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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by LittleDiva
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
I personally agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. I was just stating what the guidelines say. In my own opinion, I think they are going to be very strict on mandates and protocols until they see what the fall brings. Everyone is afraid of the flu season and then Covid getting out of control. Once we get through the thick of that, I think they will begin to let up some of the "rules".
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LittleDiva
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by KarenK122
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Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
I personally agree with you. I think it's ridiculous. I was just stating what the guidelines say. In my own opinion, I think they are going to be very strict on mandates and protocols until they see what the fall brings. Everyone is afraid of the flu season and then Covid getting out of control. Once we get through the thick of that, I think they will begin to let up some of the "rules".
I don’t mind them being strict. I’m excited my kids are going back, but I am hoping they carry out everything they promised so that we don’t have an outbreak.
But I still worry (the purpose of the post Originally) that we won’t go back because too many districts that can’t due to size or money will complain that it’s not right that some go back and some don’t.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
The guidelines are just that - guidelines. Totally separate from how they’re actually being implemented. All I am saying is that schools have to consider everything and – only speaking from my own district – the way they are talking about using every inch of space for instruction I just want to make sure someone has checked that box to make sure there’s ample room to hold the sick students.
If the guidelines are not met the schools will not open. Just like all the other guidelines that some down from the SED that schools must abide too. Did you ask your district? All of things need to be in place. You just have not seen the plans yet. Instead of everyone complaining, ask for the plans. Then if they are not complying, feel free to demand they do.
I have seen the plans and still have concerns and know how to address them. We actually have a virtual meeting tonight (home district.)
I do understand what you are saying about seeing something concrete vs. complaining on the internet, but my point is more general: Taking LIF as a microcosm of the general population, I'm concerned about the amount of attention being paid to actual boots on the ground concrete needs because there are literally people on here saying to not ask too many questions. Again, talking in general because I am thinking about all kids (not just home or work district.)
Not considering important questions will get us the opposite of what "in school" advocates seem to want because we'll be remote again by October if things are overlooked.
I really don't have an agenda here because I'm still torn although I lean remote. I do have a lot of equity concerns about remote learning.
But one of the reasons I lean remote is because if this isn't done right and the plans aren't feasible we'll be remote again quickly and I would rather just start this way from the beginning.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by KarenK122
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Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
Exactly and all stores we shop at have had positive cases and they don’t close up even though that person came in contact with many others.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
DOH is considering in low risk due to social distancing and masks.
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Christine2
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Christine2
Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
The guidelines are just that - guidelines. Totally separate from how they’re actually being implemented. All I am saying is that schools have to consider everything and – only speaking from my own district – the way they are talking about using every inch of space for instruction I just want to make sure someone has checked that box to make sure there’s ample room to hold the sick students.
If the guidelines are not met the schools will not open. Just like all the other guidelines that some down from the SED that schools must abide too. Did you ask your district? All of things need to be in place. You just have not seen the plans yet. Instead of everyone complaining, ask for the plans. Then if they are not complying, feel free to demand they do.
I have seen the plans and still have concerns and know how to address them. We actually have a virtual meeting tonight (home district.)
I do understand what you are saying about seeing something concrete vs. complaining on the internet, but my point is more general: Taking LIF as a microcosm of the general population, I'm concerned about the amount of attention being paid to actual boots on the ground concrete needs because there are literally people on here saying to not ask too many questions. Again, talking in general because I am thinking about all kids (not just home or work district.)
Not considering important questions will get us the opposite of what "in school" advocates seem to want because we'll be remote again by October if things are overlooked.
I really don't have an agenda here because I'm still torn although I lean remote. I do have a lot of equity concerns about remote learning.
But one of the reasons I lean remote is because if this isn't done right and the plans aren't feasible we'll be remote again quickly and I would rather just start this way from the beginning.
The fear many parents have about remote is that is was disappointingly inadequate. I pray that the districts are working on how to teach and improve teachers if they go remote next year. Have teachers been taught anything in the past few months? How are parents to be assured their children will learn?
How will/can they hold children accountable? The kids had no tests and no reports. There was no live teaching, no pre-recorded lessons - nada Everything was just "pass," not even an end of the year commentary on how the child did with remote learning (just a stock paragraph that the last semester was remote). The state cancelled the Regents, the Common core tests, etc - will everything just be cancelled again?
