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lululu
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No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Why don’t they just mandate it for all adults and call it a day? These one by one measures to get everyone to get vaccinated without calling it a mandate is getting a little ridiculous.

Posted 10/10/21 5:05 PM
 
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Raging2020
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No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

When does a vaccinated person turn into an unvaccinated person? My friend got vaccinated in january and has no intentions of getting a booster. At what point does he switch into the unvaccinated category?

Posted 10/10/21 5:57 PM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Fuk this state. It's a shit hole and only getting worse.
Ever drive on the LIE lately?
Dump.
NY is a cesspool and when you look upon Cuomo as better than what we have now, you know it's bad.

Posted 10/10/21 6:32 PM
 

ChilisWife
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by NervousNell

Fuk this state. It's a shit hole and only getting worse.
Ever drive on the LIE lately?
Dump.
NY is a cesspool and when you look upon Cuomo as better than what we have now, you know it's bad.



Agree on all points.

Just wait until everyone is forced to get the shot and then everyone will STILL be SHOCKED that covid is still here. Insanity.

Posted 10/10/21 8:40 PM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by Raging2020

When does a vaccinated person turn into an unvaccinated person? My friend got vaccinated in january and has no intentions of getting a booster. At what point does he switch into the unvaccinated category?



That's a great question.

I believe I am entitled to my booster in December but according to NYS excelsior, which is apparently all knowing, I am good until May.

Also, how dare the state revoke a benefit meant to assist a NYS TAXPAYER in their time of need to promote their own agenda. Does this unemployed person get their tax payments back for the last year?

I am so outraged by all of this. There is a LOT of opposition to the Texas abortion law, right? Women deserve autonomy, blah blah blah. That should be across the board. This is tyrannical and abuse of governmental power. I sincerely hope people remember this on election day.

Posted 10/10/21 10:01 PM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by FirstMate

Posted by Raging2020

When does a vaccinated person turn into an unvaccinated person? My friend got vaccinated in january and has no intentions of getting a booster. At what point does he switch into the unvaccinated category?



That's a great question.

I believe I am entitled to my booster in December but according to NYS excelsior, which is apparently all knowing, I am good until May.

Also, how dare the state revoke a benefit meant to assist a NYS TAXPAYER in their time of need to promote their own agenda. Does this unemployed person get their tax payments back for the last year?

I am so outraged by all of this. There is a LOT of opposition to the Texas abortion law, right? Women deserve autonomy, blah blah blah. That should be across the board. This is tyrannical and abuse of governmental power. I sincerely hope people remember this on election day.



Is this even legal? Don't we pay into unemployment? Don't our employers pay into it?
How can you revoke that?

Posted 10/10/21 10:17 PM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by FirstMate

Posted by Raging2020

When does a vaccinated person turn into an unvaccinated person? My friend got vaccinated in january and has no intentions of getting a booster. At what point does he switch into the unvaccinated category?



That's a great question.

I believe I am entitled to my booster in December but according to NYS excelsior, which is apparently all knowing, I am good until May.

Also, how dare the state revoke a benefit meant to assist a NYS TAXPAYER in their time of need to promote their own agenda. Does this unemployed person get their tax payments back for the last year?

I am so outraged by all of this. There is a LOT of opposition to the Texas abortion law, right? Women deserve autonomy, blah blah blah. That should be across the board. This is tyrannical and abuse of governmental power. I sincerely hope people remember this on election day.



Is this even legal? Don't we pay into unemployment? Don't our employers pay into it?
How can you revoke that?



TBH, I don't know. Employment law is outside my personal skill set so I would have to ask my colleagues but I don't know how that is legal. You are entitled to unemployment if you are terminated but I don't know if there is a caveat as to the reason you are terminated. But I would imagine that people who get terminated for sexually harassing a co-worker, stealing from the company or some other act of moral turpitude are still entitled to benefits. But not if you won't get a vaccination that could maybe perhaps prevent you from getting sick? Ummmm..excuse me?

I find our government is using the "in the interest of the public at large" as a shield for their own political agendas. This new governor is scary. She is Sarah Palin dressed as a democrat. Total cowgirl with something to prove.

Posted 10/10/21 10:25 PM
 

KarenK122
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No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

So they are penalizing people for not getting a shot that wears off in 2 months anyway. It is absolutely ridiculous and the world is going to shit.

I do think that they are saying this to protect the businesses from paying an exorbitant amount of unemployment benefits due to the state mandating certain businesses to follow the stupid the mandates. So again, people are paying the price for political games.

