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lululu
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
I really would love to see the stats on Redshirting in other states that have a Sep 1 cutoff compared to redshirting in NY and Connecticut. Is there any way to obtain that information? In my town it's almost unheard of to hold a child born before Sept, but a lot are held after Sept 1.
I just think that the cutoff should be moved to Sept 1 and if you believe your child is ready before then you can test in. I know in my district you can test in but I have never heard of one person actually doing it.
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MrsS2005
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
It doesn't matter when the cutoff is. Parents will hold their kids back either because of a perceived advantage or because they're not ready. I'm in CT where the cutoff is January 1. My mid-December son went to K at 4 and there were plenty of kids, especially boys, who were in his grade and had already turned 6 over the summer or were turning 6 shortly after school started.
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| Posted 3/2/16 10:39 AM |
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Chatham-Chick
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
I noticed a number of sport leagues are changing the way they accept players. For some of our sports, it's been based on grade level, but now they're basing it on age because so many students are being redshirted.
Just last weekend, my daughter who is fairly tall (she's 9 but looks 14) and plays basketball, played a girl who easily had a foot on her. Turned out the girl was 2 years older than all the other players. (We still won the game.   )
My youngest has a birthdate of 11/30 and the cut-off is 12/1. People have asked me if we're going to redshirt her, but we have no intentions of doing so. She's on the small side, but she's a big boss. I guess with having 3 older siblings, she's learned to hold her own. She has a classmate in her 2s program that is over a year older than her (I don't know why her parents placed her in a 2s program), but again, my daughter walks into the classroom like she runs it. 
But I understand why some parents opt to hold their children back for a year.
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| Posted 3/2/16 11:19 AM |
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lululu
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by MrsS2005
It doesn't matter when the cutoff is. Parents will hold their kids back either because of a perceived advantage or because they're not ready. I'm in CT where the cutoff is January 1. My mid-December son went to K at 4 and there were plenty of kids, especially boys, who were in his grade and had already turned 6 over the summer or were turning 6 shortly after school started.
Yes, your cutoff is later than NY. I would assume you would have even more parents holding back. I am wondering when the cutoff is earlier if that makes a lower % of kids redshirted.
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| Posted 3/2/16 2:35 PM |
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lululu
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I noticed a number of sport leagues are changing the way they accept players. For some of our sports, it's been based on grade level, but now they're basing it on age because so many students are being redshirted.
Just last weekend, my daughter who is fairly tall (she's 9 but looks 14) and plays basketball, played a girl who easily had a foot on her. Turned out the girl was 2 years older than all the other players. (We still won the game. )
My youngest has a birthdate of 11/30 and the cut-off is 12/1. People have asked me if we're going to redshirt her, but we have no intentions of doing so. She's on the small side, but she's a big boss. I guess with having 3 older siblings, she's learned to hold her own. She has a classmate in her 2s program that is over a year older than her (I don't know why her parents placed her in a 2s program), but again, my daughter walks into the classroom like she runs it.
But I understand why some parents opt to hold their children back for a year.
In my town also sports are based by a strict Sept 1 cutoff as is the Nassau County travel soccer league so I think people are a little misguided when they assume that kids are being held for sports. and by the time you are in high school you either have it or you don't. A few months advantage is not going to make or break you as an athlete.
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| Posted 3/2/16 2:37 PM |
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Chatham-Chick
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by lululu
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I noticed a number of sport leagues are changing the way they accept players. For some of our sports, it's been based on grade level, but now they're basing it on age because so many students are being redshirted.
Just last weekend, my daughter who is fairly tall (she's 9 but looks 14) and plays basketball, played a girl who easily had a foot on her. Turned out the girl was 2 years older than all the other players. (We still won the game. )
My youngest has a birthdate of 11/30 and the cut-off is 12/1. People have asked me if we're going to redshirt her, but we have no intentions of doing so. She's on the small side, but she's a big boss. I guess with having 3 older siblings, she's learned to hold her own. She has a classmate in her 2s program that is over a year older than her (I don't know why her parents placed her in a 2s program), but again, my daughter walks into the classroom like she runs it.
But I understand why some parents opt to hold their children back for a year.
In my town also sports are based by a strict Sept 1 cutoff as is the Nassau County travel soccer league so I think people are a little misguided when they assume that kids are being held for sports. and by the time you are in high school you either have it or you don't. A few months advantage is not going to make or break you as an athlete.
I think that those who hold them back for sports do so with high school teams in mind, not necessarily travel teams.
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| Posted 3/2/16 3:38 PM |
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lululu
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by lululu
Posted by Chatham-Chick
I noticed a number of sport leagues are changing the way they accept players. For some of our sports, it's been based on grade level, but now they're basing it on age because so many students are being redshirted.
Just last weekend, my daughter who is fairly tall (she's 9 but looks 14) and plays basketball, played a girl who easily had a foot on her. Turned out the girl was 2 years older than all the other players. (We still won the game. )
My youngest has a birthdate of 11/30 and the cut-off is 12/1. People have asked me if we're going to redshirt her, but we have no intentions of doing so. She's on the small side, but she's a big boss. I guess with having 3 older siblings, she's learned to hold her own. She has a classmate in her 2s program that is over a year older than her (I don't know why her parents placed her in a 2s program), but again, my daughter walks into the classroom like she runs it.
