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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
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I can't get my tubes tied, LMAO. I asked 3 doctors to do it, but I am too young, they won't do it!!
Love that women feel other women (who are responsible and use BC) should live in the dark ages!
38 and too young? Id keep looking for a dr. I was 31 and had them done. Wasnt even questioned about it. My dr is no longer practicing or Id pass his info along.
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Being responsible would include taking responsibility of a baby that you MADE by CHOOSING to have sex before you were ready to procreate.
At 38 you should be old enough to realize that.
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I am sorry, but WHAT?!? I am 38 years old, in a long term relationship and I take the pill. If for some reason it fails, I should be forced to have a baby we do not want?!?!?!?!? Or I shouldn't have sex with the person I love??!?
WHAT?!?!
No dear. You should have your tubes tied and as a 2nd precaution your SO should have a vasectomy. And you should also use the rhythm method as a 3rd fail safe.
And if all that fails- yes you must have the baby.
I can't get my tubes tied, LMAO. I asked 3 doctors to do it, but I am too young, they won't do it!!
Love that women feel other women (who are responsible and use BC) should live in the dark ages!
Wow. You're a piece of work. Please see other posts in this thread where I've said that I've asked to have my tubes tied and doctors won't do it.
Glad to know there are still perfect people in the world!!! Hope you never have to make a decision like an abortion (and FWIW, I never have had to , but since it's my body, it's MY choice)
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Posted by Straightarrow
I can't get my tubes tied, LMAO. I asked 3 doctors to do it, but I am too young, they won't do it!!
Love that women feel other women (who are responsible and use BC) should live in the dark ages!
38 and too young? Id keep looking for a dr. I was 31 and had them done. Wasnt even questioned about it. My dr is no longer practicing or Id pass his info along.
It's crazy, when I left my ex husband I was 32, I was told they wouldn't do it, now I'm on my third GYN and she still won't do it.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I can't get my tubes tied, LMAO. I asked 3 doctors to do it, but I am too young, they won't do it!!
Love that women feel other women (who are responsible and use BC) should live in the dark ages!
38 and too young? Id keep looking for a dr. I was 31 and had them done. Wasnt even questioned about it. My dr is no longer practicing or Id pass his info along.
It's crazy, when I left my ex husband I was 32, I was told they wouldn't do it, now I'm on my third GYN and she still won't do it.
Id leave the practice.
My dr at the time actually suggested it. I couldnt take the pill and didnt want anymore kids. I was also married at the time and thought I would need his ok. Because thats what I was always told. The dr said nope its your choice.
I said..sign me up..lol And this was 20 yrs ago.
Good luck to you. Hopefully you find someone that does what YOU want and not what THEY want.
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I'm just really really curious why people are hysterically up in arms thinking doctors all over the state are now suddenly going to risk their reputations and start doling out abortions wily nily like candy at 38 weeks just because now??
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I understand your opinion. I disagree but I get it to an extent. I can follow your logic all the way up to "you made this choice, deal with the consequences" but since your opinion ends there I feel like you're missing out on what realistically can happen if your opinion was law..
and I'm just following a hypothetical here and I do not think you're the devil for your opinion. I think that of others, lol, but not here.
My thoughts are, what happens to the children of parents who are forced to have them even when they don't want them? How can we make the assumption that if they were forced to have their unwanted babies that they would take proper care of them? In a perfect world, maybe, but this certainly is not that.
I can accept that you would never make those choices for yourself, and I can accept that it's unpalatable to say the least, but I think the consequence can be far worse than "take responsibility for your actions." Sometimes having an abortion is doing just that.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Just because I don’t agree with your opinion I’m a piece of work? You are very childish. I
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Posted by MM2004
Being responsible would include taking responsibility of a baby that you MADE by CHOOSING to have sex before you were ready to procreate.
At 38 you should be old enough to realize that.
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by NervousNell
I am sorry, but WHAT?!? I am 38 years old, in a long term relationship and I take the pill. If for some reason it fails, I should be forced to have a baby we do not want?!?!?!?!? Or I shouldn't have sex with the person I love??!?
WHAT?!?!
No dear. You should have your tubes tied and as a 2nd precaution your SO should have a vasectomy. And you should also use the rhythm method as a 3rd fail safe.
And if all that fails- yes you must have the baby.
I can't get my tubes tied, LMAO. I asked 3 doctors to do it, but I am too young, they won't do it!!
Love that women feel other women (who are responsible and use BC) should live in the dark ages!
Wow. You're a piece of work. Please see other posts in this thread where I've said that I've asked to have my tubes tied and doctors won't do it.
