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chilltocam
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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

My nephew is struggling in school and has all along. He is now in 8th grade. His parents, in an effort to help him and to make sure he gets his assignments done, asked one of the teachers to provide them with the assignments (for each day, by week - whatever works best), by email or note home, because the teacher does not put assignments on the e-board. The teacher refused, saying my nephew is old enough to know what he has to do and she shouldn't have to provide him with this "extra". Is it really asking too much, to help a child who is struggling, so that his parents can know if he is doing what he is supposed to do? I was shocked to hear that the teacher refused their request.

Posted 11/4/15 12:06 PM
 

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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

My son is in seventh grade currently and last year I had put in a similar request (and this was sixth grade, big transition to middle school, etc). And I was also told that not only do they not have the time to do that, that he was old enough and needs to be more responsible and accountable.

The only thing I could get them to agree on is for each teacher to sign his "agenda book" daily to ensure he was writing down the homework properly. We did this for a while and it worked. So far this year in seventh grade, we have not had the need to do it. So maybe this technique worked in forming the habit of writing it down properly.

Another thing I did at the end of the year was to specifically call a meeting with the guidance counselor and request he be put in classes the next year with teachers who use the eboard. They did this, and that is helping a lot this year.

Posted 11/4/15 12:28 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Does he have an iep? I would schedule a meeting with the guidance counselor or the vice principal to discuss how he is slipping through the cracks.

Posted 11/4/15 4:14 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Posted by LSP2005

Does he have an iep? I would schedule a meeting with the guidance counselor or the vice principal to discuss how he is slipping through the cracks.



Yes he has an iep and the principal was at the meeting where the teacher refused to provide the assignments. They will be seeking further assistance, but it just seems ridiculous that the teacher, who knows he has problems, would refuse to help in a way that seems (at least to me - so maybe from a teacher's perspective there's more to it), a relatively minor way.

Posted 11/4/15 4:42 PM
 

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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

to be honest - I do think its a lot to ask just because those teachers can have 100+ students. If they started doing this for every kid whose parent just asked - it would be a nightmare. And they probably can't do for one and then have another parent ask and say No to them. I also tend to agree that at 8th grade it is the students responsibilty and even though your family is legit trying to help him - a lot of other parents will then turn it back on the teacher and blame them for missed homeworks or assignments. So unless there is a written reason on file at the school that the teacher is directed to do it - I would never expect them to take it on.

Posted 11/4/15 5:27 PM
 

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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Yes I think it is too much for the teacher. They have many students and only about 40 minutes to teach, doing extra taking away from the other students. I would sit down with guidance and try to come up with solutions. Does the teacher write them on the board? Can he take a picture of them with his phone? Does he need an aide for that class to keep him on track? In our school the teacher puts all assignments on the Parent Portal so we know what is needed. He may just need some organizational tips to keep him on track.

Posted 11/4/15 5:37 PM
 

chilltocam
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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

If the teacher would use the parent portal or e-board, it wouldn't be an issue. Most of his teachers do that, but this one refuses. I do understand that it can become a huge thing if a lot of kids/parents ask, but then why not put the info online? I appreciate all of the responses. My brother & SIL are just frustrated trying to help him and being met with no way to do so in this situation.

Posted 11/4/15 8:42 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Yes too much - unless he has special needs.

Today for the first time I brought my child into the PTC because I felt she needs to be part of a discussion when this is all about HER. She is my younger one and in 5th grade. I stress education and am hard on them with school work and grades however this is THEIR education and responsibility not as much mine. I have set the expectation and offer them the support they need and do email teachers but I refuse to be a helicopter.

Edited because I just saw the post about him being in an IEP. I hope they work with him. Can he ask one or 2 reliable classmates each day to make sure he has the assignments?

Message edited 11/4/2015 8:59:58 PM.

Posted 11/4/15 8:57 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Posted by chilltocam

If the teacher would use the parent portal or e-board, it wouldn't be an issue. Most of his teachers do that, but this one refuses. I do understand that it can become a huge thing if a lot of kids/parents ask, but then why not put the info online? I appreciate all of the responses. My brother & SIL are just frustrated trying to help him and being met with no way to do so in this situation.



If there is a parent portal for hw assignments then hw should be posted there that is what it is for and if she refuses I would complain to the principal again is it school policy that it be posted and she is going against school policy because if so that is a problem
if it is voluntary perhaps it needs to become school policy
I am a teacher and we need to accommodate all students esp if he has an iep, she is doing him a disservice by not working with you

Posted 11/4/15 9:26 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Where are homework assignments posted? Is he having trouble copying it accurately? I think the idea to take a picture of the assignment with the phone is a great idea.