Is this just going to be a lost year? Someone told me that because i want my child to return to school I just "don't give a shit." That is the furthest from the truth! I am not confident nor have I been given answers on how remote will be a viable alternative to live teaching.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
Your job consists of adults who can socially distance at all times and wear masks. That just isn’t as realistic to expect with young kids and/or some kids with special needs. How many kids are going to not wear their masks properly at times, touch their face, etc? What about when they’re eating or drinking? As frustrating as it may be, it’s a responsible action to quarantine a cohort when someone in there tests positive in order to reduce the spread.
There are plenty of adults who can’t follow the rules. I work for a large company and where people have been in close contact (at least 15 minutes without the proper PPE or social distancing) with someone who tests positive or with someone whose household member tests positive, they are quarantined. I think being proactive and cautious has kept our numbers much lower and the positive cases contained. Continuing to send kids to school after one of the kids in their classroom tested positive IMO is irresponsible.
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School district plans....education inequality?
I will be the first one to send my children back to school- but if their school was only sending home a note for COVID, with no quarantining of the class? I would have serious problems with that and would reconsider sending them. This is not head lice or strep, or anything else that schools send those notes home for. It is irresponsible.
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LittleDiva
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
Your job consists of adults who can socially distance at all times and wear masks. That just isn’t as realistic to expect with young kids and/or some kids with special needs. How many kids are going to not wear their masks properly at times, touch their face, etc? What about when they’re eating or drinking? As frustrating as it may be, it’s a responsible action to quarantine a cohort when someone in there tests positive in order to reduce the spread.
There are plenty of adults who can’t follow the rules. I work for a large company and where people have been in close contact (at least 15 minutes without the proper PPE or social distancing) with someone who tests positive or with someone whose household member tests positive, they are quarantined. I think being proactive and cautious has kept our numbers much lower and the positive cases contained. Continuing to send kids to school after one of the kids in their classroom tested positive IMO is irresponsible.
What do you think about kids in the infected class that have siblings in that school or other schools within the district? Should they quarantine too? Does it stop there?
I’m genuinely curious to hear opinions bc the more I hear the more I’m thinking they won’t open. Again, my district came out with a nice plan *if* they are able to follow it. I would hope 13/14 kids in a class they would be able too.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
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Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
Your job consists of adults who can socially distance at all times and wear masks. That just isn’t as realistic to expect with young kids and/or some kids with special needs. How many kids are going to not wear their masks properly at times, touch their face, etc? What about when they’re eating or drinking? As frustrating as it may be, it’s a responsible action to quarantine a cohort when someone in there tests positive in order to reduce the spread.
There are plenty of adults who can’t follow the rules. I work for a large company and where people have been in close contact (at least 15 minutes without the proper PPE or social distancing) with someone who tests positive or with someone whose household member tests positive, they are quarantined. I think being proactive and cautious has kept our numbers much lower and the positive cases contained. Continuing to send kids to school after one of the kids in their classroom tested positive IMO is irresponsible.
What do you think about kids in the infected class that have siblings in that school or other schools within the district? Should they quarantine too? Does it stop there?
I’m genuinely curious to hear opinions bc the more I hear the more I’m thinking they won’t open. Again, my district came out with a nice plan *if* they are able to follow it. I would hope 13/14 kids in a class they would be able too.
If you’ve been in contact with a confirmed positive case for 15+ minutes, I thought you were suppose to quarantine for 14 days. A sibling wouldn’t fit this unless their sibling tested positive.
They just shut down a daycare near me for 14 days due to 7 positive cases. Most were asymptomatic.
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If it's true that you're contagious before you show symptoms, and that you can have no fever or symptoms and still carry the virus, and that testing takes time to complete and confirm, then I don't understand how the rules we are discussing protect anyone.
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
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Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
It just doesn’t make sense to me. My job had someone test positive and no one had to self quarantine because we all socially distance and wear masks, plus we have a cleaning crew that was hired to disinfect the office. That’s the whole point of doing those things. The line has to be drawn somewhere. I strongly feel that if you are doing all these things there is no reason for an entire class to quarantine. We will never get back to “normal”. How are districts getting away with it too? The question was specifically asked during the board meeting.
Your job consists of adults who can socially distance at all times and wear masks. That just isn’t as realistic to expect with young kids and/or some kids with special needs. How many kids are going to not wear their masks properly at times, touch their face, etc? What about when they’re eating or drinking? As frustrating as it may be, it’s a responsible action to quarantine a cohort when someone in there tests positive in order to reduce the spread.
