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Christine2
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Crime is on the rise...
is anyone else worried about the longterm ramifications of this anti-police culture we are living in? I hope this doesn't continue much longer. I'm not sure what can change to reverse this trend.
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Funkybutt
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Crime is on the rise...
I can't imagine that crime will actually rise b/c police departments really aren't making much of a change. Those that are making changes - there are cities that have already reallocated funds from police departments to other social services and crime is actually down.
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| Posted 7/5/20 4:30 PM |
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Mrs213
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Crime is on the rise...
Not worried at all...
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| Posted 7/5/20 7:26 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
I’ve been worried since some of them are able to obtain info about ppl that help the police to apprehend them (go back to the scene of the crime, etc). Since some were released because of covid. Since masks can help them hide their face, and now this anti police thing...
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| Posted 7/5/20 7:42 PM |
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beachbabe
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Crime is on the rise...
Yes, definitely concerned.
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| Posted 7/5/20 7:53 PM |
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Yes. I’m concerned for sure.
Reading news articles on my social media and it’s one after another. Today was one from CBS - something like 20 shootings in NYC alone this past weekend. a police cruiser was shot in the Bronx. They don’t know if the cop was targeted or if it was a stray bullet.
Less police = more trouble. Criminals are salivating over this.
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| Posted 7/5/20 8:08 PM |
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RainyDay
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by Mrs213
Not worried at all...
Me either
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| Posted 7/5/20 8:10 PM |
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MrsWoods
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Crime is on the rise...
Yes. Reasons to get out of NY if you can. I really wish we can but my husbands work is here either way we would leave. Murder and burglaries are up and its just the beginning
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| Posted 7/5/20 8:42 PM |
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shadows
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Crime is on the rise...
Yes, concerned and saddened.
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| Posted 7/5/20 9:57 PM |
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Christine2
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by Funkybutt
I can't imagine that crime will actually rise b/c police departments really aren't making much of a change. Those that are making changes - there are cities that have already reallocated funds from police departments to other social services and crime is actually down.
Actually, crime has already risen. New York City shootings over the last seven days skyrocketed by 142 percent compared with the same time period in 2019, from just 26 last year to 63 in 2020. It's happening in a lot of the major cities. I just hope the trend doesn't continue.
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| Posted 7/5/20 10:51 PM |
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Bebelove
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Of course. This is what happens when you make your police force stand down. People do whatever TF they want , without concern for being arrested. The tax base (rich white folks) have left the building. Their dollars are being spent elsewhere. The city is going to go broke.
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| Posted 7/5/20 11:00 PM |
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xosweetiexo
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
I’m not surprised at all.
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| Posted 7/5/20 11:12 PM |
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nycbuslady
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Crime is on the rise...
Yes, I am concerned about the increase in violence, although I'm not surprised. It's a combination of so many things. People are fed up with being inside, everyone is unemployed with nothing to do. Plus, no one respects the police anymore! The criminals are like FU to the cops. It started last year when people were dumping water on the cops. And now it's escalated to setting fire to police cars!
The mayor and every politician -- democrats and republicans -- need to say STOP! The police need to defend themselves against assault. But, it's a no-win situation. If they do, then it's police brutality. If they don't, then the criminals are in charge. It's a scary situation!
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| Posted 7/6/20 8:47 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
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| Posted 7/6/20 9:08 AM |
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JennP
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by Christine2
I'm not sure what can change to reverse this trend.
If you don't know the answer to this and genuinely want to know, I would read about the BLM movement and the very specific changes they are seeking and then you'll know what can change to reverse the "trend."
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| Posted 7/6/20 9:15 AM |
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Mill188
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Very concerned but not surprised.
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| Posted 7/6/20 9:50 AM |
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quasi3
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Message edited 7/6/2020 10:01:25 AM.
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| Posted 7/6/20 9:56 AM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
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| Posted 7/6/20 11:01 AM |
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Mmm777
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Crime is on the rise...
I think it’s a knee jerk reaction to defund the police
Of course crime is in the rise
And honestly who wants to work putting your life at risk ?
They should have gone about it in a different way
Yes make things more transparent . If they use unnecessary force punish etc
But I don’t get it. If you allow your citizens to carry guns / auto rifles/ knives that can harm anyone
If you are a cop that’s scary. You cannot sit in the sofa and argue what the cops should be doing
Did anyone see the episode of blue blood where a person did just that but when facing real life couldn’t recall a thing
Honestly I don’t know what is the answer , but if crimes rise no one wants to live there .
Message edited 7/6/2020 7:10:25 PM.
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| Posted 7/6/20 7:09 PM |
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Dolphinsbaby
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
All true. I know cops who are being called dirty pigs, cursed out daily by people who tell them to get a real f’in job and a million worse things, have had things thrown at them (including urine filled water bottles). They are told to de-escalate. That means turn around and walk away. Don’t engage.
I know 3 cops who will be retiring in the next 3 months and they all wish they could retire today. One of them has a teenage son who has wanted to be a cop since he was a baby. His father said no way and even told his wife if god forbid he got killed on the job to promise that his son will not follow in his footsteps. He says daily if he doesn’t die on the job it will be a heart attack that gets him from all the stress :( (and he never felt this way even from the worst times in the past).
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| Posted 7/6/20 7:34 PM |
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JennP
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Jenn
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
Thanks for sharing. I figured as much but since I don't have any active NYPD in my inner circle I did not want to speculate.
