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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
Posted by lightblue
I think it would be hard to change anything like salary reductions because of Unions.... teachers on LI make really good salaries, administration makes even more.. then you have pensions. Also same for police departments here on LI. A police officer on long island makes double the salary of that of one in NYC. I don't know what the solution is. All I know is that the rising of taxes is going to continue to drive people out.
They need to revamp the entire education system. Get rid of tenure, get rid of the unions, get rid of the pensions, and decrease the salaries. I also think that they should get rid of all these requirements put on teachers to get Masters degrees. I think some continuing ed is fine but the schools should be providing staff development and that shouldn't fall on the teachers. Teachers also shouldn't have to pay out of pocket for classroom supplies. The whole system is out of whack.
Police officers have a different issue - they need a pension because being a police officer is a very physically taxing job and you can't really work much past 45/50 if you are a regular PO and not working a desk. You can get another job when you retire but it's not likely going to be a very high paying one.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
Posted by PitterPatter11
LI teachers are paid very well, but that is not true for the entire state. I am a teacher in a suburban district in Upstate NY and I make $65,000 with 14 years experience. That was pretty much my starting pay in 2006 when I taught on LI.
This is what I have a hard time understanding. If you look at the list on See through NY (link below), all of the top paid administration and teachers ore from LI districts. There are a handful of upstate but the vast majority are LI. Not great districts either. I do think teachers should be compensated fairly as it is a tough job, but I think there needs to be a salary cap. The job is hard, but there are many perks. I think there should be a salary cap, especially for the higher up administrative jobs. Think of how much could go back into the schools and how much we could save on taxes in the long run.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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I think it would be hard to change anything like salary reductions because of Unions.... teachers on LI make really good salaries, administration makes even more.. then you have pensions. Also same for police departments here on LI. A police officer on long island makes double the salary of that of one in NYC. I don't know what the solution is. All I know is that the rising of taxes is going to continue to drive people out.
They need to revamp the entire education system. Get rid of tenure, get rid of the unions, get rid of the pensions, and decrease the salaries. I also think that they should get rid of all these requirements put on teachers to get Masters degrees. I think some continuing ed is fine but the schools should be providing staff development and that shouldn't fall on the teachers. Teachers also shouldn't have to pay out of pocket for classroom supplies. The whole system is out of whack.
Police officers have a different issue - they need a pension because being a police officer is a very physically taxing job and you can't really work much past 45/50 if you are a regular PO and not working a desk. You can get another job when you retire but it's not likely going to be a very high paying one.
Yup agree w/ regard to PO Pensions, I was just pointing out the huge difference in salaries between a NYC officer and that of one on LI. I know of someone who went from making a salary around 100k w/ OT in NYC to now making close to 200k w/OT on a LI department (with a lot less stress). I know people joke around that getting into a LI department is like "winning the civil service lottery".
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Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The more I think about it, I think we just tell ourselves that our schools on LI are superior to make us feel better about the insane taxes. Anytime I've suggested moving in the past, everyone IRL asks what we're going to do about schooling, like every other school in the country pales in comparison to our amazing LI schools.
This. NYers, and LIers in particular, tell themselves all kinds of things to make themselves feel better about what they pay in taxes. I'm curious to see a "where are they now?", where all these kids that graduate from our superior schools end up 10 years later. What are your neighbor's kids doing after college? I think it would be interesting to see if what their parents paid for their education ended up being worth it. Or maybe their parents connections were worth more than the school they went to in terms of success in life. Just something I wonder about.
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People are forgetting that these are CIVIL SERVICE employees. These jobs already come with benefits that private sector employees don't have, like union protection, pensions, and better/cheaper health benefits. A long time ago those perks were factored into the salary of public sector jobs. People knew they were making less money in public, but had better benefits and job security. Now, you have people working public sector jobs making as much as private sector executives, and that's BEFORE you count those NY pensions and health benefits. I think something has to give eventually. You can't have it all. Not on the taxpayer's dime. Either go back to low salary/high benefits, or pay these people what they would get paid in private sector for comparable positions but get rid of the pensions, benefits, and unions. Have them fund their own (crappy but super expensive) health benefits and fund their own retirements like private sector employees do if they want to be paid like one.
Sorry, but it's robbery. Only on LI would an average civil servant make a higher salary than the president of the U.S. And that couple making $1M + pensions, and benefits?! THIS is why people are getting tired of funding the NY gravy train for a tiny piece of property with a decrepit house built on it and hightailing their assses out of NY at warp speed. Not only do NYers like to dress up their schools, but they also like to tell themselves they earn more in NY than they do out of state and that's simply not true anymore. Businesses are setting up shop where it's cheaper to operate. In certain industries, you can earn the same NY salary or higher, and with a lower cost of living and lower tax rate it's like getting an automatic raise.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
Posted by MC09
Sorry, but it's robbery. Only on LI would an average civil servant make a higher salary than the president of the U.S. And that couple making $1M + pensions, and benefits?! THIS is why people are getting tired of funding the NY gravy train for a tiny piece of property with a decrepit house built on it and hightailing their assses out of NY at warp speed. Not only do NYers like to dress up their schools, but they also like to tell themselves they earn more in NY than they do out of state and that's simply not true anymore. Businesses are setting up shop where it's cheaper to operate. In certain industries, you can earn the same NY salary or higher, and with a lower cost of living and lower tax rate it's like getting an automatic raise.
