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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
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Faithx2
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by KarenG2003
Welcome to the "Common Core"! Gone are the days when you were able to help your children with their homework! I teach 5th grade, and I seriously have to teach myself the lessons before I teach my students.....and most times, I don't understand them myself! I've never felt so dumb! My colleagues and I sit there trying to teach ourselves, and we're DUMBFOUNDED! It's awful, and it's made me despise the career I worked so hard to prepare for. This all came about because college professors complained that students weren't coming prepared for college. They said that students were not understanding the reasoning behind things.....all they know are procedures (think "carrying the one" when adding....it's not really a one, its a TEN.)  Please....I could go on and on about this. We're really not supposed to teach the kids anymore, either, believe it or not! We are now supposed to be "facilitators" and the students are supposed to be teaching each other. Lately I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone when I go to work. 
Wow  This says a lot. Thank you for being so honest!
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Jax430
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by rsquared
That is my issue as well. Especially students who struggle with language, ELL learners, ASD students, students with learning disabilities....math should be something where they have an opportunity to be successful, but the language processing skills needed to so this type of math are really advanced.
This is what really bothers me. These strategies put way too much language into math. A child who has difficulty with language processing, reading, writing, etc, but who might have a strength for math, gets totally lost and frustrated, when if taught the "old-fashioned" way, he might succeed in this area.
I feel like these math strategies are great for advanced students. They require a higher level of thinking, and are not appropriate for every child.
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rsquared
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by Jax430
Posted by rsquared
That is my issue as well. Especially students who struggle with language, ELL learners, ASD students, students with learning disabilities....math should be something where they have an opportunity to be successful, but the language processing skills needed to so this type of math are really advanced.
This is what really bothers me. These strategies put way too much language into math. A child who has difficulty with language processing, reading, writing, etc, but who might have a strength for math, gets totally lost and frustrated, when if taught the "old-fashioned" way, he might succeed in this area.
I feel like these math strategies are great for advanced students. They require a higher level of thinking, and are not appropriate for every child.
My students are SO good at arithmetic, calculation, etc. Sure, its all rote and maybe they don't have the number sense to back it up, but they can do it, and they enjoy doing it, and most importantly, they experience success and build their confidence. They are so cute when you ask them how they got their answer. One of my little ones told me "My brain told me!" I was cracking up!
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
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Posted by mommy0604
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Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
Thanks.
We picked 7 so it would be:
10+6 =16
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7+9=16
I teach 1st grade in va, we teach the different strategies, but I would never give it to them for homework!! It's just supposed to teach the students different ways to add and to help with their number sense! My parents would be sending me emails all night long if I sent that home for homework!! I just send regular problems and the students can use any strategy they learned! Good luck!!
This. I teach first and this strategy confused me. I teach them different methods and tell them to use what works for them. But this? So stupid.
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jgl
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by MissJones
Posted by katiebell
Posted by mommy0604
Posted by katiebell
Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
Thanks.
We picked 7 so it would be:
10+6 =16
and
7+9=16
I teach 1st grade in va, we teach the different strategies, but I would never give it to them for homework!! It's just supposed to teach the students different ways to add and to help with their number sense! My parents would be sending me emails all night long if I sent that home for homework!! I just send regular problems and the students can use any strategy they learned! Good luck!!
This. I teach first and this strategy confused me. I teach them different methods and tell them to use what works for them. But this? So stupid.
My school puts it on our list of what we are assessing to give them a grade on their report card so if they don't get that strategy it could bring down their math grade
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jgl
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by Teachergal
Just so everyone knows, these types of strategies are EXPECTED for first graders to know. They go along with the new Common Core Standards. So, no, math is no longer 9 + 7 = 16. Even if that's the way we were taught back in the day, kids are expected to know a lot more nowadays. My third graders are expected to know the Distributive Property. (4x6) = (4x2) + (4x4) or 4(2+4). That is insanely hard for 8 year olds!!!! But such is the math curriculum now.
