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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
However, I do know for a fact that if my DH comes across a homeless person in his line of work and they need a hospital, they go to the hospital and receive care.
Are the doctors billing homeless people??? If they are, are they expecting to get paid???
That has always been the case. If a person requires any sort of medical care and they show up in an ER they have to treated to at least be stable before they can be moved on, whether they have insurance or not or whether or not the insurance a person has participates with that hospital. Same for a woman in labor. Always. Nothing to do with ACA.
ETA: Since you claim ignorance on billing, we ALL pay for this type of care. Either through taxes or increased premiums on insurance to cover these anticipated costs.
This was signed into law by Ronald Reagan in 1986. The hospital has to cover the cost, which of course raises the costs for everyone.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
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As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
Do you have any idea how much that would cost to buy a similar insurance plan? I don't know the specifics of your plan, but having negotiated plans on behalf of many municipal employers, my guess is that the premium alone for a family plan is at least $25,000-$30,000 per year. Consider yourself lucky that your DH's employer not only provides great benefits, but I assume also heavily subsidizes those benefits.
Insurance/healthcare costs had been skyrocketing and growing faster than salaries long before the ACA went into effect. Insurance companies are looking to make bigger and bigger profits while employers are trying to control the large yearly increases in premiums. I saw public sector employers make major plan design changes (i.e. moving towards high deductible health plans) years before Obama was elected because health care costs were out of control. Another issue is many people took their rich benefits for granted and didn't make responsible decisions when getting treatment. There was overuse of ERs for things that should have been treated at an urgent care center or an appointment the next day with the PCP. The population is also getting older and living longer resulting in more ailments to treat and more expensive later in life care. Let's not forget drug companies who charge insane amounts of money for prescriptions that cost a fraction of that to produce.
People seem to be blaming the ACA on changes in their insurance plan design and increases in their premiums, but many of those things were bound to happen anyway due to rising costs and greedy insurance companies. Repealing the ACA isn't going to fix those issues.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MC09
Posted by lululu
Personally I feel that the whole problem with healthcare in our country is that the health insurance industry is a for profit industry. If health insurance companies were not for profit we wouldn't have a ton of the problems that we have. The health insurance industry is so corrupt it's unbelievable. I don't know what the solution is and I know that we have some of the best healthcare options in the world, but healthcare and health insurance are two very separate topics. Something has to change. Everyone citizen should have access to top quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilege in this country. This is probably one of the only topics that I am really far left on when I am typically more right leaning.
I do have faith that the republicans will repeal and replace simultaneously so I don't think that people should be in full on panic mode. But really until you eliminate the profit driven insurance companies I don't think much will change.
I don't usually agree with your posts, but I agree with you here. Health insurance and healthcare is for-profit in this country. Do people really think repealing the ACA will make their rates go back? ACA is flawed, of course, but mostly because of greedy health insurance companies who responded with increasing their rates. They aren't likely to reverse it where money and greed is involved. If Trump really cares about America his goal would be to tackle the healthcare industry not ACA, overhaul it, mandate pre-existing conditions law, bringing down rates across the board and making healthcare affordable for ALL. Is anyone confident he wants to do that? He hasn't even provided us with a CLEAR plan of action, so how can we be confident? Are there Trump supporters who believe that healthcare is a luxury and not a right?
Just wanted to mention that insurance companies were capped on the amount of profit they could make on ACA business. If they made too much - they had to give money back. Rates increased because of the cost of healthcare and the fact that they were losing a lot of money on ACA business. Rates would continue to skyrocket because companies are exiting the marketplace left and right. Mainly because the young healthy population decided they would rather pay the penalty (since it cost a lot less than insurance).
I do agree that everyone should be able to get health insurance - especially since part of what is driving healthcare costs up is the fact that those with insurance have to pay for the uninsured as mentioned above.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Posted by MC09
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
As far as taxpayers paying for his benefits, it's a pretty fair trade off considering the risk and what he has to do every day.
And for the person suggesting a slice of humble pie... you know what you can do with my slice. That was a nasty comment to make to someone you don't know.