Posted 11/4/15 9:33 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

No, I don't think asking the teacher to do this is too much. When I worked full-time, clients would ask for me to complete different tasks, meet tight deadlines, etc. and I always did. I certainly never said it was too much work. I would take the issue up with the department head or principal.

Posted 11/5/15 9:49 AM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

At that age, yes, it's asking to much of the teacher to spoon feed him his assignments. Kids need to learn to take responsibility for themselves at a certain point. If he were in 2nd grade I'd feel differently but in 8th grade, he should really know how to write an assignment down on his own.

ETA - Just saw he has an IEP. That might change my feelings a bit depending on his needs and what's outlined in his IEP.

Message edited 11/5/2015 12:21:51 PM.

Posted 11/5/15 12:18 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Being that he has an IEP, so obviously has some sort of special need, I say NO this isn't asking too much. Not at all. If this continues to be a problem, I would talk to special education department about calling a meeting to discuss providing an aide that will be able to copy the homework for him, so he can complete it successfully. I bet they will make the teacher assist him then. Pay for an aide, or have the teacher help?..... Also, if ALL his other teachers are doing this, why can't this ONE teacher do it? She sounds difficult, and I would fight that for sure!

My son has a 1:1 and she writes his homework down in each of his classes.

Message edited 11/5/2015 12:20:10 PM.

Posted 11/5/15 12:19 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Posted by bella321

No, I don't think asking the teacher to do this is too much. When I worked full-time, clients would ask for me to complete different tasks, meet tight deadlines, etc. and I always did. I certainly never said it was too much work. I would take the issue up with the department head or principal.



You're not comparing apples to apples here. What you do in the corporate world with clients isn't really the same or applicable to working with children in the classroom. At all. (and I say this as a former classroom teacher)

Posted 11/5/15 12:19 PM
 

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Posted by Hofstra26

At that age, yes, it's asking to much of the teacher to spoon feed him his assignments. Kids need to learn to take responsibility for themselves at a certain point. If he were in 2nd grade I'd feel differently but in 8th grade, he should really know how to write an assignment down on his own.



What is expected of a typical student is highly different than a child with special needs. He has an IEP so obviously has some sort of special needs ;)

Message edited 11/5/2015 12:21:55 PM.

Posted 11/5/15 12:21 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

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Posted by Hofstra26

At that age, yes, it's asking to much of the teacher to spoon feed him his assignments. Kids need to learn to take responsibility for themselves at a certain point. If he were in 2nd grade I'd feel differently but in 8th grade, he should really know how to write an assignment down on his own.



What is expected of a typical student is highly different than a child with special needs. He has an IEP so obviously has some sort of special needs ;)



Just saw that and edited my response. Chat Icon

Posted 11/5/15 12:22 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

If he has an IEP then it is not asking too much. What are his issues/needs? I'd have a solution written into the IEP. They should look into a psychoeducational assessment. A good one will include very specific and tailored school/classroom/teacher recommendations that can then be put into the IEP.

Posted 11/5/15 1:55 PM
 

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Is this asking too much of a teacher?

An IEP doesn't always mean that a student should receive something like this. The district would need to look into the cause of him not being able to copy down his homework on his own. That being said, by 8th grade I do think kids should be able to copy down assignments, and parent portals are often a crutch for the kids.

I also don't think I've even had a MS kid whose IEP required me writing down homework assignments for them.

Posted 11/5/15 7:16 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

An IEP is not a blanket "this child is given whatever they want."

I believe - unless otherwise directed in his IEP - that this is an unreasonable accomodation. You can't expect every teacher to honor requests like this - part of parenting and teaching is to teach your child to be responsible for their schoolwork. By 8th grade he should find a way to make sure he gets his assignments written down. That's on him and his parents - it's not the teachers job to coddle him.

Posted 11/6/15 12:51 PM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

I teach eighth grade math. I have to say this is unreasonable. The child is going to high school next year. I don't think I would honor this request as a teacher either for the following reason: if I happen to forget(amongst teaching my 100 students) to write down his hw for him or email you, is it then my fault he didn't do the hw? It's a slippery slope. I'm sure he has friends he can text in the teachers class and they can tell him the hw if he can't write it down himself. Also, an accommodation made for one child is not fair if I don't do it for everyone. I have plenty of students with ieps and 504s and they all manage to write down the hw everyday.

Posted 11/7/15 5:57 AM
 

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I teach eighth grade math. I have to say this is unreasonable. The child is going to high school next year. I don't think I would honor this request as a teacher either for the following reason: if I happen to forget(amongst teaching my 100 students) to write down his hw for him or email you, is it then my fault he didn't do the hw? It's a slippery slope. I'm sure he has friends he can text in the teachers class and they can tell him the hw if he can't write it down himself. Also, an accommodation made for one child is not fair if I don't do it for everyone. I have plenty of students with ieps and 504s and they all manage to write down the hw everyday.



