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blu6385
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
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Wait so anyone that went on Wednesday knew they were going to be rioting. I have a hard time believing that. Maybe I am naive but you truly think that a public servant who supports trump and did not riot but was found to just go to this rally or whatever everyone is calling it on their own time. Should lose their job/pension? This is a slippery slope, anyone who is may have a differing view will now be shamed? So we are going in the direction of being a country that forces people to renounce the former party in power or get in big “trouble”?
There were 4 directions for everyone to go. Anyone and everyone that decided to storm the Capitol *should* lose their job. If they turned and went in any direction other than into the Capitol, then no.
Protesting outside is not a crime. Storming the Capitol is.
trump incited a riot and acts of domestic terrorism. It's not that hard to denounce him but not your party.
I agree with this. If you were not part of the storming in to the capital and turned around then you didn’t do anything wrong of you were part of you deserve to be arrested and fired.
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muffaboo
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
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LittleDiva
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
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| Posted 1/9/21 8:45 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
You're right, we don't all have to all agree on politics. However, EVERY American without question should agree that what happened on Wednesday was not only sickening but a grave threat to our democracy and the problem is, some many do not. This could have ended SO much worse, what would have happened had they got their hands on Pence? Or Pelosi? Can you imagine if they were dragged from the Capital and publicly beaten or hung?
At this point supporting Trump isn't a matter of political differences, it is a difference in morality and human decency. Anyone who continues to support Trump after this insurrection is akin to being a treasonous traitor themselves. This was the proverbial last straw, I as well as many others can no simply accept someone's support of a man who incited civil war within the country he is suppose to unite and lead.
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
I love a good conversation/debate about differences. I find that I learn a tremendous amount from people with a different viewpoint from my own.
This, and DJT in my opinion are different. I didn't agree with trickle down economics. I engaged in healthy discourse with people who did. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks it is not a problem that our president was on tape saying it's ok to grab women by the *****?
I thought it was wrong that Ronald Reagan couldn't utter the words HIV or AIDS until more than 13,000 Americans were dead from the virus. I have had many conversations about the reasons for his silence, and how the silence of many others was the result of people not caring because those infected were part of a disenfranchised and marginalized population. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks that mask wearing is tyranny, or that the virus is a hoax, and say that if Trump says so, then it is so?
I didn't agree with Bush when he wanted to tap into the oil reserves in the Alaskan Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and I don't agree with Trump opening up the area to drilling either. How can you engage in a healthy discourse about the damage to the environment, when people think climate change, and global warming are a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese??? Where did these crazy ideas come from? TRUMP!!! One of the first things his administration did was wipe all mention of climate change and global warming from all federal websites. Years and years of research summarily removed, followed by an assault on scientists, and then the repeated statement that it wasn't real, it's a hoax, and it's the Chinese. When people believe it, you can't even point to the government research to show that they are being lied to because it's been wiped!
This is not about a healthy debate of ideas, or a disagreement about whether or not abortion should be legal, or if Catholic schools should receive government funding. It's not even a statement to say that ALL Trump supporters are "bad" people. But, if you are OK with his racism, and you are OK with his treatment of women, and you are OK with the leader of the free world making more than 29,000 false or misleading statements, then you (the collective you - not personally directed at any one person) too have blood on your hands for the insurrection that took place at our nation's capitol on Wednesday. This day was 5 years in the making. He said before the election in 2016 that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud, and he spent the ensuing 4 years lying, and signalling to anyone who was paying attention, that he wanted violence, and that he wanted to become a dictator and remain in power as long as he was breathing.
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JennP
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
I love a good conversation/debate about differences. I find that I learn a tremendous amount from people with a different viewpoint from my own.
This, and DJT in my opinion are different. I didn't agree with trickle down economics. I engaged in healthy discourse with people who did. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks it is not a problem that our president was on tape saying it's ok to grab women by the *****?
I thought it was wrong that Ronald Reagan couldn't utter the words HIV or AIDS until more than 13,000 Americans were dead from the virus. I have had many conversations about the reasons for his silence, and how the silence of many others was the result of people not caring because those infected were part of a disenfranchised and marginalized population. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks that mask wearing is tyranny, or that the virus is a hoax, and say that if Trump says so, then it is so?
I didn't agree with Bush when he wanted to tap into the oil reserves in the Alaskan Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and I don't agree with Trump opening up the area to drilling either. How can you engage in a healthy discourse about the damage to the environment, when people think climate change, and global warming are a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese??? Where did these crazy ideas come from? TRUMP!!! One of the first things his administration did was wipe all mention of climate change and global warming from all federal websites. Years and years of research summarily removed, followed by an assault on scientists, and then the repeated statement that it wasn't real, it's a hoax, and it's the Chinese. When people believe it, you can't even point to the government research to show that they are being lied to because it's been wiped!
This is not about a healthy debate of ideas, or a disagreement about whether or not abortion should be legal, or if Catholic schools should receive government funding. It's not even a statement to say that ALL Trump supporters are "bad" people. But, if you are OK with his racism, and you are OK with his treatment of women, and you are OK with the leader of the free world making more than 29,000 false or misleading statements, then you (the collective you - not personally directed at any one person) too have blood on your hands for the insurrection that took place at our nation's capitol on Wednesday. This day was 5 years in the making. He said before the election in 2016 that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud, and he spent the ensuing 4 years lying, and signalling to anyone who was paying attention, that he wanted violence, and that he wanted to become a dictator and remain in power as long as he was breathing.
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muffaboo
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
Wow, lol. So you're preaching that we all won't have the same opinions in life but yet MY opinion is "ridiculous." 
