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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Wrote a long answer and it was deleted. For a variety of reasons, I have no issue with the publication of these names.

Posted 12/26/12 11:25 PM
 
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Chat Icon I think its a step in the right direction. Good job for that paper! We need to bring awareness and starting locally is the way to go.



With all due respect.

"We need to bring awareness..."

To what? Legal gun owners? People who have followed the law to legally own a gun? Allowing criminals to now know where EVERYONE lives? Putting those peoples lives and homes in danger? "embarassing" legal gun owners?

I could not disagree with you more.

Publishing their names does nothing but put their lives and homes in danger.

We are loosing site that guns are and will be legal to own in this country. The law of the land says we are allowed. That will not change.

I beleiev there should be a thoughtful and serious look into HOW to manage gun controll. Evereyone is saying "we need gu controll now", but no one (legislaters) has really come up with "how".

And I plan to buy a gun very soon, actually. I want to buy one before it gets difficult. I want to go to the range and shoot. Nothing more. But I want to be able to buy a gun.

I will also:
1. Take a gun safety class.
2. Put a trigger lock on the gun.
3. Lock the gun in a case.




Awareness to who of our neighbors feel the need to own weapons. Personally, I dont think its necessary. If I want to shooting, I'd just go to a range and rent a gun. I would NOT want a gun in my house and if I had kids, he--lll NO. I wouldn't want my kids playing with other kids whose parents have guns in the house, I dont care how much lock and key they are under - Nancy Lanza probably had her gun well protected and we all saw how THAT turned out!

Personally, I just dont feel there is any need for private citizens (not affiliated with law enforcement) to own guns PERIOD. My personal opinion is that those people who feel the need to own guns "for protection" are doing so out of fear, and fear breeds irrationality. I am sure others disagree but thats
how I feel.

ETA: As to the argument that the list now advertises gun availiabiltiy to potential thieves, I have to say thats a bit counterintuitive - after all, the point of a private citizen in owning a gun "for protection" is precisely to ward off potential burglars and invaders..So, how does the list invite those burglars to steal the guns if those same guns are there [theoretically[ to prevent their entrance ? I dont quite find that argument to be well thought-out.



So out of curiosity, your kids are not allowed to be friends with cops' kids? News flash -- lots of cops on LI.



Law enforcement is excluded, as I imagine cops would go to great lengths to keep guns stashed away im safes, unloaded, in accordance with off duty procedures or whatnot. If I had kids, I would not feel comfortable leaning them in a house of a private citizen who has an arsenal of weapons in the home, and purely for sport or hobby. A child would be raised to understand the difference between someone owning/using a gun because they had to (cop/law enforcement) vs. hobby. I see Americas obsession with guns and a gun crazy culture to be just downright strange and unnecessary. The ultimate goal of any such weapon is to injure or kill another human being (hunting animals being an exception). Unless its a color a mountain lion hunter in the forest, I see no reason why the average private citizen should even NEED one.

Posted 12/27/12 12:04 AM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Just curious, but I have a question for all the parents on here who are saying they would want to know if their child is going on a play date at someones home who has a gun.

Previous to these recent gun discussions have you ever looked up the gun license list to check on the parents of kids your children associate with?

and have you ever asked someone if they had a gun in the home when your child was planning to go to their home?

This is not meant to be judgemental in any capacity, I'm genuinely curious if people have done this before.

Posted 12/27/12 12:35 AM
 

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Personally, I'd rather know if any of my neighbors were institutionalized, were ever arrested or served time...not if they legally obtained a permit to own a handgun, which doesn't even mean they own one...yet while Joe Schmoe whose name didn't make the paper has 2 rifles and a shotgun because a permit isn't required for those types of firearms.


The article was pointless. It doesn't make anyone safer with that information, nor does it prove anything.

Message edited 12/27/2012 7:45:05 AM.

Posted 12/27/12 7:37 AM
 

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I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.

Posted 12/27/12 9:43 AM
 

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I don't know how I really feel about it. I get it that the newspaper was thinking about the greater good and publishing the names of households that have gun permits. I hate guns and I don't want DD to play in home that has guns, so in that way, it helps I guess.

But in this day and age, with the tons of crazies out there, it can backfire. Homes with the guns can be targeted so the guns can be stolen or the homes without, since they cannot really defend themselves. No real gray area here.

Posted 12/27/12 9:58 AM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Gun owners yesterday: "The constitution is a sacred document! Every word in it must be interpreted literally, as our Founding Fathers intended!"

Gun owners today: "'Freedom of the press' doesn't mean that the *press* should have unlimited *freedom* to print this information! Times have changed since the constitution was written and anyone can access this article on the internet, you bozos!"

Posted 12/27/12 11:05 AM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by SummerMom

Gun owners yesterday: "The constitution is a sacred document! Every word in it must be interpreted literally, as our Founding Fathers intended!"