Is your husband working for free? Is he not receiving a wage for the work he does? A wage that he can then use to go out and purchase health insurance for his family? So you think your husband and your family is ENTITLED to the health benefits he is receiving at taxpayer expense because of the work he does? I doubt you will see how flawed your thinking is.
I don't need to know your backstory to recognize your post as being arrogant, selfish, and heartless. And as one of the taxpayers who is providing your husband with salary and benefits, you're welcome! I'm HAPPY to pay my share to be able to provide that to your family, and to bookworm's family because I think he deserves it, and she deserves it, and all those serving our community deserve it. I think everyone deserves medical care, it should be a basic right! Right up there with clean water and an education. I don't think others should go without proper healthcare, knowing that millions have been uninsured in this country is not, in my mind, what will make America great again.
Of course he isn't working for free. If his job didn't provide health care we would use his salary to pay for it not expect others to hand it over to us from their hard earned money. We would do without 2 cars for example.
You don't want to hear my back story because it will conflict with your argument.
I'm not wasting anymore time debating this. Now I see why people told me not to bother posting on LIF if I'm not a liberal or liberal minded.
Do you have any idea how much that would cost to buy a similar insurance plan? I don't know the specifics of your plan, but having negotiated plans on behalf of many municipal employers, my guess is that the premium alone for a family plan is at least $25,000-$30,000 per year. Consider yourself lucky that your DH's employer not only provides great benefits, but I assume also heavily subsidizes those benefits.
Insurance/healthcare costs had been skyrocketing and growing faster than salaries long before the ACA went into effect. Insurance companies are looking to make bigger and bigger profits while employers are trying to control the large yearly increases in premiums. I saw public sector employers make major plan design changes (i.e. moving towards high deductible health plans) years before Obama was elected because health care costs were out of control. Another issue is many people took their rich benefits for granted and didn't make responsible decisions when getting treatment. There was overuse of ERs for things that should have been treated at an urgent care center or an appointment the next day with the PCP. The population is also getting older and living longer resulting in more ailments to treat and more expensive later in life care. Let's not forget drug companies who charge insane amounts of money for prescriptions that cost a fraction of that to produce.
People seem to be blaming the ACA on changes in their insurance plan design and increases in their premiums, but many of those things were bound to happen anyway due to rising costs and greedy insurance companies. Repealing the ACA isn't going to fix those issues.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by LastLightGlow
To those cannot empathized with the insurance crisis-do you have a family member with mental illness(addiction, schizophrenia ect.), child with disability, lupus, multiple sclerosis, genetic disorder, any disorder or special needs that may make them less likely to sustain a full time job and employment benefits for the duration of their life? Are you a caregiver to elderly parents or family that uses these services?
It seems unless one has personal experience with the need for affordable care that it is a black and white issue. Not everyone is born a blank slate with the ability to be a 100% functioning person as our society sees it. As mentioned even the best fall on hard times and need assistance. Not everyone has experienced this yet and some never will. One of my favorite quotes:
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him."
I don't really agree that you have to have personal experience to think that affordable healthcare is a right for all. I have no direct personal experience with someone not being able to get the care that they need because they couldn't afford it. However, it is still not hard for me to make the jump that something could happen in my life that would put me in a situation to be denied coverage that myself or an immediate family member would need. I don't think anyone should be faced with the choice between life and bankrupting their family. I have a lot of family members that can not make that jump and it really boggles my mind considering I am well off financially and they live paycheck to paycheck and benefits are provided by their job. But I do think that there still needs to be MAJOR reform. I am also confident that the Republicans will not repeal the ACA until they have a plan in place and I think they will leave the good and decent parts like pre-existing conditions. But I am more of a glass half full kind of person and I am not seeing this as doomsday. I definitely felt more confident after reading everything Paul Ryan had to say about it. Maybe this will make some people feel a little better?
Paul Ryan Town Hall
However, it is from a fake news network! 
