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PitterPatter11
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t understand why people can’t just wear the masks. It’s annoying, yes. But for crying out loud, what kind of human beings have such little regard for others that they can’t go 5 minutes with a hot face for the benefit of society? Suck it up, buttercups.
I do as I am told too and wear a mask in stores but where are you only someplace for 5 minutes? I honestly thought I would pass out in Walmart the other day as it was so hot and I was in there about an hour.
My 6 year old DS wore his mask at the playground the other day for 45 minutes in 85 degree heat and didn’t complain once. I’m pretty sure Walmart isn’t that bad.
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Social Distancing out the window?
My kids all wore masks yesterday on and off depending on where we were. They were all fine, including my four year old. I do not believe that wearing masks in school will be all that bad...if that is what it takes to reopen them, then by all means require it. I do not think kids will be as traumatized as people think they will be by the new rules for school. Kids are incredibly resilient.
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seaside
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
At this point, if thing sget much worse because of the people who won't distance and/or wear masks, our kids may not even have a chance at being able to attend school.
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t understand why people can’t just wear the masks. It’s annoying, yes. But for crying out loud, what kind of human beings have such little regard for others that they can’t go 5 minutes with a hot face for the benefit of society? Suck it up, buttercups.
I do as I am told too and wear a mask in stores but where are you only someplace for 5 minutes? I honestly thought I would pass out in Walmart the other day as it was so hot and I was in there about an hour.
My 6 year old DS wore his mask at the playground the other day for 45 minutes in 85 degree heat and didn’t complain once. I’m pretty sure Walmart isn’t that bad.
Well I can assure you it was and the poor cashier (elderly woman) said she was having a hard time too. No AC with 80 degrees out is not fun.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t understand why people can’t just wear the masks. It’s annoying, yes. But for crying out loud, what kind of human beings have such little regard for others that they can’t go 5 minutes with a hot face for the benefit of society? Suck it up, buttercups.
I do as I am told too and wear a mask in stores but where are you only someplace for 5 minutes? I honestly thought I would pass out in Walmart the other day as it was so hot and I was in there about an hour.
My 6 year old DS wore his mask at the playground the other day for 45 minutes in 85 degree heat and didn’t complain once. I’m pretty sure Walmart isn’t that bad.
Well I can assure you it was and the poor cashier (elderly woman) said she was having a hard time too. No AC with 80 degrees out is not fun.
how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
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NervousNell
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by blu6385
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t understand why people can’t just wear the masks. It’s annoying, yes. But for crying out loud, what kind of human beings have such little regard for others that they can’t go 5 minutes with a hot face for the benefit of society? Suck it up, buttercups.
I do as I am told too and wear a mask in stores but where are you only someplace for 5 minutes? I honestly thought I would pass out in Walmart the other day as it was so hot and I was in there about an hour.
My 6 year old DS wore his mask at the playground the other day for 45 minutes in 85 degree heat and didn’t complain once. I’m pretty sure Walmart isn’t that bad.
Well I can assure you it was and the poor cashier (elderly woman) said she was having a hard time too. No AC with 80 degrees out is not fun.
how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LuckyStar
I don’t understand why people can’t just wear the masks. It’s annoying, yes. But for crying out loud, what kind of human beings have such little regard for others that they can’t go 5 minutes with a hot face for the benefit of society? Suck it up, buttercups.
I do as I am told too and wear a mask in stores but where are you only someplace for 5 minutes? I honestly thought I would pass out in Walmart the other day as it was so hot and I was in there about an hour.
My 6 year old DS wore his mask at the playground the other day for 45 minutes in 85 degree heat and didn’t complain once. I’m pretty sure Walmart isn’t that bad.
Well I can assure you it was and the poor cashier (elderly woman) said she was having a hard time too. No AC with 80 degrees out is not fun.
how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
My 8 year old hates it. He was the one who was excited to get one but, you think I am pulling his teeth out.
He only had to wear it to the pediatrician for his well visit too... It was the longest 10 minute wait of my life with him.
We are supposed to fly in August. I am hoping I can cancel and drive as he's going to drive me insane.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
My 8 year old hates it. He was the one who was excited to get one but, you think I am pulling his teeth out.
He only had to wear it to the pediatrician for his well visit too... It was the longest 10 minute wait of my life with him.
We are supposed to fly in August. I am hoping I can cancel and drive as he's going to drive me insane.
glad my kids arent the only one. They complain they cant breath also.
they have only had to wear them for Drs appointments and the couple stores i actually take them in and it was pure torture.
I felt they were better off not wearing the just because they touch their face soo much!!
we do not wear them outside but we also arent anywhere really where we cant social distance and they do not wear them on play dates outside or inside ones!