You don't have 100 students in ONE period though.

I'm saddened by some of these responses. If a kid needs help, they need HELP. Who cares if it's 1st grade, 8th grade, or 12th grade. Who cares if your 35 others students with an IEP don't need help writing it down? If ONE does, why deny that help?

Yes a child SHOULD be able to do that, but not ALL can (my son is in 11th and CAN'T). How about do everything you can to HELP make the child successful. If ALL of the other teachers are doing this for the child, they are obviously making it work. Why can't the one teacher do it? Just to be difficult. Sad.

Posted 11/7/15 8:35 AM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

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Posted by lakadema

I teach eighth grade math. I have to say this is unreasonable. The child is going to high school next year. I don't think I would honor this request as a teacher either for the following reason: if I happen to forget(amongst teaching my 100 students) to write down his hw for him or email you, is it then my fault he didn't do the hw? It's a slippery slope. I'm sure he has friends he can text in the teachers class and they can tell him the hw if he can't write it down himself. Also, an accommodation made for one child is not fair if I don't do it for everyone. I have plenty of students with ieps and 504s and they all manage to write down the hw everyday.



You don't have 100 students in ONE period though.

I'm saddened by some of these responses. If a kid needs help, they need HELP. Who cares if it's 1st grade, 8th grade, or 12th grade. Who cares if your 35 others students with an IEP don't need help writing it down? If ONE does, why deny that help?

Yes a child SHOULD be able to do that, but not ALL can (my son is in 11th and CAN'T). How about do everything you can to HELP make the child successful. If ALL of the other teachers are doing this for the child, they are obviously making it work. Why can't the one teacher do it? Just to be difficult. Sad.



i agree. i taught high school, and would go around and make sure EVERY student wrote down their hw before we even began the lesson. Also, since there is a parent portal, I see no reason for the teacher not to have homework up there so the parents know what their child has to do.

edited to say none of my students had an IEP (as far as i knew)

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Posted 11/7/15 9:06 AM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by lakadema

I teach eighth grade math. I have to say this is unreasonable. The child is going to high school next year. I don't think I would honor this request as a teacher either for the following reason: if I happen to forget(amongst teaching my 100 students) to write down his hw for him or email you, is it then my fault he didn't do the hw? It's a slippery slope. I'm sure he has friends he can text in the teachers class and they can tell him the hw if he can't write it down himself. Also, an accommodation made for one child is not fair if I don't do it for everyone. I have plenty of students with ieps and 504s and they all manage to write down the hw everyday.



You don't have 100 students in ONE period though.

I'm saddened by some of these responses. If a kid needs help, they need HELP. Who cares if it's 1st grade, 8th grade, or 12th grade. Who cares if your 35 others students with an IEP don't need help writing it down? If ONE does, why deny that help?

Yes a child SHOULD be able to do that, but not ALL can (my son is in 11th and CAN'T). How about do everything you can to HELP make the child successful. If ALL of the other teachers are doing this for the child, they are obviously making it work. Why can't the one teacher do it? Just to be difficult. Sad.



I don't understand what "You don't have 100 students in ONE period" means. 100 students is a lot of students to have to manage across a day. Really think about it.
If this child, who has an IEP, needs this accommodation then it needs to be added to his IEP. By 8th grade, yes, he should be able to write down his own homework assignments. Or at least have a phone or iPad that he can take a picture of the assignment on the board or of a classmate's planner.
And to assume that the teacher is doing it to be difficult is rude. Perhaps the teacher is thinking that this student needs to learn compensatory strategies for remembering how to do his homework at night. As a teacher, that's what I would think. He is in 8th grade, let's teach him how to remember his own homework. Writing to his parents to tell them the homework each day is not helping him become more organized in any way.

Posted 11/7/15 1:51 PM
 

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Posted 11/8/15 10:22 AM
 

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Re: Is this asking too much of a teacher?

Posted by Kitten1929

An IEP is not a blanket "this child is given whatever they want."

I believe - unless otherwise directed in his IEP - that this is an unreasonable accomodation. You can't expect every teacher to honor requests like this - part of parenting and teaching is to teach your child to be responsible for their schoolwork. By 8th grade he should find a way to make sure he gets his assignments written down. That's on him and his parents - it's not the teachers job to coddle him.



I totally agree.

IEPs need to be adjusted yearly if not more. If you do not have this accommodation written in then it's time to call a meeting. Maybe he needs more assistance with a 1:1 in some classes, maybe he needs a scribe but unless you have a meeting and it is in the IEP the teacher has no obligation to accommodate special requests. It is nice if they do but legally they do not have too. It is always best to have whatever you need to make your child succeed in school in your IEP.

Posted 11/8/15 1:22 PM
 
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