I agree with some of the points here, especially the superintendents being able to double dip, that’s just insanity.
Teachers are not getting paid the same in other states, and for those states that only pay $35K a year to their teachers, the quality of education is low. All I hear about from friends who have moved to places like Arizona, Florida, Hawaii and North Carolina is how terrible the schools are because they pay nothing, there’s incredible turnover and teacher shortages, and they’re forced to hire anyone with a pulse. Is it like that in every state? Absolutely not. The schools in Massachusetts, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Virginia (right outside the DC area from what I hear) are excellent. I am a teacher (I am making nowhere near six figures), but I agree there needs to be some reform in both education and law enforcement.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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Also are James Hunderfund and Anna Hunderfund married? If so, they alone are raking in nearly $1 mil a year in public funds. From being in public education. From which she was suspended. WTG.
Yes they’re married. AND even better...
James Hunderfund from Commack Schools, and now currently at Malverne Public Schools, receives a $318,081 pension. After collecting his pension, Hunderfund landed the job as Malverne schools superintendent. Records show he earned a salary of $242,349 in 2018 from Malverne, according to Patch.
He’s retiring at the end of this year, they announced his successor in February. This dude has great timing. And probably a pretty f*@&$ nice house..
So he is collecting anpensions and a salary? Making almost 600k?
Yes!!!!!!!!
AND the wife is also retiring. Was on “paid admin leave” for the past year and got a $600k settlement. On top of her pension. Insanity! 
That's disgusting. How is that even allowed? And let me guess...he will get yet another pension for his Malverne position? He must be the Lebron of superintendents that he is valued so highly. But seriously...shame on them. That's grotesque.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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Also are James Hunderfund and Anna Hunderfund married? If so, they alone are raking in nearly $1 mil a year in public funds. From being in public education. From which she was suspended. WTG.
Yes they’re married. AND even better...
James Hunderfund from Commack Schools, and now currently at Malverne Public Schools, receives a $318,081 pension. After collecting his pension, Hunderfund landed the job as Malverne schools superintendent. Records show he earned a salary of $242,349 in 2018 from Malverne, according to Patch.
He’s retiring at the end of this year, they announced his successor in February. This dude has great timing. And probably a pretty f*@&$ nice house..
So he is collecting anpensions and a salary? Making almost 600k?
Yes!!!!!!!!
AND the wife is also retiring. Was on “paid admin leave” for the past year and got a $600k settlement. On top of her pension. Insanity!
That's disgusting. How is that even allowed? And let me guess...he will get yet another pension for his Malverne position? He must be the Lebron of superintendents that he is valued so highly. But seriously...shame on them. That's grotesque.
It is... I also believe the pensions are NYS tax free and they continue to get health care as no or low cost for their and their spouse's lives.
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Also are James Hunderfund and Anna Hunderfund married? If so, they alone are raking in nearly $1 mil a year in public funds. From being in public education. From which she was suspended. WTG.
Yes they’re married. AND even better...
James Hunderfund from Commack Schools, and now currently at Malverne Public Schools, receives a $318,081 pension. After collecting his pension, Hunderfund landed the job as Malverne schools superintendent. Records show he earned a salary of $242,349 in 2018 from Malverne, according to Patch.
He’s retiring at the end of this year, they announced his successor in February. This dude has great timing. And probably a pretty f*@&$ nice house..
So he is collecting anpensions and a salary? Making almost 600k?
Yes!!!!!!!!
AND the wife is also retiring. Was on “paid admin leave” for the past year and got a $600k settlement. On top of her pension. Insanity!
That's disgusting. How is that even allowed? And let me guess...he will get yet another pension for his Malverne position? He must be the Lebron of superintendents that he is valued so highly. But seriously...shame on them. That's grotesque.
It is... I also believe the pensions are NYS tax free and they continue to get health care as no or low cost for their and their spouse's lives.
I believe NYS taxes pensions.
Also-teachers now pay into pensions for the life of their careers, similar to a 401k. It’s not anywhere near as big of a benefit as it used to be.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
There are changes being made to NYS retirement system. That is why they have different tiers. Depending on when you started service, benefits are different and have been declining.
For some civil service jobs as benefits continue to decrease the job's lose their appeal.
Not sure what the solution is....
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pup522
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Why NYS is in trouble...
I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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There are changes being made to NYS retirement system. That is why they have different tiers. Depending on when you started service, benefits are different and have been declining.
For some civil service jobs as benefits continue to decrease the job's lose their appeal.
Not sure what the solution is....
