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Naturalmama
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Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had severe reactions and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
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Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
I will be rolling up my sleeve to get it as soon as I'm eligible.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
I don't want to start a debate on this but this isn't really accurate info you are posting re: the vaccine. First of all, it will never be proven that the vaccine causes deaths even if it does. That is because it isn't the vaccine itself causing the death but the bodies reaction to the vaccine that causes the issues. There have been stories of deaths even just recently a very pro-vaccine doctor who took the vaccine died from a reaction. Also, 21 people out of the over million are the only ones who had reactions? How can that be? I know at least 10 people myself that had reactions 
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
Everyone is different. No food, drug, or vaccine is safe for everyone. Everyone's bodies are different. No one should give someone medical advice on this site.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
I don't want to start a debate on this but this isn't really accurate info you are posting re: the vaccine. First of all, it will never be proven that the vaccine causes deaths even if it does. That is because it isn't the vaccine itself causing the death but the bodies reaction to the vaccine that causes the issues. There have been stories of deaths even just recently a very pro-vaccine doctor who took the vaccine died from a reaction. Also, 21 people out of the over million are the only ones who had reactions? How can that be? I know at least 10 people myself that had reactions
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
Everyone is different. No food, drug, or vaccine is safe for everyone. Everyone's bodies are different. No one should give someone medical advice on this site.
I was clearly not giving anyone medical advice. I encouraged everyone to do their research from reputable sources before making a decision.
You know 10 people who had anaphalyctic reactions to the vaccine? I find that very hard to believe. I did not mean side effects, they said 21 people had serious reactions that required hospitalization. I am sorry if you don't think the actual data is not accurate.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
I don't want to start a debate on this but this isn't really accurate info you are posting re: the vaccine. First of all, it will never be proven that the vaccine causes deaths even if it does. That is because it isn't the vaccine itself causing the death but the bodies reaction to the vaccine that causes the issues. There have been stories of deaths even just recently a very pro-vaccine doctor who took the vaccine died from a reaction. Also, 21 people out of the over million are the only ones who had reactions? How can that be? I know at least 10 people myself that had reactions
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
Everyone is different. No food, drug, or vaccine is safe for everyone. Everyone's bodies are different. No one should give someone medical advice on this site.
I'm thinking the op means a severe reaction and you mean people you know had side effects. 21 people have had anaphylactic reactions and 17 of those people had a history of anaphylaxis already. I haven't seen any reports of someone dying from the vaccine so feel free to check or share your source there.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/health/covid-vaccines-cdc-allergic-safety-wellness/index.html
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
I don't want to start a debate on this but this isn't really accurate info you are posting re: the vaccine. First of all, it will never be proven that the vaccine causes deaths even if it does. That is because it isn't the vaccine itself causing the death but the bodies reaction to the vaccine that causes the issues. There have been stories of deaths even just recently a very pro-vaccine doctor who took the vaccine died from a reaction. Also, 21 people out of the over million are the only ones who had reactions? How can that be? I know at least 10 people myself that had reactions
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
Everyone is different. No food, drug, or vaccine is safe for everyone. Everyone's bodies are different. No one should give someone medical advice on this site.
I was clearly not giving anyone medical advice. I encouraged everyone to do their research from reputable sources before making a decision.
You know 10 people who had anaphalyctic reactions to the vaccine? I find that very hard to believe. I did not mean side effects, they said 21 people had serious reactions that required hospitalization. I am sorry if you don't think the actual data is not accurate.
I misinterpreted too since what was posted said side effects, not anaphylactic reactions. Everyone I know has had some sort of side effect (Mostly just arm pain but some with flu like symptoms). The side effects are still better than the potential of getting Covid but, there most have some sort of side effect.
ETA - I will be getting the vaccine, I believe it's the best chance to resume normal life. DH got his yesterday and feels like crap. DS 1 wanted to go with him to get one too because he's ready to resume his normal life again.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
I don't want to start a debate on this but this isn't really accurate info you are posting re: the vaccine. First of all, it will never be proven that the vaccine causes deaths even if it does. That is because it isn't the vaccine itself causing the death but the bodies reaction to the vaccine that causes the issues. There have been stories of deaths even just recently a very pro-vaccine doctor who took the vaccine died from a reaction. Also, 21 people out of the over million are the only ones who had reactions? How can that be? I know at least 10 people myself that had reactions
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
Everyone is different. No food, drug, or vaccine is safe for everyone. Everyone's bodies are different. No one should give someone medical advice on this site.