We know they are expected, what some of us are arguing is that it isn't appropriate for 6 yr olds
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jpamama3
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I think it should look like this
10+7=17
7+9=16
Reasoning behind it is if 10+7=17, 9 is 1 less than 10, therefore 7+9=16.
You should just be using the number you picked. Most kids wouldn't think of putting the 6 in the equation. Also, they would have to use the 1 less strategy right in the beginning of the problem. Then adding 10, then the 1 less strategy again. If you do it the way I did, it is 2 steps. Adding 10, then 1 less.
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mommy0604
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
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Posted by mommy0604
Ok this is driving me a little nuts. I think I figured out the answer but I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys.
Here is the mat problem:
Pick 1 number from the box. The choices are 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9
Use words, numbers, or pictures to tell how you would make a 10 to add 9 to the number you picked.
Then write 2 addition sentences.
10 + _____ = _____
_____ + 9 = _____
DS picked 7 and I helped him figure out the addition sentences. We came up with :
10 + 6 = 16
7 + 9 = 16
Is this right?
You can use any of the numbers: 5,6,7,8, or 9 right? You just have to write out the math sentence and show the work using a 10 frame correct?
Yes Correct
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mommy0604
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by jpamama3
I think it should look like this
10+7=17
7+9=16
Reasoning behind it is if 10+7=17, 9 is 1 less than 10, therefore 7+9=16.
You should just be using the number you picked. Most kids wouldn't think of putting the 6 in the equation. Also, they would have to use the 1 less strategy right in the beginning of the problem. Then adding 10, then the 1 less strategy again. If you do it the way I did, it is 2 steps. Adding 10, then 1 less.
Did't think of it that way. I agree. We will have to change our answers.
Seriously this common core shit is making me crazy! They take a simple equation like 2 + 2 = 4 and just complicate the crap out of it. My son can add and subtract. But when it comes to the word problems it's another story. Some he gets and some he doesn't. Why in the name of God do they have to write Math stories????????????? He had a problem on a HW once that said Write a math story for 8 - 6 = 2. I was like "are they for f***ing real?" I'd like to get my hands on the person responsible for inventing the common core standards. I just want to ring their necks. 
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InShock
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
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Don't change your answer! The other way is what they're looking for (10+6=16 and 9+7=16).
Why is writing a math story for 8-6=2 so terrible?! I really don't get it. There were 8 birds. 6 flew away. How many are left? 2 That's definitely 1st grade appropriate.
Word problems and explaining your thinking is where math is these days. Why is it so bad for kids to have to <gasp> understand the meaning behind adding and subtracting? It's not!
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I took AP calculus and I can't figure this problem out.
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Teachergal
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by jgl
Posted by Teachergal
Just so everyone knows, these types of strategies are EXPECTED for first graders to know. They go along with the new Common Core Standards. So, no, math is no longer 9 + 7 = 16. Even if that's the way we were taught back in the day, kids are expected to know a lot more nowadays. My third graders are expected to know the Distributive Property. (4x6) = (4x2) + (4x4) or 4(2+4). That is insanely hard for 8 year olds!!!! But such is the math curriculum now.
We know they are expected, what some of us are arguing is that it isn't appropriate for 6 yr olds
There were too many people to quote so I didn't, but my answer was in response to those asking why the strategy was being taught. Those responses make it seems as if people don't necessarily know that they are expected. My response is that as teachers we are required to teach them. I'm not disagreeing that Common Core is hard and there are many days that I wish I didn't have to cover a certain standard because it is above my kids' heads, but if I don't, then I'm not covering what I'm supposed to. Also, they are going to be tested on it and I couldn't in good conscience not cover it when I know they will be presented with it on a test.
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MaZz
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
LOL. Whoa... I am hoping that by the time my child is in school, this "common core" will be long gone 
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KarenG2003
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
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LOL. Whoa... I am hoping that by the time my child is in school, this "common core" will be long gone
You and me both!!
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
i see any numbers and my brain shuts down......i hope my DD is better with math than i am and can figure this out!
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