Yes, it depends on the tier you are in. New teachers will pay into the NYS Retirement system until they retire. I stopped contributing years ago.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
Posted by pup522
I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
I have no problem with the salaries teachers earn. Most of them have multiple degrees and they have a difficult and important job. We would not be able to keep a quality caliber of teacher on LI if their salaries were low. It's too expensive to live here.
But something has to give with these administrators. And the custodians? WTH. And it's not just education. How is a PA sergeant earning almost $500k? How is one person permitted to work that much OT? How about the sergeant of Lloyd Harbor? Seriously. How hard do you think that guy works? They probably respond to people tripping their alarm systems all day; maybe get excited over a domestic dispute.
And what are these associations? Association of Towns? What the hell is that?
You know where they could save some money? Stop doing buy outs for unused sick and personal time. Use it or lose it. Just like the rest of us.
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Why NYS is in trouble...
But is a teacher a civil service job? I didnt think it was...
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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But is a teacher a civil service job? I didnt think it was...
No
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I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
I have no problem with the salaries teachers earn. Most of them have multiple degrees and they have a difficult and important job. We would not be able to keep a quality caliber of teacher on LI if their salaries were low. It's too expensive to live here.
But something has to give with these administrators. And the custodians? WTH. And it's not just education. How is a PA sergeant earning almost $500k? How is one person permitted to work that much OT? How about the sergeant of Lloyd Harbor? Seriously. How hard do you think that guy works? They probably respond to people tripping their alarm systems all day; maybe get excited over a domestic dispute.
And what are these associations? Association of Towns? What the hell is that?
You know where they could save some money? Stop doing buy outs for unused sick and personal time. Use it or lose it. Just like the rest of us.
Lloyd Harbor is a bad example. I posted awhile back that we were thinking of moving-and that’s actually where we were going to move (had an accepted offer before we backed out for multiple reasons). They have their own police funded by village taxes, and you can text the dang cops if you need to. I guarantee nobody there is complaining about the salary of their cops. The taxes are super high there, but you do get a lot for them.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
Posted by pup522
I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
Many people who live on LI make that much or less and survive. Many don't know the difference between needs and wants, that is the problem.
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It is... I also believe the pensions are NYS tax free and they continue to get health care as no or low cost for their and their spouse's lives.
This is false. Pensions are taxed and health insurance is determined by the district contract. When I retire, I will need to pay 50% of my insurance premium. If my DH wants to remain on my insurance, he will need to pay 100% of the premium.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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Posted by pup522
I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
Many people who live on LI make that much or less and survive. Many don't know the difference between needs and wants, that is the problem.
Survive was probably a poor choice of word. You can probably figure out a way to live on LI for 40K a year however why should the people teaching our children who have advanced degrees have to live with just the basic necessities? Cost of living/where you live definitely should play into their salaries.
(Also I am not a teacher and many teachers make more $ than I do).
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I don't think anybody (or most people at least) is complaining about teacher salaries. They earn every penny. When you consider all that being a teacher entails I don't think they earn enough. Especially the way the job has changed over the years. It's all the waste and the excess, and the bull.shit $250k positions like assistant superintendent of lawncare and assistant of shelving units and commissioner of paperwork that people are angered by.
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The bottom line is that it isn't sustainable.
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But is a teacher a civil service job? I didnt think it was...
No. My rant was in reference to all these appointed superintendents, commissioners, assistants, etc. draining the system. Not teachers.
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Re: Why NYS is in trouble...
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I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
I don't think $40k would be reasonable, but I think that $80k would be. Especially with opportunities to increase your salary by coaching, tutoring or working over the summer. I also don't think that the monetary demands made on teachers is acceptable... All of these masters credits for courses that seem more like busy work than things that truly enhance teaching ability and having to pay for so many supplies for your classroom.
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Posted by pup522
I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
I don't think $40k would be reasonable, but I think that $80k would be. Especially with opportunities to increase your salary by coaching, tutoring or working over the summer. I also don't think that the monetary demands made on teachers is acceptable... All of these masters credits for courses that seem more like busy work than things that truly enhance teaching ability and having to pay for so many supplies for your classroom.
But if you max out at 80k, what do you start at?
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I am not supporting Admins making $600K as that is ridiculous, however when you complain about teacher salaries remember how expensive it is to live here! They wouldn't be able to make $40K on LI and still survive.
Many people who live on LI make that much or less and survive. Many don't know the difference between needs and wants, that is the problem.
Survive was probably a poor choice of word. You can probably figure out a way to live on LI for 40K a year however why should the people teaching our children who have advanced degrees have to live with just the basic necessities? Cost of living/where you live definitely should play into their salaries.
(Also I am not a teacher and many teachers make more $ than I do).
Many people have much more than basic necessities. Is it all about choices. This board is a good example of how people spend their money. Many don't find the need to impress with the services they employee or things they buy just because they have the money. I am sure I can stretch my dollar a whole lot more than someone who makes double the amount of money.
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