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Pumpkin1
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Re: NYS Tests - Opting In or Out?

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Posted by mommy2be716

My child will be taking it every year. It helps prepare them for regents, SATs, ACTs etc... I see no harm in exposing kids to the rigor of the state exams, since they will need to be prepared for difficult exams in the future



that is why my DD has always taken the tests. Honestly, she is not nervous about taking any test which is great. She has her first regents this year and she is not nervous at all about either of them.



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Posted 3/29/18 1:16 PM
 
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Posted by mommy2be716

My child will be taking it every year. It helps prepare them for regents, SATs, ACTs etc... I see no harm in exposing kids to the rigor of the state exams, since they will need to be prepared for difficult exams in the future



that is why my DD has always taken the tests. Honestly, she is not nervous about taking any test which is great. She has her first regents this year and she is not nervous at all about either of them.



Exactly! DS was nervous about the tests back in 3rd grade, but now in 7th he is used to them and the whole testing experience. Good luck to your DD in the regents!

Posted 3/29/18 1:31 PM
 

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Posted by mommy2be716

My child will be taking it every year. It helps prepare them for regents, SATs, ACTs etc... I see no harm in exposing kids to the rigor of the state exams, since they will need to be prepared for difficult exams in the future



This.

Posted 3/29/18 1:56 PM
 

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No, my 3rd will not be taking them.. She has plenty of time to "prepare" or learn how to take tests - she doesn't need to do it at 8 years old for no 'good' purpose. Especially with how developmentally inappropriate they are. Why do that to such young kids? It's a stress for no purpose. I don't really get the point that it teaches them to take test because they take regular classroom tests and I feel like that is enough preparing right now... in 3rd grade. They don't take regents until 9th!

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Posted 3/29/18 2:01 PM
 

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My sixth grader has taken them since third grade. Last year I looked at the test that he took in 4th grade, when it was available on the NYS website. It was so developmentally inappropriate that I am opting him and my third grader out this year.

Posted 3/29/18 2:25 PM
 

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Why are they developmentally inappropriate? Not questioning anyone’s choice, I’m genuinely curious because I’ve never seen one.

Posted 3/29/18 2:28 PM
 

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I’m only referring to the ELA test that I looked at. The reading comprehension passage they were supposed to read was long, boring, and had difficult vocabulary words. Some words had an * next to them, and they were defined at the bottom of the page. So you are reading this long passage and then have to keep referring to the glossary at the bottom. The questions were worded so that two out of four multiple choices could possibly be correct. I couldn’t always tell which was the right answer.

My son has always scored 100% or close to that on the math, so I didn’t look at that exam.

Posted 3/29/18 2:41 PM
 

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My dd is a 2nd grader and we have decided to opt out next year. In our district most kids opt out and I don’t see any reason to stress her out.

Posted 3/29/18 2:43 PM
 

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We're opting out. My DS is in 3rd grade & he's struggling with his ADHD. Taking a test of this magnitude and duration would be pure torture for him, so we won't do it to him.

Posted 3/29/18 2:51 PM
 

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Re: NYS Tests - Opting In or Out?

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100% agree that it prepares them for high stakes testing. I work for the College Board and I am always struck by how close the question types on the SAT are to the questions my 3rd grader brings home. For example, areas like words in context and command of evidence which are keys on the SAT are showing up for my 3rd grader in his testing. He'll be taking the tests.



See but that is one of my concerns. Why are 3rd graders being given tests that have questions that are similar to SAT type questions?
I feel like it might be a developmentally inappropriate.
I can see questions like that in Jr High maybe- to prepare for upcoming SATs. But in 3rd grade?



It's the style not the content. For example, on the SAT, they'll be asked to define a word in the context of the sentence. That's a skill that can easily be adapted to a younger audience, just by using a lower-level reading passage. For command of evidence, they are asking the kids to support an answer by citing which line in the passage was the reason they chose that answer. I think that's a great skill for kids to have and easy to start teaching early.

Posted 3/29/18 4:57 PM
 

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I live in Maryland, my DD is in 1st grade and started state testing this year, they do it three times a year.