There are plenty of adults who can’t follow the rules. I work for a large company and where people have been in close contact (at least 15 minutes without the proper PPE or social distancing) with someone who tests positive or with someone whose household member tests positive, they are quarantined. I think being proactive and cautious has kept our numbers much lower and the positive cases contained. Continuing to send kids to school after one of the kids in their classroom tested positive IMO is irresponsible.
What do you think about kids in the infected class that have siblings in that school or other schools within the district? Should they quarantine too? Does it stop there?
I’m genuinely curious to hear opinions bc the more I hear the more I’m thinking they won’t open. Again, my district came out with a nice plan *if* they are able to follow it. I would hope 13/14 kids in a class they would be able too.
That’s one of the things I’m curious about and why I think it’s only a matter of time before the schools shut down again. A conservative approach would be to quarantine siblings of the kids in the class with the positive case. It would probably stop there if no one else was showing any symptoms. The siblings of the student who actually tested positive should also be quarantined. Should those classes be quarantined too just in case the siblings of the infected person are asymptomatic?
What’s the protocol if a teacher or staff member is positive? Or a household member? What if the teacher who tests positive is a specials teacher who travels from classroom to classroom?
There are so many unknowns that districts need to plan for and no one has a going to be totally satisfied with how things are handled. While I’m planning on sending my kids back to school, I also recognize that even one positive in a school can have a profound effect on the ability of the school to remain open and keep kids and staff safe.
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All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
The guidelines are just that - guidelines. Totally separate from how they’re actually being implemented. All I am saying is that schools have to consider everything and – only speaking from my own district – the way they are talking about using every inch of space for instruction I just want to make sure someone has checked that box to make sure there’s ample room to hold the sick students.
If the guidelines are not met the schools will not open. Just like all the other guidelines that some down from the SED that schools must abide too. Did you ask your district? All of things need to be in place. You just have not seen the plans yet. Instead of everyone complaining, ask for the plans. Then if they are not complying, feel free to demand they do.
I have seen the plans and still have concerns and know how to address them. We actually have a virtual meeting tonight (home district.)
I do understand what you are saying about seeing something concrete vs. complaining on the internet, but my point is more general: Taking LIF as a microcosm of the general population, I'm concerned about the amount of attention being paid to actual boots on the ground concrete needs because there are literally people on here saying to not ask too many questions. Again, talking in general because I am thinking about all kids (not just home or work district.)
Not considering important questions will get us the opposite of what "in school" advocates seem to want because we'll be remote again by October if things are overlooked.
I really don't have an agenda here because I'm still torn although I lean remote. I do have a lot of equity concerns about remote learning.
But one of the reasons I lean remote is because if this isn't done right and the plans aren't feasible we'll be remote again quickly and I would rather just start this way from the beginning.
The fear many parents have about remote is that is was disappointingly inadequate. I pray that the districts are working on how to teach and improve teachers if they go remote next year. Have teachers been taught anything in the past few months? How are parents to be assured their children will learn?
How will/can they hold children accountable? The kids had no tests and no reports. There was no live teaching, no pre-recorded lessons - nada Everything was just "pass," not even an end of the year commentary on how the child did with remote learning (just a stock paragraph that the last semester was remote). The state cancelled the Regents, the Common core tests, etc - will everything just be cancelled again?
Is this just going to be a lost year? Someone told me that because i want my child to return to school I just "don't give a shit." That is the furthest from the truth! I am not confident nor have I been given answers on how remote will be a viable alternative to live teaching.
I truly understand your concerns. My home district was also very disappointing. My work school, on the other hand, did a phenomenal job - live instruction for several hours a day, etc. - which fueled my own frustration because I knew what was possible.
See what your district has to say because I was not the only pissed off parent and after getting tons of feedback my district is promising to do live instruction. What they've proposed academically is satisfactory to me at the moment.
I know from other posts that we view the danger of the virus differently and I don't wish to rehash that there. For me, it's about the unknowns. I don't know what we averted when we all shut down mid March. No one does. I would rather my son lose a year or half a year and be alive than get back to the books right away and something horrible happens.
Speaking of "losing a year" - I say meh. All the goalposts, every single one, are arbitrary. I'm not saying the academic skills aren't important - obviously they are - but I am saying the pace at which they move through them has plenty of wiggle room. Teachers will get them caught up. That is their area of expertise.