I was clearly not giving anyone medical advice. I encouraged everyone to do their research from reputable sources before making a decision.
You know 10 people who had anaphalyctic reactions to the vaccine? I find that very hard to believe. I did not mean side effects, they said 21 people had serious reactions that required hospitalization. I am sorry if you don't think the actual data is not accurate.
I misinterpreted too since what was posted said side effects, not anaphylactic reactions. Everyone I know has had some sort of side effect (Mostly just arm pain but some with flu like symptoms). The side effects are still better than the potential of getting Covid but, there most have some sort of side effect.
ETA - I will be getting the vaccine, I believe it's the best chance to resume normal life. DH got his yesterday and feels like crap. DS 1 wanted to go with him to get one too because he's ready to resume his normal life again.
Yes, sorry I fixed it. I meant severe reactions, not side effects. I hope your DH feels better soon!
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
I will be getting the vaccine as soon as I am able. However, there was on person who did die from it. An obgyn from Florida
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
I think she meant in California, EMT will not transport you to the hospital if your Covid survival rate is low. EMT are making the decision if you should go to the hospital. It’s been all over the news but Trumps tantrum and domestic terrorism on this country has overshadowed that story.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
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Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
I think she meant in California, EMT will not transport you to the hospital if your Covid survival rate is low. EMT are making the decision if you should go to the hospital. It’s been all over the news but Trumps tantrum and domestic terrorism on this country has overshadowed that story.
When I googled it I couldn't find that anyone died, just that it is the order. California is crazy, they have had so many restrictions for so long, you'd think they would be better prepared. So sad.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
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Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
I think she meant in California, EMT will not transport you to the hospital if your Covid survival rate is low. EMT are making the decision if you should go to the hospital. It’s been all over the news but Trumps tantrum and domestic terrorism on this country has overshadowed that story.
When I googled it I couldn't find that anyone died, just that it is the order. California is crazy, they have had so many restrictions for so long, you'd think they would be better prepared. So sad.
Yes, they aren’t dying in Ambulances unless she is referring to something else.
Very poor planning from California. We can keep blaming Federal government which is accurate because we basically don’t have one right now. But the states are dropping the ball as well. They don’t have enough beds per capita is the issue. That is why Fl isn’t as bad as Cali in terms of hospitals even though they are business as usual.
Eta: I know Cuomo decided to keep the make shift hospitals that we didn’t use in March just in case.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Naturalmama
I know many people are on the fence with the vaccine, and it is understandable. I just wanted to share this info from the CDC. In the month of December, 1.8 million people received the covid vaccine. 21 had side effects and there were 0 deaths. In the month of December, 6.4 million people tested positive for Covid, 77,000 of them died. In one month. Hospitals in many states are collapsing and leaving people to die in ambulances. This is not to pressure you to get the vaccine. This is to remind people that the "Covid has a 99% survival rate" is getting old and is not a legitimate argument. Get the vaccine. Don't get the vaccine. But do your research from reputable and scientific sources before making that decision. Make sure you understand the ramifications of the virus. Good luck everyone.
Also, if the vaccine is so safe they why do the companies need to be completely exempt from liability? Is there any other medical product where this is the case
No. Vaccines are the only products that do not have liability.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
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Posted by HeyJude
Posted by Sash
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
I think she meant in California, EMT will not transport you to the hospital if your Covid survival rate is low. EMT are making the decision if you should go to the hospital. It’s been all over the news but Trumps tantrum and domestic terrorism on this country has overshadowed that story.
When I googled it I couldn't find that anyone died, just that it is the order. California is crazy, they have had so many restrictions for so long, you'd think they would be better prepared. So sad.
Yes, they aren’t dying in Ambulances unless she is referring to something else.
Very poor planning from California. We can keep blaming Federal government which is accurate because we basically don’t have one right now. But the states are dropping the ball as well. They don’t have enough beds per capita is the issue. That is why Fl isn’t as bad as Cali in terms of hospitals even though they are business as usual.
Eta: I know Cuomo decided to keep the make shift hospitals that we didn’t use in March just in case.