Glad to know there are still perfect people in the world!!! Hope you never have to make a decision like an abortion (and FWIW, I never have had to , but since it's my body, it's MY choice)
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I agree with everything you said here until you get to the end. I am pro choice even if it’s just a mistake. I AM NOT pro “ here I am half way through the pregnancy and realize it’s a mistake, let me claim mental instability and get an abortion” that’s where I feel this new law gets tricky.
To other PPs. No. I don’t think there will be lines of careless woman who are full term lining up for abortions. And yes, it’s made most for those who desperately need this option (which as per people in my life who’ve unfortunately experienced these situations, already had the options available to them) I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again .. if the wording was fixed to fix the loophole for those who will abuse it, I’d feel so much different about it.
But obv my feelings and anyone else who feels similarly doesn’t matter. The law is here and that’s it. We can feel badly about it. We can feel for those unborn children and we can also feel for the women who find themselves at this horrible place in their lives.
We can do that all and still have no choice but to accept it. I live in NY. The people re-elected the man who made this happen. The quote i hate the most but.... it is what it is.
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The thing is I don’t think it should be a law either way which is why my opinions are not 100% Pro-life and 100% Pro-choice. There should not be a law period. It is a medical decision for some and a religious decision for others.
I have my opinions and they are MY opinions but I’m not going to go out and march and try to make my opinions into law.
If you decide to have an abortion for convenience, I think you are wrong.
Am I going to block your way into the doctor’s office, no.
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I understand your opinion. I disagree but I get it to an extent. I can follow your logic all the way up to "you made this choice, deal with the consequences" but since your opinion ends there I feel like you're missing out on what realistically can happen if your opinion was law..
and I'm just following a hypothetical here and I do not think you're the devil for your opinion. I think that of others, lol, but not here.
My thoughts are, what happens to the children of parents who are forced to have them even when they don't want them? How can we make the assumption that if they were forced to have their unwanted babies that they would take proper care of them? In a perfect world, maybe, but this certainly is not that.
I can accept that you would never make those choices for yourself, and I can accept that it's unpalatable to say the least, but I think the consequence can be far worse than "take responsibility for your actions." Sometimes having an abortion is doing just that.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I understand your opinion. I disagree but I get it to an extent. I can follow your logic all the way up to "you made this choice, deal with the consequences" but since your opinion ends there I feel like you're missing out on what realistically can happen if your opinion was law..
and I'm just following a hypothetical here and I do not think you're the devil for your opinion. I think that of others, lol, but not here.
My thoughts are, what happens to the children of parents who are forced to have them even when they don't want them? How can we make the assumption that if they were forced to have their unwanted babies that they would take proper care of them? In a perfect world, maybe, but this certainly is not that.
I can accept that you would never make those choices for yourself, and I can accept that it's unpalatable to say the least, but I think the consequence can be far worse than "take responsibility for your actions." Sometimes having an abortion is doing just that.
Exactly. I wanted to add that I can't believe this thread has turned into a debate about all abortions and not just opinions on the new laws. Can you imagine if it was legally only allowed if the mother has extreme circumstances like rape, incest etc.? Women desperate for an abortion would be faced with a terrible ethical dilemma. I'm sure some would falsely accuse the fathers of rape.
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I just read an article about a mother that allowed her partner to beat her infant to death. I forget how many broken bones the baby had (IIRC it was over 20), I tried to google it to link the article
(just to demonstrate how sick some women can be and how they should not be mothers) and so many stories came up that I'm now sick to my stomach. If you'd like to google "baby beaten several broken bones", be my guest. There are so many stories, it's unreal.
Some women need an out and maybe abortion should be looked at as a godsend. I wish those women never gave birth and it makes me question if there is a God. Not every woman should be a mother. Yeah, I guess if they made it illegal, they could force women to be mothers, but you can't force them to be good ones. The law couldn't protect these babies from their mentally ill mothers. I don't know, just another way to look at it, but some people think these laws aren't protecting the babies. Maybe they actually are.
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Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I just read an article about a mother that allowed her partner to beat her infant to death. I forget how many broken bones the baby had (IIRC it was over 20), I tried to google it to link the article
(just to demonstrate how sick some women can be and how they should not be mothers) and so many stories came up that I'm now sick to my stomach. If you'd like to google "baby beaten several broken bones", be my guest. There are so many stories, it's unreal.
Some women need an out and maybe abortion should be looked at as a godsend. I wish those women never gave birth and it makes me question if there is a God. Not every woman should be a mother. Yeah, I guess if they made it illegal, they could force women to be mothers, but you can't force them to be good ones. The law couldn't protect these babies from their mentally ill mothers. I don't know, just another way to look at it, but some people think these laws aren't protecting the babies. Maybe they actually are.
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Posted by eroxgirl
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I understand your opinion. I disagree but I get it to an extent. I can follow your logic all the way up to "you made this choice, deal with the consequences" but since your opinion ends there I feel like you're missing out on what realistically can happen if your opinion was law..
and I'm just following a hypothetical here and I do not think you're the devil for your opinion. I think that of others, lol, but not here.
