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KarenK122
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Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Thoughts on Ian Rosenblum denying the waiver to eliminate the 3-8 assessment testing for this year?

I personally think this is a huge misstep as many children across the United States have not stepped into a school since last March. The inequity in education across the United States is undeniable, especially during the pandemic, but insisting children sit for a meaningless test while many are still not getting their basic educational needs met, is just ridiculous. The focus should be on getting the children back in school full time not testing them.

Posted 2/23/21 2:39 AM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

We can still opt out right? I would encourage everyone to opt out. Especially if your child hasn't been in in person school at all.
Ridiculous to be worrying about nonsense standardized tests at this point.

Posted 2/23/21 2:50 AM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by NervousNell

We can still opt out right? I would encourage everyone to opt out. Especially if your child hasn't been in in person school at all.
Ridiculous to be worrying about nonsense standardized tests at this point.



Yes we can still opt out. They said they will not penalize the states for results or low participation. So they might have well just have cancelled them. Just throw the poor kids and teachers a bone.

Posted 2/23/21 2:56 AM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

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Posted by NervousNell

We can still opt out right? I would encourage everyone to opt out. Especially if your child hasn't been in in person school at all.
Ridiculous to be worrying about nonsense standardized tests at this point.



Yes we can still opt out. They said they will not penalize the states for results or low participation. So they might have well just have cancelled them. Just throw the poor kids and teachers a bone.



Exactly. It's actually disgraceful.
Every single parent should opt out as a sign of protest.

Posted 2/23/21 3:17 AM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

I was reading they might possibly go ahead with The Math, English, and Science Regents. I do not understand how that can possible happen?
How would they administer the test? You can't force students who are remote to enter the building to take the test, and you cannot have the kids take it online at home.

Posted 2/23/21 4:55 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by Diane

I was reading they might possibly go ahead with The Math, English, and Science Regents. I do not understand how that can possible happen?
How would they administer the test? You can't force students who are remote to enter the building to take the test, and you cannot have the kids take it online at home.



I really hope they cancel it. My son is in 7th but will take the Algebra I and Earth Science Regents this year and although I think he will do fine, he's really been at a disadvantage taking these 9th grade classes as a 7th grader hybrid. I don't want a not so great score going on his transcript even though no one really looks at those scores.

Posted 2/23/21 5:36 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by lululu

Posted by Diane

I was reading they might possibly go ahead with The Math, English, and Science Regents. I do not understand how that can possible happen?
How would they administer the test? You can't force students who are remote to enter the building to take the test, and you cannot have the kids take it online at home.



I really hope they cancel it. My son is in 7th but will take the Algebra I and Earth Science Regents this year and although I think he will do fine, he's really been at a disadvantage taking these 9th grade classes as a 7th grader hybrid. I don't want a not so great score going on his transcript even though no one really looks at those scores.



WOW, that is great he is in 7th grade and taking those classes.
Like I said, for the earth Science Regents, they have to do a hand's on lab, which counts towards their score. If a kid is all remote, not sure what an alternative would be, or maybe that portion off?
My son will be taking Earth Science and Algebra, and hoping it gets canceled.

Posted 2/23/21 5:49 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by Diane

Posted by lululu

Posted by Diane

I was reading they might possibly go ahead with The Math, English, and Science Regents. I do not understand how that can possible happen?
How would they administer the test? You can't force students who are remote to enter the building to take the test, and you cannot have the kids take it online at home.



I really hope they cancel it. My son is in 7th but will take the Algebra I and Earth Science Regents this year and although I think he will do fine, he's really been at a disadvantage taking these 9th grade classes as a 7th grader hybrid. I don't want a not so great score going on his transcript even though no one really looks at those scores.



WOW, that is great he is in 7th grade and taking those classes.
Like I said, for the earth Science Regents, they have to do a hand's on lab, which counts towards their score. If a kid is all remote, not sure what an alternative would be, or maybe that portion off?
My son will be taking Earth Science and Algebra, and hoping it gets canceled.