The Regents would be the last thing I would care about next to those BS state tests. It's not like not having them held students back from graduating and there are plenty of other ways to assess students. I could go on about this, but really, the Regents are useless.
Health and education aside, the logistical gymnastics of some of the proposed solutions to the problems presented sound awfully detrimental. Several of them involved being in and out of the building at the drop of a hat. No. Just no.
I wish we could phase in a return to school the way we did with society.
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School district plans....education inequality?
I came across this circulating around. Not looking for people to rip it apart....its tiring at this point. Just some food for thought...
Parents of school aged children, food for thought.
“For anyone trying to make the decision between physical or virtual school for themselves or their children:
Best argument for virtual school I have read, written by a dad. It's long.....but dang, it made me think a LOT. He takes every argument and recontextualizes it with appropriate analogies. The last four paragraphs are the chilling clincher. Every school district in the world is having these discussions RIGHT NOW - or they should be......”
Written by a dad in Fairfax county read.
From Joe Morice, daughters in 8th & 10th grade in our Centreville Pyramid:
To our fellow FCPS families, this is it gang, 5 days until the 2 days in school vs. 100% virtual decision. Let’s talk it out, in my traditional mammoth TL/DR form.
Like all of you, I’ve seen my feed become a flood of anxiety and faux expertise. You’ll get no presumption of expertise here. This is how I am looking at and considering this issue and the positions people have taken in my feed and in the hundred or so FCPS discussion groups that have popped up. The lead comments in quotes are taken directly from my feed and those boards. Sometimes I try to rationalize them. Sometimes I’m just punching back at the void.
Full disclosure, we initially chose the 2 days option and are now having serious reservations. As I consider the positions and arguments I see in my feed, these are where my mind goes. Of note, when I started working on this piece at 12:19 PM today the COVID death tally in the United States stood at 133,420.
*****“My kids want to go back to school.”*****
I challenge that position. I believe what the kids desire is more abstract. I believe what they want is a return to normalcy. They want their idea of yesterday. And yesterday isn’t on the menu.
*****“I want my child in school so they can socialize.”*****
This was the principle reason for our 2 days decision. As I think more on it though, what do we think ‘social’ will look like? There aren’t going to be any lunch table groups, any lockers, any recess games, any study halls, any sitting next to friends, any talking to people in the hallway, any dances. All of that is off the menu. So, when we say that we want the kids to benefit from the social experience, what are we deluding ourselves into thinking in-building socialization will actually look like in the Fall?
*****“My kid is going to be left behind.”*****
Left behind who? The entire country is grappling with the same issue, leaving all children in the same quagmire. Who exactly would they be behind? I believe the rhetorical answer to that is “They’ll be behind where they should be,” to which I’ll counter that “where they should be” is a fictional goal post that we as a society have taken as gospel because it maps to standardized tests which are used to grade schools and counties as they chase funding.
*****“Classrooms are safe.”*****
At the current distancing guidelines from FCPS middle and high schools would have no more than 12 people (teachers + students) in a classroom (I acknowledge this number may change as FCPS considers the Commonwealth’s 3 ft with a mask vs. 6 ft position, noting that FCPS is all mask regardless of the distance). For the purpose of this discussion we’ll say classes run 45 minutes.
I posed the following question to 40 people today, representing professional and management roles in corporations, government agencies, and military commands: “Would your company or command have a 12 person, 45 minute meeting in a conference room?”
100% of them said no, they would not. These are some of their answers:
“No. Until further notice we are on Zoom.”
“(Our company) doesn’t allow us in (company space).”
“Oh hell no.”
“No absolutely not.”
“Is there a percentage lower than zero?”
“Something of that size would be virtual.”
We do not even consider putting our office employees into the same situation we are contemplating putting our children into. And let’s drive this point home: there are instances here when commanding officers will not put soldiers, ACTUAL SOLDIERS, into the kind of indoor environment we’re contemplating for our children. For me this is as close to a ‘kill shot’ argument as there is in this entire debate. How do we work from home because buildings with recycled air are not safe, because we don’t trust other people to not spread the virus, and then with the same breath send our children into buildings?
*****“Children only die .0016 of the time.”*****
First, conceding we’re an increasingly morally bankrupt society, but when did we start talking about children’s lives, or anyone’s lives, like this? This how the villain in movies talks about mortality, usually 10-15 minutes before the good guy kills him.