I read in England they are dying in ambulances.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Sash
Posted by HeyJude
Posted by Sash
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
I think she meant in California, EMT will not transport you to the hospital if your Covid survival rate is low. EMT are making the decision if you should go to the hospital. It’s been all over the news but Trumps tantrum and domestic terrorism on this country has overshadowed that story.
When I googled it I couldn't find that anyone died, just that it is the order. California is crazy, they have had so many restrictions for so long, you'd think they would be better prepared. So sad.
Yes, they aren’t dying in Ambulances unless she is referring to something else.
Very poor planning from California. We can keep blaming Federal government which is accurate because we basically don’t have one right now. But the states are dropping the ball as well. They don’t have enough beds per capita is the issue. That is why Fl isn’t as bad as Cali in terms of hospitals even though they are business as usual.
Eta: I know Cuomo decided to keep the make shift hospitals that we didn’t use in March just in case.
I read in England they are dying in ambulances.
Ahh ok, i think we assumed US since you said states. But sadly in the state of our country, it wouldn’t even be inconceivable that it was actually happening.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55549037
Ambulance workers in Los Angeles County, California, have been told not to transport hospital patients that have extremely low chances of survival.
The directive comes as officials say the region could soon hit over 1,000 Covid-related deaths per day, and hospitals are overrun with patients.
Emergency workers have also been told to ration oxygen, which is in short supply due to the pandemic.
Hospital beds in LA are running low and officials fear a post-holiday spike.
New York City issued a similar directive to ambulance workers in April 2020 at the height of the city's Covid outbreak, instructing them not to bring in patients who were unable to be resuscitated at the scene.
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No mention of deaths, just the transport order.
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Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55549037
Ambulance workers in Los Angeles County, California, have been told not to transport hospital patients that have extremely low chances of survival.
The directive comes as officials say the region could soon hit over 1,000 Covid-related deaths per day, and hospitals are overrun with patients.
Emergency workers have also been told to ration oxygen, which is in short supply due to the pandemic.
Hospital beds in LA are running low and officials fear a post-holiday spike.
New York City issued a similar directive to ambulance workers in April 2020 at the height of the city's Covid outbreak, instructing them not to bring in patients who were unable to be resuscitated at the scene.
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No mention of deaths, just the transport order.
It is happening in England, not California. My mistake.
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Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
I'm getting the vaccine tomorrow
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by GoldenRod
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55549037
Ambulance workers in Los Angeles County, California, have been told not to transport hospital patients that have extremely low chances of survival.
The directive comes as officials say the region could soon hit over 1,000 Covid-related deaths per day, and hospitals are overrun with patients.
Emergency workers have also been told to ration oxygen, which is in short supply due to the pandemic.
Hospital beds in LA are running low and officials fear a post-holiday spike.
New York City issued a similar directive to ambulance workers in April 2020 at the height of the city's Covid outbreak, instructing them not to bring in patients who were unable to be resuscitated at the scene.
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No mention of deaths, just the transport order.
I feel like this was the case in NYC too in the spring. That order Not sure what the outcomes were.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders. 
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders.
Why is it so bad there when they have some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation?
What is going on?
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders.
Why is it so bad there when they have some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation?
What is going on?
Good question! They’re way more strict than NY. U’d also think they’d be better prepared considering they had it really bad the first time.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders.
Why is it so bad there when they have some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation?
What is going on?
Good question! They’re way more strict than NY. U’d also think they’d be better prepared considering they had it really bad the first time.
Well we know their governor is incompetent. I saw that they are up to 1 million signatures on his recall petition. LOL
Newsom Recall Petition reaches 1 million
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
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Posted by chilltocam
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders.
Why is it so bad there when they have some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation?
What is going on?
My guess, and it really is just a guess, is more in home get togethers with no distancing and no masks. With everything shut down, that what people do.
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Re: Saw these statistics today and just putting it out there
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by HeyJude
Leaving people to die in ambulances? Oh my gosh that is terrible! Where is this?
Hospitals in CA are so overrun that they are on the brink of having to "ration care" - decide who to treat and who not to, based on the chances of survival. It's almost to the point where Drs really have to play God. That is a heavy load to place on someone's shoulders.
Why is it so bad there when they have some of the strictest lockdowns in the nation?
What is going on?
I wonder if part of it is that they're surrounded by states that are not locked down so people just travel there. That and I'm sure there are still plenty of social gatherings in people's homes which is where it tends to spread.
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