I wear them and clearly make my kids but I cant freaking wait for the day we can stop!!! This better not be a forever thing!!
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ali120206
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by blu6385
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
My 8 year old hates it. He was the one who was excited to get one but, you think I am pulling his teeth out.
He only had to wear it to the pediatrician for his well visit too... It was the longest 10 minute wait of my life with him.
We are supposed to fly in August. I am hoping I can cancel and drive as he's going to drive me insane.
glad my kids arent the only one. They complain they cant breath also.
they have only had to wear them for Drs appointments and the couple stores i actually take them in and it was pure torture.
I felt they were better off not wearing the just because they touch their face soo much!!
we do not wear them outside but we also arent anywhere really where we cant social distance and they do not wear them on play dates outside or inside ones!
I wear them and clearly make my kids but I cant freaking wait for the day we can stop!!! This better not be a forever thing!!
Our pool club opened today and we had to wear them into the grounds. They didn't complain to much but, it was hard to find them again when they had to wear them out as they threw them.
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KarenK122
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Social Distancing out the window?
My 13 year old doesn't have a problem wearing the mask for short periods of time. My younger one can not tolerate it. She can't breathe and I have to keep reminding her to breathe. I don't take her out to stores and luckily her summer program will not enforce masks for children.
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Social Distancing out the window?
We're the opposite. Every time we're in a store, I'm the one complaining and my daughter is telling me to stop touching my mask and to stop complaining!
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MichLiz213
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Social Distancing out the window?
DS is 8 and has no issues with wearing it. I have to tell him to stop touching it every once in awhile, but other than that he’s fine with it.
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I was very pleasantly surprised by both my kids -- especially my 3 year old. I think the lockdown scared them enough that they want to stay safe so they are doing what they need to. We were out this weekend somewhere outside but needed masks and when it got to be too much, my 3 year old asked to go somewhere away from people and he took his mask off, took a few big breaths and then put his mask back on and resumed activity. I was very impressed!
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LuckyStar
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Social Distancing out the window?
My 4 year old has worn her mask for an hour at a time with no complaints. She'll put her sunglasses on with it and say she's going into incognito mode.
I made sure to get her fun prints and she wants to do whatever we do and since we wear them, she's fine.
I could totally see how it would be tough to keep them on kids. Mine is an anomaly. Adults, IMO, have no excuse.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by LuckyStar
My 4 year old has worn her mask for an hour at a time with no complaints. She'll put her sunglasses on with it and say she's going into incognito mode.
I made sure to get her fun prints and she wants to do whatever we do and since we wear them, she's fine.
I could totally see how it would be tough to keep them on kids. Mine is an anomaly. Adults, IMO, have no excuse.
I think its all how you present it to kids. DD asks to wear her mask and go into stores. She will sometimes try to pull it down if we have been in the store for awhile but for the most part she doesn't have an issue.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Unless they are admins, doctors and nurses have no idea how much money a hospital bills or earns on a particular patient. Not only are they not privy to that information, there are many billing variables for each patient.
If hospitals were earning that much money per patient, there is no way they would be having the fiscal crisis every one of them is having. And it's not limited to the hospitals. Ask any HCP. Unless they work in critical care or in medicine, most have experienced cut hours and lay offs. That includes doctors and nurses staffing the ERs. Numbers are way down.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
This is where the vitriol and misinformation and hysteria get us:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/22/us/coronavirus-health-officials.html?action=click&module=Top+Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Top officials being stalked, harassed, and threatened. Those with the most training to guide us through this forced out of their jobs. This should terrify and disgust any decent person.
You have to imagine these lies and this anger are being stoked by those who don't mean well for us as a country or as individuals, and it's being executed by vicious idiots.
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by FirstMate
If hospitals were earning that much money per patient, there is no way they would be having the fiscal crisis every one of them is having. And it's not limited to the hospitals. Ask any HCP. Unless they work in critical care or in medicine, most have experienced cut hours and lay offs. That includes doctors and nurses staffing the ERs. Numbers are way down.
I think the PP was talking about the federal add-ons for covid patients. It was all over the news. I think that's how most of the articles circulating FB started. They explain why anyone on a ventilator would earn the hospital about 3x more. Here's an article that tries to fact check it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/
I'm sure there are more articles that explain it better without the random opinions added in. I just googled it quick.
The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information. (Kaiser Health News, which partners with PolitiFact on health fact-checking, is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)
There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.
Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.
"This is no scandal," Antos said. "The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even routine services to COVID patients has jumped."
