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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
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LittleDiva
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
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seaside
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
The confusion above is precisely why we are asking questions. That's why there is no need for accusing people of not wanting teaching and learning to occur. Or the sanctimonious exclamations.
There is a lot not being planned and accounted for. Other countries and states that reopened schools experienced surges and needless loss of life and health.
Many schools may not open in the Fall. The virus is raging out of control in this country. It won't always be this way, but it is right now.
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School district plans....education inequality?
So kids just continue to go to school until they get test results back? Makes no sense at all.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by mommywantsababy
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Posted by Naturalmama
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Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
They are not quarantining for two weeks if a class is exposed. When someone in summer school gets it, they do a deep clean and have everyone return the next day. I know this happened at a LI school this summer.
I’ve been trying to get answers to these questions from the two districts that I will be in and have not gotten any definitive answers. They are pretty much saying it’s up to the DOH not them.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by RainyDay
So kids just continue to go to school until they get test results back? Makes no sense at all.
I will say my nephew was tested for Covid. He had a very high fever on a Saturday. He got his results on Monday. No one in his household was told to stay at home while the results were being processed.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by Christine2
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
In the instance there are no subs or teachers to cover, then go virtual for a few days.
This sounds like a logistical nightmare.
Sometimes even with absences known in advance, subs aren't found until the next morning. Not to mention finding subs is going to be very, very difficult.
If this is the plan, everything has to be done digitally or students will have to bring all their work home every day just in case. During normal times there were always instances of "oops I forgot my book" among my son and his friends and the parents ended up taking photos of workbook pages. Not every day or even every week but often enough, especially with certain kids. Now imagine being in and out of the building at the very last minute and kids having legitimate reasons to not have all their stuff.
Never mind the burden on parents and families who will have no notice and no consistency.
Some of the comments in this thread are classic examples of educators not being listened to when they are the boots on the ground and can think of things others simply aren't equipped to.
Fortunately this thread isn't making policy and I just hope all reopening committees have sufficient teacher voice.
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seaside
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Teachers need to be heard. Teacher friends have said that at many schools, parents will not be allowed on campus. This makes sense, but can that work? Also, does anyone who works at a school feel safe with a "Covid room"? Will schools have PPE like hospitals do? Who supervises the covid room? Especially if it has little kids in it?
And the kids eating together? Even restaurants are trying to keep things outdoors, and that's adults.... Will kids be dismissed from school for noncompliance with mask rules? I can't imagine that any teacher, administrator, nurse, or school worker thinks they are being adequately prepared for what will come.
Lots of teachers will want to know if they and other adults reporting for work will need to be tested, and if so, when/how often? Since we know how asymptomatic people can spread the virus, this seems to be an important question.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by PitterPatter11
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So kids just continue to go to school until they get test results back? Makes no sense at all.
I will say my nephew was tested for Covid. He had a very high fever on a Saturday. He got his results on Monday. No one in his household was told to stay at home while the results were being processed.
Which is crazy to me considering if you travel to NY NJ or CT from a high risk state you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days because you MIGHT have been exposed but if a teacher or student tests positive in a class, there is KNOWN exposure and yet everyone just goes about their day like nothing happened?
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seaside
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by RainyDay
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So kids just continue to go to school until they get test results back? Makes no sense at all.
I will say my nephew was tested for Covid. He had a very high fever on a Saturday. He got his results on Monday. No one in his household was told to stay at home while the results were being processed.
Which is crazy to me considering if you travel to NY NJ or CT from a high risk state you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days because you MIGHT have been exposed but if a teacher or student tests positive in a class, there is KNOWN exposure and yet everyone just goes about their day like nothing happened?