Frankly, if that's the case, all that does is reinforce the need for reform because it looks like they want to stop doing their job if they're going to be held accountable. It's not a good look.
No one (that I heard) is saying that cops should not defend themselves if they're being attacked. Of course they should. But people who justify this based on some "damned if they do damned if they don't" logic are forgetting how this whole thing started because it sure as hell didn't start with cops being attacked and defending themselves.
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| Posted 7/6/20 7:40 PM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by JennP
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
Thanks for sharing. I figured as much but since I don't have any active NYPD in my inner circle I did not want to speculate.
Frankly, if that's the case, all that does is reinforce the need for reform because it looks like they want to stop doing their job if they're going to be held accountable. It's not a good look.
No one (that I heard) is saying that cops should not defend themselves if they're being attacked. Of course they should. But people who justify this based on some "damned if they do damned if they don't" logic are forgetting how this whole thing started because it sure as hell didn't start with cops being attacked and defending themselves.
Being told to stand down regardless of the circumstances is why they are getting out, not because they can't do the job without being held accountable. They feel like walking targets out there. An officer I know personally had a beer bottle full of piss chucked at his head a few nights ago. He was not allowed to apprehend the guy who threw it at him. The piece of crap video'd it and everything, probably put it on his youtube channel. Still they are not allowed to do anything, it's a joke. There are videos all over social media of people throwing glass bottles at NYPD cars, spitting in their faces and the officers just back up and walk away. That's not how things should be. I guess whatever, sucks for them, they signed up for it etc, but what do you think is happening to victims of rape or assault right now? Chances are they will never get justice. It's a scary world when there is no one to keep the order.
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| Posted 7/6/20 7:57 PM |
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
Thanks for sharing. I figured as much but since I don't have any active NYPD in my inner circle I did not want to speculate.
Frankly, if that's the case, all that does is reinforce the need for reform because it looks like they want to stop doing their job if they're going to be held accountable. It's not a good look.
No one (that I heard) is saying that cops should not defend themselves if they're being attacked. Of course they should. But people who justify this based on some "damned if they do damned if they don't" logic are forgetting how this whole thing started because it sure as hell didn't start with cops being attacked and defending themselves.
Being told to stand down regardless of the circumstances is why they are getting out, not because they can't do the job without being held accountable
This. My BIL is currently looking into a career change. He said this job is not worth having his entire life cut short either due to being killed or due to decisions that he needs to make in a split second.
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| Posted 7/6/20 8:20 PM |
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Christine2
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by JennP
Posted by Christine2
I'm not sure what can change to reverse this trend.
If you don't know the answer to this and genuinely want to know, I would read about the BLM movement and the very specific changes they are seeking and then you'll know what can change to reverse the "trend."
Actually, given that the "trend" has increased after BLM protests is my concern. I am not sure that defunding and sending social workers to shootings will work. Clearly, the police are tacitly "standing down" and it is showing in the increased violence throughout the country.
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| Posted 7/6/20 8:23 PM |
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JennP
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Jenn
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Re: Crime is on the rise...
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by JennP
Do people really think the NYC police have been defunded overnight?
That process would take YEARS.
Does anyone have any actual evidence that police were "told to stand down"?
The departments would never put that in writing. The union bosses are vocal about it though and I think everyone that knows any NYPD officer, knows that they've been told to stop enforcing. Any PO that is eligible for retirement, is starting the process and they are all trying to get out. They won't say a word publicly because they won't risk their pension.
The thing about crime stats is that if laws are not enforced and arrests aren't made, it appears that crime has stopped.
Thanks for sharing. I figured as much but since I don't have any active NYPD in my inner circle I did not want to speculate.
Frankly, if that's the case, all that does is reinforce the need for reform because it looks like they want to stop doing their job if they're going to be held accountable. It's not a good look.
No one (that I heard) is saying that cops should not defend themselves if they're being attacked. Of course they should. But people who justify this based on some "damned if they do damned if they don't" logic are forgetting how this whole thing started because it sure as hell didn't start with cops being attacked and defending themselves.
Being told to stand down regardless of the circumstances is why they are getting out, not because they can't do the job without being held accountable. They feel like walking targets out there. An officer I know personally had a beer bottle full of piss chucked at his head a few nights ago. He was not allowed to apprehend the guy who threw it at him. The piece of crap video'd it and everything, probably put it on his youtube channel. Still they are not allowed to do anything, it's a joke. There are videos all over social media of people throwing glass bottles at NYPD cars, spitting in their faces and the officers just back up and walk away. That's not how things should be. I guess whatever, sucks for them, they signed up for it etc, but what do you think is happening to victims of rape or assault right now? Chances are they will never get justice. It's a scary world when there is no one to keep the order.
I don't understand what these awful conditions - and you're right, it shouldn't be this way - have to do with rape and assault victims.
If they get a call to an certain location, they go to the location. No?
I'm not asking in a hostile way. Trying to understand your logic.
And someone (sorry forgot who) had an anecdote about an officer who didn't want to speak out about something because his pension would be at risk. This, again, only strengthens the allegations of those who call for reform. It's the blue wall and highlights the need for transparency and accountability. There's a systemic issue here and not enough people within it have any interest in addressing it.
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| Posted 7/6/20 8:45 PM |
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