Covid vaccine people are saying that’s against our rights??!!

That’s my question.

Maybe you don’t think mandates are against our rights you just don’t want this one mandated fine but that’s no what I am questioning.

I don’t see the logic how anyone can now say mandating vaccines is against our rights when they were fine with the other mandates to begin with.


I am going to take a stab even though this wasn't to me. Maybe because these other vaccines have been PROVEN to work and are more deadly.

Posted 2/11/22 9:42 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by blu6385

Posted by 3girls1dog





[Quote]

Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.





But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional






Again though I am not saying The Covid shot should be mandatory.

What I am questioning is why is making other vaccines even though they’ve been around forever OK to be mandatory for kids and that is not against all right but if we mandate the Covid vaccine people are saying that’s against our rights??!!

That’s my question.

Maybe you don’t think mandates are against our rights you just don’t want this one mandated fine but that’s no what I am questioning.

I don’t see the logic how anyone can now say mandating vaccines is against our rights when they were fine with the other mandates to begin with.


I am going to take a stab even though this wasn't to me. Maybe because these other vaccines have been PROVEN to work and are more deadly.





So essentially you were saying as long as The vaccines have been around forever proven to work and not be more deadly it’s OK to mandate them and it’s not against our rights.

But because this one is new and it doesn’t work mandating the Covid vaccine is against our rights.

So it’s only against our rights because it’s not proven to be efficient but if it was proven to be efficient and it was around lingers it would be no problem to mandate the Covid vaccine??

To me It’s either all vaccine mandates are against our rights or all vaccine mandates are not against our rights.
But clearly I am the minority that thinks this way

Posted 2/11/22 9:48 AM
 

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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

blu6385 - You're going to make yourself crazy trying to understand any of this. It's nonsensical to believe that because the government put into place mandates for the safety of the public interest it's akin to a dictatorship where all of one's rights and freedoms are being stripped away. It just couldn't be further from the the reality of the situation.

We can debate and argue over vaccines and masks all day long, unproductive as it may be since it's an age old discussion on here, but to your original point regarding our rights I agree with you. Nobody's essential freedoms have been taken away, businesses have the right to put conditions on employment, having to wear a mask was far from the most oppressive thing we have had to endure and encouraging the public to get a vaccine that can protect you against severe illness isn't an attempt to control you.

I think much of the reaction to all things COVID related have been a little over the top with some, not directed at anyone on here, just in general. JMO on the matter.

Message edited 2/11/2022 9:56:27 AM.

Posted 2/11/22 9:55 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by blu6385

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by blu6385

Posted by 3girls1dog





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Again What I am comparing is the fact that other vaccines are mandated for school and people are not complaining that those mandates our against our rights but if they mandate the covid vaccine all of a sudden it’s against our rights.





But you are comparing the Covid shot to the other mandated vaccines just by putting it in the same category as the other mandated vaccines.

Required vaccines have been around for years, they do the job they were suppose to do eradicated a virus. There is a schedule and while they are mandated parents do not have to give them on the recommended schedule they can space them out. I've had. my parents have had and my kids have had these vaccines over the past 60-80 years.

Covid shot is new, doesn't do what it's suppose to do, has caused many adverse effects. Being pushed on us like nothing else before. Flu shot in the same category that has been around for years is a choice and also doesn't always work. I do not want to be made to put something in me or my kids that I do not know the long term effects.
My friend was sitting in the Peds office with her kid when a 13 year old girl had a seizure the mom sad she shot the covid shot yesterday.......this is why i am against mandating this shot!

I think that social media is also responsible for people getting together and voicing against this shot. We didn't really have the ability to know other peoples opinions back then. Maybe their would have been a bigger backlash at vaccines if we had.

Also not all shots available to kids are mandatory. There are still a few that are optional






Again though I am not saying The Covid shot should be mandatory.

What I am questioning is why is making other vaccines even though they’ve been around forever OK to be mandatory for kids and that is not against all right but if we mandate the Covid vaccine people are saying that’s against our rights??!!

That’s my question.

Maybe you don’t think mandates are against our rights you just don’t want this one mandated fine but that’s no what I am questioning.

I don’t see the logic how anyone can now say mandating vaccines is against our rights when they were fine with the other mandates to begin with.



I am going to take a stab even though this wasn't to me. Maybe because these other vaccines have been PROVEN to work and are more deadly.





So essentially you were saying as long as The vaccines have been around forever proven to work and not be more deadly it’s OK to mandate them and it’s not against our rights.

But because this one is new and it doesn’t work mandating the Covid vaccine is against our rights.

So it’s only against our rights because it’s not proven to be efficient but if it was proven to be efficient and it was around lingers it would be no problem to mandate the Covid vaccine??

To me It’s either all vaccine mandates are against our rights or all vaccine mandates are not against our rights.
But clearly I am the minority that thinks this way




I guess we have all just gotten used to the vaccines that were offered for ourselves and our children and the ones that were mandatory we had no problem with because we knew they worked and didn't cause (for MOST people) any issues for them.
I personally have not given my kids the HPV as I didn't think it was out long enough when my child would have been eligible for it.

Posted 2/11/22 9:56 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

blu6385 - You're going to make yourself crazy trying to understand any of this. It's nonsensical to believe that because the government put into place mandates for the safety of the public interest it's akin to a dictatorship where all of one's rights and freedoms are being stripped away. It just couldn't be further from the the reality of the situation.

We can debate and argue over vaccines and masks all day long, unproductive as it may be since it's an age old discussion on here, but to your original point regarding our rights I agree with you. Nobody's essential freedoms have been taken away, businesses have the right to put conditions on employment, having to wear a mask was far from the most oppressive thing we have had to endure and encouraging the public to get a vaccine that can protect you against severe illness isn't an attempt to control you.

I think much of the reaction to all things COVID related have been a little over the top with some, not directed at anyone on here, just in general. JMO on the matter.





Once again people have lost jobs over something that is new and is proven not to work like it was intended to.
You never have been in the situation for yourself or the breadwinner in your home to make this decision so you don't have a clue how difficult is and yes, how their freedom is being taken away but getting something they do not want. Something that they were perfectly fine with when they were working their asses off to save people from dying but now they are shunned away like they are lepers.

Posted 2/11/22 9:59 AM
 
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