If you’re in this camp, and I acknowledge that many, many people are, I’m asking you to consider that number from a slightly different angle.
FCPS has 189,000 children. .0016 of that is 302. 302 dead children are the Calvary Hill you’re erecting your argument on. So, let’s agree to do this: stop presenting this as a data point. If this is your argument, I challenge you to have courage equal to your conviction. Go ahead, plant a flag on the internet and say, “Only 302 children will die.” No one will. That’s the kind action on social media that gets you fired from your job. And I trust our social media enclave isn’t so careless and irresponsible with life that it would even, for even a millisecond, enter any of your minds to make such an argument.
Considered another way: You’re presented with a bag with 189,000 $1 bills. You’re told that in the bag are 302 random bills, they look and feel just like all the others, but each one of those bills will kill you. Do you take the money out of the bag?
Same argument, applied to the 12,487 teachers in FCPS (per Wikipedia), using the ‘children’s multiplier’ of .0016 (all of us understanding the adult mortality rate is higher). That’s 20 teachers. That’s the number you’re talking about. It’s very easy to sit behind a keyboard and diminish and dismiss the risk you’re advocating other people assume. Take a breath and think about that.
If you want to advocate for 2 days a week, look, I’m looking for someone to convince me. But please, for the love of God, drop things like this from your argument. Because the people I know who’ve said things like this, I know they’re better people than this. They’re good people under incredible stress who let things slip out as their frustration boils over. So, please do the right thing and move on from this, because one potential outcome is that one day, you’re going to have to stand in front of St. Peter and answer for this, and that’s not going to be conversation you enjoy.
*****“Hardly any kids get COVID.”*****
(Deep sigh) Yes, that is statistically true as of this writing. But it is a cherry-picked argument because you’re leaving out an important piece.
One can reasonably argue that, due to the school closures in March, children have had the least EXPOSURE to COVID. In other words, closing schools was the one pandemic mitigation action we took that worked. There can be no discussion of the rate of diagnosis within children without also acknowledging they were among our fastest and most quarantined people. Put another way, you cannot cite the effect without acknowledging the cause.
*****“The flu kills more people every year.”*****
(Deep sigh). First of all, no, it doesn’t. Per the CDC, United States flu deaths average 20,000 annually. COVID, when I start writing here today, has killed 133,420 in six months.
And when you mention the flu, do you mean the disease that, if you’re suspected of having it, everyone, literally everyone in the country tells you stay the f- away from other people? You mean the one where parents are pretty sure their kids have it but send them to school anyway because they have a meeting that day, the one that every year causes massive f-ing outbreaks in schools because schools are petri dishes and it causes kids to miss weeks of school and leaves them out of sports and band for a month? That one? Because you’re right - the flu kills people every year. It does, but you’re ignoring the why. It’s because there are people who are a--holes who don’t care about infecting other people. In that regard it’s a perfect comparison to COVID.
*****“Almost everyone recovers.”*****
You’re confusing “release from the hospital” and “no longer infected” with “recovered.” I’m fortunate to only know two people who have had COVID. One my age and one my dad’s age. The one my age described it as “absolute hell” and although no longer infected cannot breathe right. The one my dad’s age was in the hospital for 13 weeks, had to have a trach ring put in because she could no longer be on a ventilator, and upon finally getting home and being faced with incalculable time in rehab told my mother, “I wish I had died.”
While I’m making every effort to reach objectivity, on this particular point, you don’t know what the f- you’re talking about.
*****“If people get sick, they get sick.”*****
First, you mistyped. What you intended to say was “If OTHER people get sick, they get sick.” And shame on you.
*****“I’m not going to live my life in fear.”*****
You already live your life in fear. For your health, your family’s health, your job, your retirement, terrorists, extremists, one political party or the other being in power, the new neighbors, an unexpected home repair, the next sunrise. What you meant to say was, “I’m not prepared to add ANOTHER fear,” and I’ve got news for you: that ship has sailed. It’s too late. There are two kinds of people, and only two: those that admit they’re afraid, and those that are lying to themselves about it.
As to the fear argument, fear is the reason you wait up when your kids stay out late, it’s the reason you tell your kids not to dive in the shallow water, to look both ways before crossing the road. Fear is the respect for the wide world that we teach our children. Except in this instance, for reasons no one has been able to explain to me yet.