It makes no sense, and the headline on cnn now says experts recommend another total shutdown. But schools are proceeding ahead with rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. We are an immature, petulant society, and we are just making this harder on ourselves.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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What is going on in other regions isn't the same as what is going on here, on Long Island. Our current infection rate is 1% of those tested, being positive. So 99 percent of the people tested are negative. I urge you all to read the numbers daily. So what is going on in the rest of the country really has no bearing on what is going on *here* right now. We were in the same boat as all of them several months ago, remember? With strict protocols, it was managed, is still being managed effectively, and we are now at the point where school can be opened. I think NYS has a good handle on basic hygiene now, and people are washing their hands, etc. Hopefully that carries over into the fall when school starts. Hopefully with schools actually allowing kids to wash hands, cleaning desks with clorox, allowing sanitizer (these things were not openly allowed before), illness will be less frequent. Illness of ANY kind.
Using that logic we can never open schools then. Or anything for that matter.
Thank you. Very few people seem to get this.
We get it but how long will it last for? Its putting too much faith into people keeping up. I'm all for opening schools but I have very little faith in society continuing to do what they need to in order to keep infection rates low. We see it happening already. Packed out places, people getting together before stay at home orders was even removed, etc. Once schools open people will become more relaxed and peoples guards will come down.
Using that logic we can never open schools then. Or anything for that matter.
Also, we have kept it up. People are back to work people are commuting. There are gatherings, outside dining, etc. Every time a spike has been predicted (Mothers' Day, Memorial Day, July 4, etc) there has not been.
We are doing it right, and it is working
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by seaside
Posted by RainyDay
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Posted by RainyDay
So kids just continue to go to school until they get test results back? Makes no sense at all.
I will say my nephew was tested for Covid. He had a very high fever on a Saturday. He got his results on Monday. No one in his household was told to stay at home while the results were being processed.
Which is crazy to me considering if you travel to NY NJ or CT from a high risk state you are supposed to quarantine for 14 days because you MIGHT have been exposed but if a teacher or student tests positive in a class, there is KNOWN exposure and yet everyone just goes about their day like nothing happened?
It makes no sense, and the headline on cnn now says experts recommend another total shutdown. But schools are proceeding ahead with rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. We are an immature, petulant society, and we are just making this harder on ourselves.
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School district plans....education inequality?
of course there will be some contingencies that there are no good solutions for - but a lot that have been brought up here are totally worth exploring. this is what we normally see every year with every other illness. i work in a high school and the amount of kids who come in with fevers, who don't wait the 24 hours after vomiting, etc., whos parents we call and take 5 hours to get them - none of these kids became sick at 810 am - but yet the parents sent them to school knowing this.
i know many parents who say they cant keep their kids home for every sniffle - but when a sniffle/could could mean covid, parents need to be a bit more understanding of it too.
it's going to be a disaster. there is no way to cohort a high school effectively.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by PitterPatter11
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The drills should be like they always have been, just wearing mask. That's what we are instructed to do when we can't socially distance ourselves from others. Our district requires masks when they are on the bus, walking in halls, and in classroom when they get up out of their seat. They do not need a mask when seated at their desk. So with a drill, I imagine they all put their masks on, and conduct the drill like usual.
Have you seen lock down drills in person?
All students and staff are literally on top of each other in the one corner of the room that is not visible from the door for well over 10 minutes waiting for an admin or PO to open the door. Even with masks on, this makes me very uncomfortable.
They should know how to do them safely, ie with masks and where to sit/stand. Teach the kids to quickly grab their masks, figure out the safest way to be close to each other. School violence doesn’t take a break because of a pandemic.
I understand what you are saying, I was just wondering if people who make everything seem so “easy” have seen these drills taking place in real life. In my classroom, there is literally only a tiny sliver where people cannot be seen. We are not allowed to block the door window so our only option is to be right on top of each other. I teach HS so these are not tiny kids. I am hoping we are at half capacity so it’ll make it a littler better.
How often are these drills done that it would make a huge difference in going to school?
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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There will definitely be young kids home alone this year (or with slightly older siblings watching them). Not everyone can afford childcare, afterschool programs, or tutors. Many may rely on older grandparents. Scary times.