Anyway, this goes so far beyond "not liking him" or having a difference of opinion. This man is a threat to our country. Our democracy. Our safety. Do you not see that? He most definitely needs to be removed from office and barred from ever running again. And it IS maddening that anyone can still support him after everything that has gone on the past 4 years, especially the last few months and, most notably, the past couple of weeks. Of course we will never ALL agree on politics in this country; however, that's not what this is about. I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats in my lifetime. I don't blindly follow anyone, nor do I put party over country. So to me, yes, it is regrettable and maddening that people I know are so blinded by his BS and still support this treasonous asshole.
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muffaboo
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by Hofstra26
At this point supporting Trump isn't a matter of political differences, it is a difference in morality and human decency. Anyone who continues to support Trump after this insurrection is akin to being a treasonous traitor themselves. This was the proverbial last straw, I as well as many others can no simply accept someone's support of a man who incited civil war within the country he is suppose to unite and lead.
Ding, ding, ding!
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muffaboo
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
I love a good conversation/debate about differences. I find that I learn a tremendous amount from people with a different viewpoint from my own.
This, and DJT in my opinion are different. I didn't agree with trickle down economics. I engaged in healthy discourse with people who did. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks it is not a problem that our president was on tape saying it's ok to grab women by the *****?
I thought it was wrong that Ronald Reagan couldn't utter the words HIV or AIDS until more than 13,000 Americans were dead from the virus. I have had many conversations about the reasons for his silence, and how the silence of many others was the result of people not caring because those infected were part of a disenfranchised and marginalized population. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks that mask wearing is tyranny, or that the virus is a hoax, and say that if Trump says so, then it is so?
I didn't agree with Bush when he wanted to tap into the oil reserves in the Alaskan Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and I don't agree with Trump opening up the area to drilling either. How can you engage in a healthy discourse about the damage to the environment, when people think climate change, and global warming are a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese??? Where did these crazy ideas come from? TRUMP!!! One of the first things his administration did was wipe all mention of climate change and global warming from all federal websites. Years and years of research summarily removed, followed by an assault on scientists, and then the repeated statement that it wasn't real, it's a hoax, and it's the Chinese. When people believe it, you can't even point to the government research to show that they are being lied to because it's been wiped!
This is not about a healthy debate of ideas, or a disagreement about whether or not abortion should be legal, or if Catholic schools should receive government funding. It's not even a statement to say that ALL Trump supporters are "bad" people. But, if you are OK with his racism, and you are OK with his treatment of women, and you are OK with the leader of the free world making more than 29,000 false or misleading statements, then you (the collective you - not personally directed at any one person) too have blood on your hands for the insurrection that took place at our nation's capitol on Wednesday. This day was 5 years in the making. He said before the election in 2016 that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud, and he spent the ensuing 4 years lying, and signalling to anyone who was paying attention, that he wanted violence, and that he wanted to become a dictator and remain in power as long as he was breathing.
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Re: FDNY current and retired members were at riot
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by muffaboo
This, unfortunately, does not surprise me at all. I regrettably know many FDNY members, active and retired, that whole heartedly support Trump and think he does no wrong. Even to this day, after he incited an insurrection...they still eat up the shitt he spews. It's maddening.
But this is the problem with America right now. Who cares who they support. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean that people who like him are ALL bad people. Millions voted for him. Saying you Regrettably” know people or that’s it’s maddening is ridiculous
This country will never agree on politics. NEVER. Doesn’t make people bad people for not having the same opinion. We can all look at the sky and see different colors....does that mean one person is wrong and one is right? It’s where you are in that moment that makes you see something differently.
I love a good conversation/debate about differences. I find that I learn a tremendous amount from people with a different viewpoint from my own.
This, and DJT in my opinion are different. I didn't agree with trickle down economics. I engaged in healthy discourse with people who did. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks it is not a problem that our president was on tape saying it's ok to grab women by the *****?
I thought it was wrong that Ronald Reagan couldn't utter the words HIV or AIDS until more than 13,000 Americans were dead from the virus. I have had many conversations about the reasons for his silence, and how the silence of many others was the result of people not caring because those infected were part of a disenfranchised and marginalized population. How can I engage in a healthy discourse with someone who thinks that mask wearing is tyranny, or that the virus is a hoax, and say that if Trump says so, then it is so?
I didn't agree with Bush when he wanted to tap into the oil reserves in the Alaskan Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and I don't agree with Trump opening up the area to drilling either. How can you engage in a healthy discourse about the damage to the environment, when people think climate change, and global warming are a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese??? Where did these crazy ideas come from? TRUMP!!! One of the first things his administration did was wipe all mention of climate change and global warming from all federal websites. Years and years of research summarily removed, followed by an assault on scientists, and then the repeated statement that it wasn't real, it's a hoax, and it's the Chinese. When people believe it, you can't even point to the government research to show that they are being lied to because it's been wiped!
This is not about a healthy debate of ideas, or a disagreement about whether or not abortion should be legal, or if Catholic schools should receive government funding. It's not even a statement to say that ALL Trump supporters are "bad" people. But, if you are OK with his racism, and you are OK with his treatment of women, and you are OK with the leader of the free world making more than 29,000 false or misleading statements, then you (the collective you - not personally directed at any one person) too have blood on your hands for the insurrection that took place at our nation's capitol on Wednesday. This day was 5 years in the making. He said before the election in 2016 that the only way he could lose was if there was fraud, and he spent the ensuing 4 years lying, and signalling to anyone who was paying attention, that he wanted violence, and that he wanted to become a dictator and remain in power as long as he was breathing.
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