Throughout the year, the kids are constantly being broken into small groups for reading, math, gifted and talented enrichment, etc. The tests help place the kids in the area that they belong and can excel best in. I think they're great.

She doesn't bat an eye when it comes time to testing, it's done on computer, it gets harder as you answer more questions correctly, and she thinks it is fun and cool.

Posted 3/29/18 8:20 PM
 

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In my district the kids take the tests and there are very few opt outs. And, they do VERY well. I don't agree that they are not age appropriate nor do I agree that they are pointless. I would be careful forming an opinion on the tests based on what you read on this board. Before my child took the tests I was nervous thinking they were horrific, age inappropriate, tortuous for the kids etc. My child's experience was the opposite. Fine taking the test and did extremely well every time - like most of his peers.

Posted 3/29/18 9:30 PM
 

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We opt out.

Posted 3/30/18 8:38 AM
 

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In no way shape or form will I allow my son to take these tests. In addition, colleges are starting to pull away from SAT tests. Regents are different because there is a scope and sequence and tests have previous questions that can be evaluated and measured.

ETA: My child would most likely be a 4 on the test and is not worried about it. The decision to opt out was based on my own information. Opting out is a stand that parents can take (and the only one) to protest the way education in this country is going.

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Posted 3/30/18 9:12 AM
 

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Until a more appropriate and fair test for ALL students and evaluation for teachers and schools is created, my children will be OPTING OUT. Nothing has changed.

Posted 3/30/18 9:49 PM
 

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Just food for thought for those on the fence or wanting information about opting out....

https://www.nysape.org/2018-opt-out-factsheet.html

Posted 3/30/18 9:51 PM
 

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Posted by LuckyStar

Why are they developmentally inappropriate? Not questioning anyone’s choice, I’m genuinely curious because I’ve never seen one.


The passages are way above grade level, the questions are ambiguous, they have errors in them, they are too long, etc. Now that they are untimed, I have some kids that work on them all damn day. It's ridiculous. They start around 9:45 and will work up until lunch. Then they go get their lunch and eat in a secluded room (b/c they can't talk about the test). Then they start the test again after eating. I feel so bad for them. And these aren't the kids that are scoring 4s--they're the ENL and Special Ed students that are struggling and laboring for 5 hours a day.

Posted 4/2/18 3:02 PM
 

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Re: NYS Tests - Opting In or Out?

DS is in 3rd this year and we're opting out. I wasn't particularly concerned about him stressing or having trouble with the test, but I guess I hope that of enough people opt out, they will fix the issues with the whole thing. I have teacher friends who very much disagree with the way this is handled and from most things I've read, I agree.
I do have concerns with opting him out, too, though like making him less prepared down the line, but I figure there will be plenty of chances for these types of tests, so I'll just hope I'm doing the right thing for him. Chat Icon

Posted 4/2/18 5:03 PM
 

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NYS Tests - Opting In or Out?

always opt out

Posted 4/2/18 6:57 PM
 

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Posted by Aries14

No, my 3rd will not be taking them.. She has plenty of time to "prepare" or learn how to take tests - she doesn't need to do it at 8 years old for no 'good' purpose. Especially with how developmentally inappropriate they are. Why do that to such young kids? It's a stress for no purpose. I don't really get the point that it teaches them to take test because they take regular classroom tests and I feel like that is enough preparing right now... in 3rd grade. They don't take regents until 9th!



I understand your point, however the "stress without purpose" comment you made can totally go the other way..

I feel like if kids are not exposed to the tests all along, then when the real meaningful tests come into play they will be soooooo much more stressed and underprepared. As a teacher (i've taught grades 6-10th), and as a former student myself, I can tell you the most stressed out students are the ones who feel that either they aren't prepared or their teacher didn't give enough notice/preparation time for an exam. I also know from experience that kids of all ages, all the way through HS, are very much routine-driven. This annual exams are routine for many of the kids, and if their teachers are good, they're incorporating a ton of previous year's exam questions into daily lessons. All year long they are learning how to take the exam. I do a state exam question almost daily in my math class. It's routine for my kids and the goal is show them exactly what to expect on the day of the test!

Posted 4/2/18 7:43 PM
 
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