My thoughts are, what happens to the children of parents who are forced to have them even when they don't want them? How can we make the assumption that if they were forced to have their unwanted babies that they would take proper care of them? In a perfect world, maybe, but this certainly is not that.
I can accept that you would never make those choices for yourself, and I can accept that it's unpalatable to say the least, but I think the consequence can be far worse than "take responsibility for your actions." Sometimes having an abortion is doing just that.
I have worked with the children that have never been wanted. It's a burden that no child should ever have to shoulder. It affects the quality of life forever and many never thrive because of this burden.
I think if we had strong support for families and women with young children...an actually maternity leave with pay, actual affordable health care, a minimum wage that was actually livable, an employer program that offered paid time off for sick children so a parent can take care of them, a judicial system that actually enforced child support both financially and physically, affordable housing. If these things were in place...I think more women and girls would be able to have their unplanned babies. Because without laws like the RHA, the women that suffer are in the lower socioeconomic class yet we don't want to provide tax dollars to support them but want to take away their choices.
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Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I just read an article about a mother that allowed her partner to beat her infant to death. I forget how many broken bones the baby had (IIRC it was over 20), I tried to google it to link the article
(just to demonstrate how sick some women can be and how they should not be mothers) and so many stories came up that I'm now sick to my stomach. If you'd like to google "baby beaten several broken bones", be my guest. There are so many stories, it's unreal.
Some women need an out and maybe abortion should be looked at as a godsend. I wish those women never gave birth and it makes me question if there is a God. Not every woman should be a mother. Yeah, I guess if they made it illegal, they could force women to be mothers, but you can't force them to be good ones. The law couldn't protect these babies from their mentally ill mothers. I don't know, just another way to look at it, but some people think these laws aren't protecting the babies. Maybe they actually are.
doesn't it make you think of the saying "I didn't choose to be born?"
If we only look at women as incubators of procreation then we are looking at from a very narrow perspective. If you reframe the conversation and look at the other issues like postpartum depression and psychosis and omen forced into motherhood for religious reasons or reasons beyond their control I think people would be singing a different tune. It's because women have the luxury to look at it from the perspective of "I would never" that they can't see the "I have no other choice."
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Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I just read an article about a mother that allowed her partner to beat her infant to death. I forget how many broken bones the baby had (IIRC it was over 20), I tried to google it to link the article
(just to demonstrate how sick some women can be and how they should not be mothers) and so many stories came up that I'm now sick to my stomach. If you'd like to google "baby beaten several broken bones", be my guest. There are so many stories, it's unreal.
Some women need an out and maybe abortion should be looked at as a godsend. I wish those women never gave birth and it makes me question if there is a God. Not every woman should be a mother. Yeah, I guess if they made it illegal, they could force women to be mothers, but you can't force them to be good ones. The law couldn't protect these babies from their mentally ill mothers. I don't know, just another way to look at it, but some people think these laws aren't protecting the babies. Maybe they actually are.
doesn't it make you think of the saying "I didn't choose to be born?"
If we only look at women as incubators of procreation then we are looking at from a very narrow perspective. If you reframe the conversation and look at the other issues like postpartum depression and psychosis and omen forced into motherhood for religious reasons or reasons beyond their control I think people would be singing a different tune. It's because women have the luxury to look at it from the perspective of "I would never" that they can't see the "I have no other choice."
Then both sides need to start addressing these issues so women aren't force into the "I have no other choice" dilemma.
However, I still believed that abortion is used too frequently as a means of birth control by women who either do not want children or women who feel that it is not the right time for children and that is wrong in my opinion.
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Posted by MM2004
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I just read an article about a mother that allowed her partner to beat her infant to death. I forget how many broken bones the baby had (IIRC it was over 20), I tried to google it to link the article
(just to demonstrate how sick some women can be and how they should not be mothers) and so many stories came up that I'm now sick to my stomach. If you'd like to google "baby beaten several broken bones", be my guest. There are so many stories, it's unreal.
Some women need an out and maybe abortion should be looked at as a godsend. I wish those women never gave birth and it makes me question if there is a God. Not every woman should be a mother. Yeah, I guess if they made it illegal, they could force women to be mothers, but you can't force them to be good ones. The law couldn't protect these babies from their mentally ill mothers. I don't know, just another way to look at it, but some people think these laws aren't protecting the babies. Maybe they actually are.
doesn't it make you think of the saying "I didn't choose to be born?"
If we only look at women as incubators of procreation then we are looking at from a very narrow perspective. If you reframe the conversation and look at the other issues like postpartum depression and psychosis and omen forced into motherhood for religious reasons or reasons beyond their control I think people would be singing a different tune. It's because women have the luxury to look at it from the perspective of "I would never" that they can't see the "I have no other choice."