There's also the Health and Human Services payments for hospitals that had over a certain amount of covid patients. Not sure the breakdowns per patient as I don't think those numbers were released yet.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by FirstMate
I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Curious what do hospitals typically bill per day for someone in ICU on a ventilator? I also highly doubt a nurse is involved with billing at the hospital level.
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by JandJ1224
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by FirstMate
I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Curious what do hospitals typically bill per day for someone in ICU on a ventilator? I also highly doubt a nurse is involved with billing at the hospital level.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15942342/
Just because you are a nurse or doctor doesn't mean you don't know anyone in billing. Actually I would think you might have a better chance than someone who doesn't work in a hospital.
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FirstMate
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by FirstMate
If hospitals were earning that much money per patient, there is no way they would be having the fiscal crisis every one of them is having. And it's not limited to the hospitals. Ask any HCP. Unless they work in critical care or in medicine, most have experienced cut hours and lay offs. That includes doctors and nurses staffing the ERs. Numbers are way down.
I think the PP was talking about the federal add-ons for covid patients. It was all over the news. I think that's how most of the articles circulating FB started. They explain why anyone on a ventilator would earn the hospital about 3x more. Here's an article that tries to fact check it:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-posts/Fact-check-Hospitals-COVID-19-payments/
I'm sure there are more articles that explain it better without the random opinions added in. I just googled it quick.
The dollar amounts Jensen cited are roughly what we found in an analysis published April 7 by the Kaiser Family Foundation, a leading source of health information. (Kaiser Health News, which partners with PolitiFact on health fact-checking, is an editorially independent program of the foundation.)
There isn’t a Medicare diagnostic code specifically for COVID-19. Using payment rates for similar respiratory conditions, Kaiser estimated the average Medicare payment at $13,297 for a less severe hospitalization and $40,218 for hospitalization in which a patient is treated with a ventilator for at least 96 hours.
Medicare will pay hospitals a 20% "add-on" to the regular DRG payment for COVID-19 patients. That’s a result of the CARES Act, the largest of the three federal stimulus laws enacted in response to the coronavirus, which was signed into law March 27.
"This is no scandal," Antos said. "The 20% was added by Congress because hospitals have lost revenue from routine care and elective surgeries that they can't provide during this crisis, and because the cost of providing even routine services to COVID patients has jumped."
There's also the Health and Human Services payments for hospitals that had over a certain amount of covid patients. Not sure the breakdowns per patient as I don't think those numbers were released yet.
This I can see happening. PER HOSPITALIZATION not per day. I look at hospital bills all the time for work and that would not be far off from anyone with an extensive hospitalization requiring critical care.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by JandJ1224
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by FirstMate
I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Curious what do hospitals typically bill per day for someone in ICU on a ventilator? I also highly doubt a nurse is involved with billing at the hospital level.
It really varies on the care the individual patient needs. The bills are itemized so every single thing is on the bill down to a Tylenol. I don't know the daily charge for vent use but usually someone in critical care requires a lot of medical management and all of those are separate charges - fluids, medications, feeding supplements, etc. And of course what is billed is not what is actually paid.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Curious what do hospitals typically bill per day for someone in ICU on a ventilator? I also highly doubt a nurse is involved with billing at the hospital level.
It really varies on the care the individual patient needs. The bills are itemized so every single thing is on the bill down to a Tylenol. I don't know the daily charge for vent use but usually someone in critical care requires a lot of medical management and all of those are separate charges - fluids, medications, feeding supplements, etc. And of course what is billed is not what is actually paid.
The hosiptial system my husband works for lost money, and that is a figure they shared with non fiannce departments. I don't know if they told them per person costs, but they told them the overall loss because they are trying to save in other areas without laying people off.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
My 8 year old hates it. He was the one who was excited to get one but, you think I am pulling his teeth out.
He only had to wear it to the pediatrician for his well visit too... It was the longest 10 minute wait of my life with him.
We are supposed to fly in August. I am hoping I can cancel and drive as he's going to drive me insane.
glad my kids arent the only one. They complain they cant breath also.
they have only had to wear them for Drs appointments and the couple stores i actually take them in and it was pure torture.
I felt they were better off not wearing the just because they touch their face soo much!!
we do not wear them outside but we also arent anywhere really where we cant social distance and they do not wear them on play dates outside or inside ones!
I wear them and clearly make my kids but I cant freaking wait for the day we can stop!!! This better not be a forever thing!!
Our pool club opened today and we had to wear them into the grounds. They didn't complain to much but, it was hard to find them again when they had to wear them out as they threw them.
My kids fidget with their masks like crazy. I feel like the masks almost make it more likely for kids to get sick, either from coronavirus or just any kind of illness, because they are constantly touching their faces and nose/mouth area while wearing the masks.
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