Posted 10/10/21 11:17 PM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Do you have to be vaccinated to get a welfare check?

Posted 10/11/21 8:29 AM
 

BFNY516
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by Jenhos

Do you have to be vaccinated to get a welfare check?



Probably rhetorical but no.

Postal workers and congress members aren’t mandated either to get vaccinated.

(Which…. I don’t think is fair).

Posted 10/11/21 8:39 AM
 

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Posted by Jenhos

Do you have to be vaccinated to get a welfare check?



Another excellent question.

Posted 10/11/21 8:47 AM
 

ali120206
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by lululu

Why don’t they just mandate it for all adults and call it a day? These one by one measures to get everyone to get vaccinated without calling it a mandate is getting a little ridiculous.



I don’t think they legally can so this piecemeal crap is their way to get there.

They are making it as a condition of employment and if you are terminated by not meeting all conditions of employment, typically you aren’t entitled to unemployment.

Posted 10/11/21 9:46 AM
 

NervousNell
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?

Posted 10/11/21 10:09 AM
 

lululu
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by NervousNell

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?



The first article I read it seemed to imply that you needed to be vaccinated to get unemployment but now I can't find that article and everything coming up says that you won't get it if you are fired for not getting vaccinated. Which is a little better. But not much.

Posted 10/11/21 10:16 AM
 

ChilisWife
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by lululu

Posted by NervousNell

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?



The first article I read it seemed to imply that you needed to be vaccinated to get unemployment but now I can't find that article and everything coming up says that you won't get it if you are fired for not getting vaccinated. Which is a little better. But not much.



You don’t need a shot to get unemployment if you are terminated UNLESS you are terminated because you did not get a shot, in which case no unemployment for you. I think our lovely governor made that rule. Because you know. Science.

Posted 10/11/21 10:24 AM
 

lmcmcl
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by NervousNell

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?


When someone is laid off, the employer is sent a form saying that employee has filed an unemployment claim. If the employer does not dispute, as in the case you described, he does nothing and you can get unemployment.
If it is due to the vaccine, an employer can do nothing and let you collect or he can dispute it- I forget the categories, but basically a form of insubordination. You can then request a hearing.

Posted 10/11/21 10:25 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Is this something that was just announced?

Posted 10/11/21 10:45 AM
 

lululu
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

I think it was announced a couple of weeks ago ahead of the healthcare workers being fired for not getting vaccinated. But it was appearing in my news feed yesterday.

Posted 10/11/21 10:47 AM
 

windyweather21
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by lululu

I think it was announced a couple of weeks ago ahead of the healthcare workers being fired for not getting vaccinated. But it was appearing in my news feed yesterday.



Ahh ok. Haven’t been paying attention honestly to a lot of this stuff lately.

Posted 10/11/21 10:49 AM
 

ali120206
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by NervousNell

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?



If you are let go for a cost cutting layoff, you can still get unemployment (well, there are other things like severance and whatnot that may impact that but, your vaccination status will not impact it).

Posted 10/11/21 11:24 AM
 

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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.



From DOL

so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment

Posted 10/11/21 11:30 AM
 

NervousNell
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

OK thanks. I had heard that in reference to the healthcare workers who were fired for refusing the vaccine. I thought maybe they decided to really go balls to the wall and say the vaccine is a condition of collecting unemployment for ANY reason.

And the sad part is, I wouldn't put that past them either.

Message edited 10/11/2021 11:38:55 AM.

Posted 10/11/21 11:38 AM
 

FirstMate
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by blu6385

From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.



From DOL

so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment



That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.

Posted 10/11/21 12:56 PM
 

ChilisWife
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

Posted by FirstMate

Posted by blu6385

From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.



From DOL

so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment



That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.



Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.

Posted 10/11/21 3:52 PM
 

lululu
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers

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Posted by NervousNell

This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?



If you are let go for a cost cutting layoff, you can still get unemployment (well, there are other things like severance and whatnot that may impact that but, your vaccination status will not impact it).



The problem is that for most people they were working at these jobs, paying unemployment taxes, long before a covid vaccination mandate. It's truly unfair to say that you can't collect unemployment when the company changes a policy or puts a new policy in place and you are let go because of it. For example, if your company relocates to another city and you don't want to make the move, you qualify for unemployment. This has to be illegal.

Posted 10/11/21 5:23 PM
 
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