Then both sides need to start addressing these issues so women aren't force into the "I have no other choice" dilemma.
However, I still believed that abortion is used too frequently as a means of birth control by women who either do not want children or women who feel that it is not the right time for children and that is wrong in my opinion.
You have made your point crystal clear. I think given your responses above and the response here it seems like you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. I'm not sure what else you're trying to prove.
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Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
The new law does NOT allow for abortion of a full term pregnancy in any of the situations you mention - rape, incest etc. It allows for a late term abortion ONLY when the health of the mother or baby are in danger. Your argument has NOTHING to do with the NEW law that is being discussed here. The NEW law is not going to create a world where suddenly women who are 8-9 months pregnant are going to be lining up to get abortions. The situations that this new law addresses are heartbreaking cases that no one would choose to find themselves in
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MM2004
GUYS...
I know I'm coming off like the devil here and if you think that, that's ok.
I just want you to take a step back and really think of the arguments.
Rape ok. Incest ok. Mother health ok. Child viability ok.
Other arguments, I don't know. To me, they seem to be more of "This baby, at this time, is an inconvenience so I'll have an abortion.
When your not ready to be a mother...oh, its just a clump of cells.
When you are ready to be a mother.....its a baby, let's tell the grandparents!
If you are going to have sex, even with protection, a pregnancy can result. I feel that you must be willing to be responsible for that life that you CREATED by the CHOICE you made.
Again, this is my opinion. Agree, disagree, that's fine.
I totally agree with you.
I read up on this law and it really seems to me (and maybe I am not reading right), that the main reason for allowing abortions late term are because of immediate danger to the mom and if the fetus will not be able to survive out of the womb. I can not see how anyone could argue that is not something that should have already been in place. It is not going to increase the amount of abortions taking place. Women aren't going to be walking in at 38 weeks and saying they do not want their child anymore. There needs to be a reason. I think that the law letting non doctors perform the procedure is wrong though. If the woman or fetus is in that much distress that they can not survive, they should be at a hospital or under a doctor's care. I also disagree with that they are not considering the fetus a person in criminal instances. I think that is wrong and a slap in the face to any woman who has been battered or in an accident where they lost their baby. They should be able to have justice for their baby.
And just in general, I am an adoptive mom of 2 girls. There are other ways to still have a child and not be a mom, if a person felt they are not able or want to have that responsibly. There are many many people just waiting for newborns to love because they can not have their own.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
The other big piece of this legislation that I think the people who are horrified are missing is that if a woman is sexually active and becomes pregnant but doesn't want a baby now or ever even, they're not waiting around until they are 30 weeks to abort. They are doing it right away! Which was legal BEFORE this bill was ever discussed.
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| Posted 1/24/19 2:24 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by Momma2015
The other big piece of this legislation that I think the people who are horrified are missing is that if a woman is sexually active and becomes pregnant but doesn't want a baby now or ever even, they're not waiting around until they are 30 weeks to abort. They are doing it right away! Which was legal BEFORE this bill was ever discussed.
ding ding ding we have a winner
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| Posted 1/24/19 2:40 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
(and also the RHA protects Roe v. Wade if SCOTUS ever overturns it)
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| Posted 1/24/19 2:41 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Momma2015
The other big piece of this legislation that I think the people who are horrified are missing is that if a woman is sexually active and becomes pregnant but doesn't want a baby now or ever even, they're not waiting around until they are 30 weeks to abort. They are doing it right away! Which was legal BEFORE this bill was ever discussed.
ding ding ding we have a winner
Exactly! You aren't going to pee on the stick, find out you are pregnant, freak out and walk around for 6 months.
Come on now
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| Posted 1/24/19 2:42 PM |
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Momma2015
Mommax2
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
(and also the RHA protects Roe v. Wade if SCOTUS ever overturns it)
Absolutely!
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| Posted 1/24/19 3:00 PM |
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NYCGirl80
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by chilltocam
The new law does NOT allow for abortion of a full term pregnancy in any of the situations you mention - rape, incest etc. It allows for a late term abortion ONLY when the health of the mother or baby are in danger. Your argument has NOTHING to do with the NEW law that is being discussed here. The NEW law is not going to create a world where suddenly women who are 8-9 months pregnant are going to be lining up to get abortions. The situations that this new law addresses are heartbreaking cases that no one would choose to find themselves in
Exactly. People are saying that women at 38 weeks would be given an abortion if their lives were at risk. ABSOLUTELY NOT. At 38 weeks, the baby is viable and would be delivered and the mother's life would also be saved.
RHA is for when a mother's life is at risk before a baby is viable outside the mother's body OR if the baby is no longer viable inside the mother's body.
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| Posted 1/24/19 3:25 PM |
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