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
I can't go back and fourth here any more because it's a waste to argue with those who have little to no compassion or understanding of how insurance works but I wanted to add this. In 2009 when dh and I got married he worked for a private company, he worked his ass off most weeks putting in 70 hours. His company offered insurance and subsidised part of it. For just dh and I we were paying 22k a year in health insurance and that did not include our co-pays and medication. Dh had a position where we could afford to do it but many of the workers could not afford it and went without. I posted this because I think some of this board think health insurance is like car insurance costing $200 a month and this is definitely not the case. For a worker who makes 50k a year how on earth do you expect them to pay 22k for health insurance. Are the not entitled to insurance and health care because they don't have a government job, because they aren't NYPD or FDNY? Do they not work hard enough? I find the lack of compassion towards fellow Americans very sad. I hope this is not what is being taught to the next generation. 
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Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
I wonder what mrsdiamondgirlie and others think about the 9/11 responders bill. The one where the poor responders got very sick and many died due to all the air pollution at ground zero. They had to fight like hell to get health insurance. IN AMERICA. it took a late night show host like Jon Stewart to fight and point out this injustice.
Was that a handout? Should they have just not had their hands out? Should they have just suffered and pay out of pocket? Or no? Because they are special? Their lives matter more than a teacher or an accountant? Where do you draw the line, if any, for putting a price tag on someone's life?
Why did a whole host of Republican losers including Jeff Sessions vote against it?
Back in January, Trump wouldn't even discuss renewing it or his stance. It was up for renewal in October. Had no comments. When you're running for pres , people like to get your view on things especially life and death matters. Pretty ironic for a draft dodger who constantly praises (and preys on and uses) police and firefighter hero rhetoric.
He in his golden penthouse doesn't give a **** about law enforcement or their families. It's all cheap talking points. Otherwise he would have came out like everyone else in support of the bill.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I wonder what mrsdiamondgirlie and others think about the 9/11 responders bill. The one where the poor responders got very sick and many died due to all the air pollution at ground zero. They had to fight like hell to get health insurance. IN AMERICA. it took a late night show host like Jon Stewart to fight and point out this injustice.
Was that a handout? Should they have just not had their hands out? Should they have just suffered and pay out of pocket? Or no? Because they are special? Their lives matter more than a teacher or an accountant? Where do you draw the line, if any, for putting a price tag on someone's life?
Why did a whole host of Republican losers including Jeff Sessions vote against it?
Back in January, Trump wouldn't even discuss renewing it or his stance. It was up for renewal in October. Had no comments. When you're running for pres , people like to get your view on things especially life and death matters. Pretty ironic for a draft dodger who constantly praises (and preys on and uses) police and firefighter hero rhetoric.
He in his golden penthouse doesn't give a **** about law enforcement or their families. It's all cheap talking points. Otherwise he would have came out like everyone else in support of the bill.
 You are 100% right.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
I wonder what mrsdiamondgirlie and others think about the 9/11 responders bill. The one where the poor responders got very sick and many died due to all the air pollution at ground zero. They had to fight like hell to get health insurance. IN AMERICA. it took a late night show host like Jon Stewart to fight and point out this injustice.
Was that a handout? Should they have just not had their hands out? Should they have just suffered and pay out of pocket? Or no? Because they are special? Their lives matter more than a teacher or an accountant? Where do you draw the line, if any, for putting a price tag on someone's life?
Why did a whole host of Republican losers including Jeff Sessions vote against it?
Back in January, Trump wouldn't even discuss renewing it or his stance. It was up for renewal in October. Had no comments. When you're running for pres , people like to get your view on things especially life and death matters. Pretty ironic for a draft dodger who constantly praises (and preys on and uses) police and firefighter hero rhetoric.
He in his golden penthouse doesn't give a **** about law enforcement or their families. It's all cheap talking points. Otherwise he would have came out like everyone else in support of the bill.
Yep. He loves to take to Twitter when he thinks it's going to ingratiate him with law enforcement, but when the rubber hits the road he doesn't really care or he would have spoken out about this. It's disgusting and tragic how the first responders were treated.
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Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
I will also add that that big old "non-American, gun-taking, law-enforcement hating" president Barack Obama is THE ONE WHO SIGNED THE 9/11 RESPONDER BILL INTO LAW.
And it was mostly your good old boy American Republicans who preach morals and values and respect for hardworking Americans - the ones against "entitlements" - they oppposed it. Go look at the list of opponents. Including Cruz. Sessions. Paul Ryan.