True but how any kids were home alone in the 70’s and 80’s as young as kindergarten and no one questioned that? I get that they will have to do school work so it will be different though.
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect the majority of kids to be able to sit home and be disciplined enough to log on and remote learn. It’s not ok, just because it was done in the 70s & 80s. There was a lot more drugs use during that era as well.
No I don’t think it is realistic either.
I would have to say there is a lot of drug use now, especially adding in vaping with younger kids. So many teens are drinking and doing drugs now. Not sure if the comparison from the 70’s and 80’s but don’t think it is any less if not more.
You compared kids being home in the 70 and 80s as a reason why kids should be ok to be home alone today. But we also can’t deny the fact that these decades were the free loving, drug induced decades. So yea kids were home alone but it was also on the back of the 50-60s when everyone trusted everyone plus they were high as a fukn kite. Studio 54, LSD, Coke, everyone was freaking high lol.
I’m being realistic, now people use drugs but you can’t compare it to the drug use back then. I’m not coddlIng my kid because I refuse to let him live life like I did. I’m trying to teach him to not repeat the cycle and be a statistic. Closing schools or making these hybrid models is making it impossible for a lot of people.
Eta: I’m not talking about Vaping, which, is recent. I’m referring to mostly young adult+ sniffing coke or LSD. Hence why kids were running amuck until people realized the white kids were getting kidnapped and killed. We can thank John Walsh for the transparency.
No now they have heroin and meth and pills.
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KarenK122
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by LittleDiva
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Posted by Naturalmama
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Posted by seaside
And how many districts can answer questions about what happens to sick kids who can't be immediately picked up? About how lockdown drills will be done? About how many substitute nurses and teachers they have lined up? About what their plan is in case of strikes? About what happens to the education of a kid who is healthy but told to quarantine when they can no longer come to school? About how to regulate/enforce quarantine orders?
The list goes on....
Subs are going to be a REAL issue. My district never has enough subs to begin with. Our subs are usually retired teachers so I doubt they will be subbing this year. Other teachers always need to cover classes during their prep. What happens when the teacher needs to quarantine due to possible exposure for 14 days? Who wants to sub for someone who might have Covid? No one.
I thought the whole point of cohorts was that if someone in the class shows symptoms, or tests positive, the entire group is home for 14 days. Eliminates the need for subs. So, if a teacher is sick, all of the students in that class stay home for two weeks.
That’s why the teacher wears a mask and there is social distancing, so it doesn’t spread.
We would all be quarantined with that logic.
I was also under the impression that it a teacher or student tested positive, the whole class would be sent home to quarantine for 2 weeks.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be responsible for spreading it to others.
Nope, my district is sending home a letter like they do when there is a case of lice or fifths disease
If you are in school and are exposed to the virus then everyone who came in contact must quarantine for whatever the mandated days are. Your district will not be in compliance to the guidelines. I suggest people read the DOH guidelines that were given to the schools.
Thank you. I did read them, which is why the idea of a letter being sent home while
Kids continued to go was shocking. I would absolutely be on the phone with our administration if that were to be the case, and if they decided to turn a blind eye, would absolutely take it up the ladder. That’s negligent at best.
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JennP
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by RainyDay
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Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by JennP
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Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Christine2
Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
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A lot of schools in NY started announcing a hybrid model, 2 days in school, 3 days at home. But they didn't address, what are the procedures in school. Are masks required for the kids? Will they be social distancing? Will they have gym and recess? Are there more cleaning procedures and a larger custodial staff? There just seems to be zero information out there.
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by BaysideForever
A lot of schools in NY started announcing a hybrid model, 2 days in school, 3 days at home. But they didn't address, what are the procedures in school. Are masks required for the kids? Will they be social distancing? Will they have gym and recess? Are there more cleaning procedures and a larger custodial staff? There just seems to be zero information out there.