*****“FCPS leadership sucks.”*****
I will summarize my view of the School Board thusly: if the 12 of you aren’t getting into a room together because it represents a risk, don’t tell me it’s OK for our kids. I understand your arguments, that we need the 2 days option for parents who can’t work from home, kids who don’t have internet or computer access, kids who needs meals from the school system, kids who need extra support to learn, and most tragically for kids who are at greater risk of abuse by being home. All very serious, all very real issues, all heartbreaking. No argument.
But you must first lead by example. Because you’re failing when it comes to optics. All your meetings are online. What our children see is all of you on a Zoom telling them it’s OK for them to be exactly where you aren’t. I understand you’re not PR people, but you really should think about hiring some.
*****“I talked it over with my kids.”*****
Let’s put aside for a moment the concept of adults effectively deferring this decision to children, the same children who will continue to stuff things into a full trash can rather than change it out. Yes, those hygienic children.
Listen, my 15 year old daughter wants a sport car, which she’s not getting next year because it would be dangerous to her and to others. Those kinds of decisions are our job. We step in and decide as parents, we don’t let them expose themselves to risks because their still developing and screen addicted brains narrow their understanding of cause and effect.
We as parents and adults serve to make difficult decisions. Sometimes those are in the form of lessons, where we try to steer kids towards the right answer and are willing to let them make a mistake in the hopes of teaching better decision making the next time around. This is not one of those moments. The stakes are too high for that. This is a “the adults are talking” moment. Kids are not mature enough for this moment. That is not an attack on your child. It is a broad statement about all children. It is true of your children and it was true when we were children. We need to be doing that thinking here, and “Johnny wants to see Bobby at school” cannot be the prevailing element in the equation.
*****“The teachers need to do their job.”*****
How is it that the same society which abruptly shifted to virtual students only three months ago, and offered glowing endorsements of teachers stating, “we finally understand how difficult your job is,” has now shifted to “screw you, do your job.” There are myriad problems with that position but for the purposes of this piece let’s simply go with, “You’re not looking for a teacher, you’re looking for the babysitter you feel your property tax payment entitles you to.”
*****“Teachers have a greater chance to being killed by a car than they do of dying from COVID.”*****
(Eye roll) Per the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS), the U.S. see approximately 36,000 auto fatalities a year. Again, there have been 133,420 COVID deaths in the United States through 12:09 July 10, 2020. So no, they do not have a great chance of being killed in a car accident.
And, if you want to take the actual environment into consideration, the odds of a teacher being killed in a car accident in their classroom, you know, the environment we’re actually talking about, that’s right around 0%.
*****“If the grocery store workers can be onsite what are the teachers afraid of?”*****
(Deep breath) A grocery store worker, who absolutely risks exposure, has either six feet of space or a plexiglass shield between them and individual adult customers who can grasp their own mortality whose transactions can be completed in moments, in a 40,000 SF space.
A teacher is with 11 ‘customers’ who have not an inkling what mortality is, for 45 minutes, in a 675 SF space, six times a day.
Just stop.
*****“Teachers are choosing remote because they don’t want to work.”*****
(Deep breaths) Many teachers are opting to be remote. That is not a vacation. They’re requesting to do their job at a safer site. Just like many, many people who work in buildings with recycled air have done. And likely the building you’re not going into has a newer and better serviced air system than our schools.
Of greater interest to me is the number of teachers choosing the 100% virtual option for their children. The people who spend the most time in the buildings are the same ones electing not to send their children into those buildings. That’s something I pay attention to.
*****“I wasn’t prepared to be a parent 24/7” and “I just need a break.”*****
I truly, deeply respect that honesty. Truth be told, both arguments have crossed my mind. Pre COVID, I routinely worked from home 1 – 2 days a week. The solace was nice. When I was in the office, I had an actual office, a room with a door I could close, where I could focus. During the quarantine that hasn’t always been the case. I’ve been frustrated, I’ve been short, I’ve gone to just take a drive and get the hell away for a moment and been disgusted when one of the kids sees me and asks me to come for a ride, robbing me of those minutes of silence. You want to hear silence. I get it. I really, really do.
Here’s another version of that, admittedly extreme. What if one of our kids becomes one of the 302? What’s that silence going to sound like? What if you have one of those matted frames where you add the kid’s school picture every year? What if you don’t get to finish the pictures?
*****“What does your gut tell you to do?”*****
Shawn and I have talked ad infinitum about all of these and other points. Two days ago, at mid-discussion I said, “Stop, right now, gut answer, what is it,” and we both said, “virtual.”