And I'm sorry but I don't think a lot of people really research and see how people vote. Talk is cheap. Look at what your guys have done and not done. You think just because they praise officers or firefighters it means anything? Research. Be informed. Don't cry because Obama didn't light the whitehouse blue on LE day. . Look at who voted against you. And look who signed the bills into law.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
Personally I feel that the whole problem with healthcare in our country is that the health insurance industry is a for profit industry. If health insurance companies were not for profit we wouldn't have a ton of the problems that we have. The health insurance industry is so corrupt it's unbelievable. I don't know what the solution is and I know that we have some of the best healthcare options in the world, but healthcare and health insurance are two very separate topics. Something has to change. Everyone citizen should have access to top quality healthcare. It should be a right, not a privilege in this country. This is probably one of the only topics that I am really far left on when I am typically more right leaning.
I do have faith that the republicans will repeal and replace simultaneously so I don't think that people should be in full on panic mode. But really until you eliminate the profit driven insurance companies I don't think much will change.
I don't lean right and have no faith in Congress but otherwise I agree with you. More important than our agreement, I'm quoting you because I think you bring up a really important distinction.
I'm pretty liberal, but I will concede that reasonable people can disagree and make arguments on either side of MOST issues.
For example - I'm anti death penalty, but understand and respect the opposing arguments.
Also fiscal policy - again, I'm liberal, but I understand and respect the opposing arguments. Corporations need to pay their fair share but also can't be treated like the enemy.
Most issues can make for friendly debate.
The right to health care is NOT one of them.
To be very clear with what I'm about to say, I'm speaking generally with this statement:
If someone is going to come on here and claim that health care is not a human right, that it's "simple" to get health insurance, and then after being presented with anecdotes and logic to the contrary, double down on their callousness, all the while taking advantage of such taxpayer funded benefits themselves, I will, with great fervor, call them the jerk that they are.
Liberals get a bad rap for getting nasty. I would argue that we're only responding to a very basic and seemingly inherent lack of compassion and humanity in some people that has reared its ugly head in the past few months. I am not saying every Trump voter thinks that way, but if you are that blunt about it, be prepared for the backlash.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie
Were people dropping dead left and right before Obamacare from not having health insurance????
I don't get why you cant either get health insurance through your job or get it the way you get home/auto/life insurance.
Pay a company an annual fee, get health insurance.
Simple and easy...
What is so hard about that???
Why should people like my husband who risks his life every day going to work pay for other people to have health insurance??? Take care of yourself and stop looking for help from everyone!
This statement shows what little understanding you have of the ACA/Obamacare and the state of Healthcare in this country.
Wow hopefully her husband stays healthy enough to keep working and nothing happens to him while risking his life and if it does I hope that she always has an employer who offers great benefits. Its just that simple WTF
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by stinger
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?_r=0
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
Posted by stinger
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?_r=0
Very interesting although no details on how he would do it or how he would get it approved. I'd love to believe it but I'm skeptical to put it mildly.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by lululu
Posted by stinger
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?_r=0
In the interview, Mr. Trump provided no details about how his plan would work or what it would cost. He spoke in the same generalities that he used to describe his health care goals during the campaign — that it would be “great health care” that left people “beautifully covered.”
Wow.. well, I'm certainly convinced now....
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by lululu
Posted by stinger
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?_r=0
In the interview, Mr. Trump provided no details about how his plan would work or what it would cost. He spoke in the same generalities that he used to describe his health care goals during the campaign — that it would be “great health care” that left people “beautifully covered.”
Wow.. well, I'm certainly convinced now....
Literally cannot believe this moron is our next President.
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Re: Senate Republicans Take The First Big Step Toward Repealing Obamacare
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by lululu
Posted by stinger
I just saw on TV news that Trump is now saying he will offer insurance for everyone?!
Anyone have a link?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/15/us/politics/trump-health-law-replacement.html?_r=0
In the interview, Mr. Trump provided no details about how his plan would work or what it would cost. He spoke in the same generalities that he used to describe his health care goals during the campaign — that it would be “great health care” that left people “beautifully covered.”
Wow.. well, I'm certainly convinced now....
Literally cannot believe this moron is our next President.
Every time I hear the words "President Elect: Donald Trump", I feel the same shock I did when I first heard that he won.
It just doesn't seem real.
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