Great questions. Not to mention...what will the school do if someone doesn't want their covid status revealed? What if it is a member of a household? How do privacy laws factor in? What if a kid gets sent home and the parents refuse to answer furtehr questions? What are the legal obligations of a family who is told to quarantine because of an adult's exposure and does not? What oversight of all of this exists?
Look how people act in stores and on the streets. How can we trust in these people in the context of school reopening?
Everyone is in denial. Countries that had this under control have reignited with the opening of schools. One of three things will happen: 1) Gamechanging breakthrough that renders all of this moot (one can hope); 2) school buildings stay closed; or 3) unmitigated disasters popping up all over the country until we all lock down.
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| Posted 7/27/20 2:21 PM |
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JennP
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
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Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
The guidelines are just that - guidelines. Totally separate from how they’re actually being implemented. All I am saying is that schools have to consider everything and – only speaking from my own district – the way they are talking about using every inch of space for instruction I just want to make sure someone has checked that box to make sure there’s ample room to hold the sick students.
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| Posted 7/27/20 2:36 PM |
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KarenK122
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by JennP
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by Christine2
Posted by seaside
All it takes for a school to erupt is one or a few families in denial about a kid having a slight sore throat or sniffle, or just sending the kid anyway and hoping for the best...or ignoring a quarantine order they get after an outside exposure because "she's fine." And all it takes for ny to wind up back in April is a few school eruptions, combined with cold weather, flu season, etc.
I believe on of the protocols is to take temperatures (even go through scanners) before they enter in the schools. That will prevent a lot of this, and also hopefully make the parent second think sending a sick child to school.
So what happens when a child ends up having a temp when they go through this scanner? They sit in the nurses office all day until their parents find the time to pick them up? What happens if the parent can't make it back to the school, you send the sick kid back home on the bus.
I'm sorry but this is just silly question. If your child is sick then the parent or whoever is on their emergency contact list picks them up. Just like it has been for the last 30 years. If a child is sick they would never send them home on the bus and if a parent has no one to pick them up and they have to sit in the office all day, then shame on them. That is the whole point of an emergency contact list.
Most protocols will have the child take their temperature twice. The first time if it is high they will go to a separate area and they will wait a short period and then take it again. If there is still a fever they go home.
It's not a silly question and I would hope anyone on a reopening committee doesn't dismiss any questions as such.
The point is that, depending on the spread, a lot more fevers will automatically be "discovered" right at the beginning of the school day than we are used to.
So now instead of zero sick kids at 8:15 now we have 10 or 20 or whatever.
Space will already be tight due to social distancing. Where do they go? Who is lucky enough to stay in the room with them?
I'm not saying these things are deal breakers but they have to be thought through. That's what this time and these conversations are for.
Again, read the guidelines. There will be a separate room for anyone who exhibits symptoms. If they have a fever after they take it the second time they go home. Any child who has a fever should not be in school anyway so I do not understand were there is any confusion on this. There have been protocols set for years on how to pick up your sick child. Who will stay in the room with them, a nurse in PPE. The districts were told all of this and if your district has not laid out their health and safety plans then you should contact them. (give it until the 31st though as they are not mandated to put out the plans until then)
The guidelines are just that - guidelines. Totally separate from how they’re actually being implemented. All I am saying is that schools have to consider everything and – only speaking from my own district – the way they are talking about using every inch of space for instruction I just want to make sure someone has checked that box to make sure there’s ample room to hold the sick students.
If the guidelines are not met the schools will not open. Just like all the other guidelines that some down from the SED that schools must abide too. Did you ask your district? All of things need to be in place. You just have not seen the plans yet. Instead of everyone complaining, ask for the plans. Then if they are not complying, feel free to demand they do.
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| Posted 7/27/20 2:43 PM |
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seaside
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Re: School district plans....education inequality?
Has anyone asked teachers, school nurses, or administrators how they feel about whether compliance has been achieved, or whether they have been furnished with the resources- the money, ppe, space, air infiltration, etc. to comply?
Everything I have seen and heard from the ones I know tells me that their voices are being drowned out.
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