Graduating students need to meet the ESSA which is the standard set by the Federal Government. To meet that, a student needs to take 1 math, 1 science and 1 English mastery test. NY does this through the regents exams.
Since the federal government did not issue the waiver, those tests for graduating seniors need to have been taken. All other regents, they are meeting in March to most likely cancel as the NYSED has control over that. It will mainly effect the 11th and 12 graders for regents, not the younger grades.

Posted 2/23/21 6:52 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol

Posted 2/23/21 10:21 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.

Posted 2/24/21 12:10 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.

Posted 2/24/21 12:32 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



Is it really for the benefit of the school though? Presumably kids will do poorly this year and that won't reflect well on the school.

My DD is too little, but you can bet your buns she'd be taking the test if she were old enough. Anything that can shed light on how horribly hybrid and remote have worked the past year, I'm in. If a bunch of kids doing poorly on a test is what provides the hard data showing that kids need to be in school then it's well worth it to me.

Posted 2/24/21 1:05 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.




They did AP exams remote last year. DS took all of his AP exams from home.

Posted 2/24/21 1:46 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.




They did AP exams remote last year. DS took all of his AP exams from home.



How do they prevent cheating? You can be sitting there looking up all your answers.

Posted 2/24/21 1:51 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

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Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.




They did AP exams remote last year. DS took all of his AP exams from home.



How do they prevent cheating? You can be sitting there looking up all your answers.



The tests are designed to make trying to look up answers actually less productive. Looking up answers is a memorization thing, not a learning thing, so I don't remember what DS said was different, but they focused more on concepts, which is difficult to cheat on. You also have to have your camera on the entire time, so you can't have your older brother, who's a PhD in the subject take your test for you. Chat Icon

Posted 2/24/21 2:01 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.




They did AP exams remote last year. DS took all of his AP exams from home.



How do they prevent cheating? You can be sitting there looking up all your answers.



The tests are designed to make trying to look up answers actually less productive. Looking up answers is a memorization thing, not a learning thing, so I don't remember what DS said was different, but they focused more on concepts, which is difficult to cheat on. You also have to have your camera on the entire time, so you can't have your older brother, who's a PhD in the subject take your test for you. Chat Icon



LOL
Yeah that makes sense.

Posted 2/24/21 2:03 PM
 

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Re: Rosenblum denies testing waiver

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Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by GoldenRod

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by Deeluvsvinny

Posted by blu6385

See how little I know about this. I thought those tests were a state thing!!

Why do parents opt out of these? It’s the first year I have to decide this for my DD and I am not sure why I should care if they take them? Does it go against their grades. Does anyone really look at them that matters (thinking college) but she is in 4th grade no way that go back that far lol



No, these tests do not count for the students, it's more to grade the schools/teachers to see if they've taught the material on the tests. Which is why many people opt out- it has nothing to do with their kid, yet they are taught using methods specifically designed to take/pass these tests and must sit for days taking them- for the benefit of the school. My DD is in 5th- I opted out in 3rd, 4th was cancelled last year and this year....she's fully remote (we are NYC Schools). I cannot imagine how they think this will work.



So how will they administer these tests if kids are still fully remote?
That is ridiculous.




They did AP exams remote last year. DS took all of his AP exams from home.



How do they prevent cheating? You can be sitting there looking up all your answers.



The tests are designed to make trying to look up answers actually less productive. Looking up answers is a memorization thing, not a learning thing, so I don't remember what DS said was different, but they focused more on concepts, which is difficult to cheat on. You also have to have your camera on the entire time, so you can't have your older brother, who's a PhD in the subject take your test for you. Chat Icon



LOL
Yeah that makes sense.



I think they have the cheating prevention thing down to the same or lower level as in-person, but that's for upper HS and college level exams. I don't know how remote testing would work logistically for much younger students. I can foresee a lot more issues with young kids that might not be easy to overcome.

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