A lot of the arguments I hear people making for the 2 days sound like we’re trying to talk ourselves into ignoring our instincts, they are almost exclusively, “We’re doing 2 days, but…”. There’s a fantastic book by Gavin de Becker, The Gift of Fear, which I’ll minimize for you thusly: your gut instinct is a hardwired part of your brain and you should listen to it. In the introduction he talks about elevators, and how, of all living things, humans are the only ones that would voluntarily get into a soundproof steel box with a potential predator just so they could skip a flight of stairs.
I keep thinking that the 2 days option is the soundproof steel box. I welcome, damn, beg, anyone to convince me otherwise.
At the time I started writing at 12:09 PM, 133,420 Americans had died from COVID. Upon completing this draft at 7:04 PM, that number rose to 133,940.
520 Americans died of COVID while I was working on this. In seven hours.
The length of a school day. #302
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
Sadly, they don't always go home. We have had parents argue with our school nurse that their child is fine while the motrin wore off and the kid is now miserable sitting in her office with 102 fever. Some parents just DON'T care! Or parents who put emergency contacts that don't drive so they are pretty much useless. My favorite is the sub nurse who sends kids back to the class to wait for their parents because she had no room in the office.
That's my concern with going back. I know I can take all the precautions I can but it's some of the other parents who I don't trust.
Think about driving. You don't drink and drive. You don't text and drive. You don't do drugs and drive. You don't run red lights and stop signs. You don't speed. But other people do. And when they do, they put YOU in jeopardy. You can do all the right things but that doesn't mean you are safe on the road because it's the OTHERS who don't give a rat's a$$ about you. You don't matter in their world.
For every parent who will do the right thing and take precautions and deal with inconveniences of picking their sick kid up, there is another who will knowingly send their sick kid to school and not bat an eye.
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| Posted 7/28/20 10:34 AM |
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by MissJones
Sadly, they don't always go home. We have had parents argue with our school nurse that their child is fine while the motrin wore off and the kid is now miserable sitting in her office with 102 fever. Some parents just DON'T care! Or parents who put emergency contacts that don't drive so they are pretty much useless. My favorite is the sub nurse who sends kids back to the class to wait for their parents because she had no room in the office.
That's my concern with going back. I know I can take all the precautions I can but it's some of the other parents who I don't trust.
Think about driving. You don't drink and drive. You don't text and drive. You don't do drugs and drive. You don't run red lights and stop signs. You don't speed. But other people do. And when they do, they put YOU in jeopardy. You can do all the right things but that doesn't mean you are safe on the road because it's the OTHERS who don't give a rat's a$$ about you. You don't matter in their world.
For every parent who will do the right thing and take precautions and deal with inconveniences of picking their sick kid up, there is another who will knowingly send their sick kid to school and not bat an eye.
ITA!!! This is so true. But with this, they must have stricter protocols. and people must care more. They won't, I know. But they should.
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| Posted 7/28/20 11:28 AM |
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jaykaylol
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by MissJones
Sadly, they don't always go home. We have had parents argue with our school nurse that their child is fine while the motrin wore off and the kid is now miserable sitting in her office with 102 fever. Some parents just DON'T care! Or parents who put emergency contacts that don't drive so they are pretty much useless. My favorite is the sub nurse who sends kids back to the class to wait for their parents because she had no room in the office.
That's my concern with going back. I know I can take all the precautions I can but it's some of the other parents who I don't trust.
Think about driving. You don't drink and drive. You don't text and drive. You don't do drugs and drive. You don't run red lights and stop signs. You don't speed. But other people do. And when they do, they put YOU in jeopardy. You can do all the right things but that doesn't mean you are safe on the road because it's the OTHERS who don't give a rat's a$$ about you. You don't matter in their world.
For every parent who will do the right thing and take precautions and deal with inconveniences of picking their sick kid up, there is another who will knowingly send their sick kid to school and not bat an eye.
This 100000%. And I’m in a high school where theoretically kids can stay home alone when they are sick but show up with fevers and all kinds of other illnesses. Parents take 4 hours to come get them bc they “just have a sniffle”. Not looking forward to any of this
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| Posted 7/28/20 11:32 AM |
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seaside
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
What was rude and annoying in the past is going to cost lives now. Lives that can't ever be brought back.
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| Posted 7/28/20 2:09 PM |
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