But I understand why some parents opt to hold their children back for a year.
In my town also sports are based by a strict Sept 1 cutoff as is the Nassau County travel soccer league so I think people are a little misguided when they assume that kids are being held for sports. and by the time you are in high school you either have it or you don't. A few months advantage is not going to make or break you as an athlete.
I think that those who hold them back for sports do so with high school teams in mind, not necessarily travel teams.
I really don't think that small of an age difference will give you an advantage in high school, because while they will be the oldest in the class they will really only be about 6-9 months older than the average kid in that grade. I think a lot of those parents will be really disappointed when it doesn't make a difference to their child's athletic ability.
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| Posted 3/2/16 4:04 PM |
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Merf99
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
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Posted by nycgirl
I will offer you a different look.
My DS is a late summer baby (he turned 5 days before k).
He's by far the youngest in his class. 2nd youngest is June.
The TWO youngest boys (I recently found out the June boy too) are having issues with fitting in to a class that is largely a year older. Most of the class are winter babies & are either born in January or were redshirted. The other boy is having a harder time than mine.
They are both very smart (operating above the rest of the class at a 1st & 2nd grade reading & math level)... But they are immature at heart.
Will this effect go away? Yes.
Is it hard to deal with now? Yes.
Silly things like his motor coordination (while normal) is behind his classmates. He had bad handwriting, trouble cutting. He can play sports & soccer amazingly (the other boy is a sports star), but it's not fine motor.
He has emotional control of a 5 year old (like it or not, it's different than a 6 year old). He cries, he tattles (not all the time & he plays well with older kids, but it comes out). In my DD's preK, kids the same age as my son are napping. I napped in K (KWIM?).
With all this, I changed my mind from eye rolling at red shirting to understanding that if so many others do it, it can hurt your kid too be the youngest. Maybe more so boys (but not sure). My youngest is a September birthday. Going to be hard to decide...
but where does it stop them, when you have people in June/July red-shirting for reasons like they are the youngest, smallest etc its out of hand IMO. There is a cut off for a reason. Always has been. If they make it, they go. Someone has to be the youngest, someone has to be the least mature, its been that way since the dawn of schooling. The ONLY reason I believe in red-shirting are for children who have actual special needs. If not, just "your" child isn't the youngest is not a good enough reason IMO, thats what growing up is about. Learning how to do these things when you can't yet. Not....not doing at all in spite of these things.
This isn't necessarily directed AT you just the whole concept of red-shirting, its OUT OF HAND. I am not a supporter of it at all, unless there is an actual special need. It needs to stop.
Just curious - where do you see this out of hand? I'm in NJ so our cutoff is Dec. 1 in my district but every other town around us is Oct 1. My daughter is Oct. 22 and I decided to hold her. Her teacher said she would do ok in K but I am so happy about my decision. I felt she needed that year academically and socially, and i turned out to be right.
In her class, she is not the oldest but maybe the 4th oldest. There are a few kids in her grade with summer birthdays. I highly doubt they were held back to be the best or the biggest. Usually those kids had some type of academic issue. So I truly have not seen holding back as a way to make your kid the best. Maybe it does happen but I do not think that's the norm.
You need to do what's best for your child and not worry what anyone thinks. If you think they will do better later in life by doing another year of pre-k, then go with it. Most people say they do not regret holding, but they do regret pushing ahead.
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| Posted 3/2/16 5:07 PM |
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My oldest DC is getting ready to enter HS.
"back then" redshirting wasn't as popular as it is now. He is the oldest in the class simply because his bday is early January. He has quite a few classmates he is almost a full year older then.
It has made zero difference at this stage of the game. Not in sports, not in size, not in academics. I think a lot of the parents redshirting will feel foolish when they get to high school and see how little good it did.
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| Posted 3/2/16 5:37 PM |
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Xelindrya
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
We have issue with redshirting. (shocking the home of Friday Night Lights? You say!? LOL)
Our cut off is Sept 1st.
So for those who worry if holding back is a good idea or bad, just think, there are literally MILLIONS of other children who won't start because they turned 5 on Sept 2nd. So hold them back if you want. It's not like they'll be alone in the very big picture.
My daughter is just slightly on the other side with a late August birthday and people asked if would hold her back by putting her in a private school instead of public school to give her a chance to mature for Kindergarten. I saw absolutely no reason to. But I have a slight advantage. Personal experience. Her birthday is only two days after my own. I am one of those early babies. I was 16 when I started my Senior HS year and I was underage (17) when I went into college for a few week (I had a chaperone). I don't regret it a bit.
I keep telling my husband, she can literally take a year off after HS and no one will see the age gap. So if she wants to travel she can. If she wants to take an internship overseas during college, she can. Starting 'early' gives her that. But I don't care about redshirt. I care about that she can academically grow at her own pace. I figured if she faltered in Kinder, she could just redo it before it affected anything.
So my kid is the smallest of the class and one of the youngest. But not 'the' youngest :) Those are the Sept 1st babies!
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momtimes2
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Re: "fall babies" entering K
here in NC, the cutoff is august 31st, my son missed it by 9 days so when he started K in Aug of 2015, he was 2 weeks shy of 6 - he is the oldest in his class but has been doing great!!!
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