Gun owners today: "'Freedom of the press' doesn't mean that the *press* should have unlimited *freedom* to print this information! Times have changed since the constitution was written and anyone can access this article on the internet, you bozos!"





Chat Icon that's not it at all...they have a right...nobody is denying that this is legal. It's the intent behind it that is in question.

Posted 12/27/12 11:32 AM
 

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My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link

Message edited 12/27/2012 11:36:42 AM.

Posted 12/27/12 11:35 AM
 

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My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link



I saw some of DH's cop friends on FB posting something like this. It was an actual picture of the columnist's house from Google maps with his name address and phone # printed on it and an arrow pointing at the house.

Message edited 12/27/2012 11:55:49 AM.

Posted 12/27/12 11:38 AM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

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I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.



Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?

I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.

If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.

Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?

Posted 12/27/12 11:43 AM
 

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Posted by headoverheels

My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link



wow...you know...the sad part is that in the midst of all that has happened and how the gun debate has picked up steam, it's only causing MORE anger, MORE fighting, MORE divisiveness...AND... GUN SALES ARE UP! you can barely find them because they are selling out!

Someone on my FB posted that instead of bailing out the auto industry Obama should have threatened to ban cars because maybe then they would have sold out and the economy would be booming.Chat Icon

It's kind of true...and I blame the media for creating this frenzy.

eta: while two wrongs don't make a right...I can't blame people for posting their info. I would feel violated and targeted and would probably do the same in retaliation. The press wanted to prove a point...I'm not sure that they even made a point bc I just don't get it but all they did was show people it's perfectly legal to post public records on blast for all to see...and well...2 can play that game. I Wonder how they feel about that.

Message edited 12/27/2012 11:48:45 AM.

Posted 12/27/12 11:44 AM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Personally, I'd rather know if any of my neighbors were institutionalized, were ever arrested or served time...not if they legally obtained a permit to own a handgun, which doesn't even mean they own one...yet while Joe Schmoe whose name didn't make the paper has 2 rifles and a shotgun because a permit isn't required for those types of firearms.


The article was pointless. It doesn't make anyone safer with that information, nor does it prove anything.



Agreed.

Posted 12/27/12 12:16 PM
 

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Posted by NervousNell

Posted by headoverheels

My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link



I saw some of DH's cop friends on FB posting something like this. It was an actual picture of the columnist's house from Google maps with his name address and phone # printed on it and an arrow pointing at the house.



My DH (who enjoys hunting) also posted the same thing.

Posted 12/27/12 12:19 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

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I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.



Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?

I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.

If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.

Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?



I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.

ETA: I used to work for security guard company and was involved in the pistol permit application process. A few of the guards were armed and needed to apply for a license. The guns were never physically in the guard's home. Now what? They have a license but no gun on the property.

Message edited 12/27/2012 1:07:56 PM.

Posted 12/27/12 1:01 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by McSullivan

Posted by nrthshgrl

Posted by McSullivan

I'm actually shocked at the amount of people that agree with what this paper did. These aren't sex offenders - they have a LEGAL gun permit. Yes, this information is public record, but it doesn't have to be served up on a platter. What an outrageous invasion of privacy! It disturbs that so many of the people on this site support such a thing.



Why is it an invasion of privacy that something that is a public record is well, a public record?

I disagree that a paper should create a mapping feature. I think that information should be contained on a government website. And yes, if it's supposed to be public, let it be easily accessible.

If those permit holders have an issue with their permits being public, then they should lobby to have the information made private.

Should gun permits be private information? Or is the issue that it's on mapped for everyone to see?



I take issue with the fact that a newspaper made an interactive map. Yes, it's public information but there is a process in releasing/obtaining that information - it should not have been so irresponsibly put out there. There are so many things that are a matter of public record - should everything have an interactive map? Publishing the names and address of POLICE OFFICERS? Are you kidding me? Do you realize that 40% of the gun owners in that area are active or retired police officers? They have created a map straight to the cop's door. That's a disgrace. This "newspaper" has put so many people - law abiding people - at risk. By the way, their inclusion in the map does not mean that they actually have a gun - but that they had obtained a license. The Journal News capitalized on a tragedy and was very irresponsible with the information. I'm willing to bet that it had nothing to do with journalistic integrity and everything to do with publicity.



I looked at it on my laptop at work today (as opposed to my phone last night).

They don't have active police officers listed (unless I guess they request a permit from the county for some reason). I did see some retired officers names on there.

I know I could find it out on my own but, it alarms me that a certain neighbor is on the list. He and his wife just separated - with help from the local sheriff - and his kids are always in trouble - they shot bebe guns at our neighbors daughter and at people's homes and did extensive damage - to know that they could potentially have such easy access to a weapon so close to where my sons play bothers me.

Posted 12/27/12 1:12 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by headoverheels

My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link




Heard this yesterday, oh well huh? They are law abiding citizens and their information is public as is most who own a home. So who cares right? I mean 'whats the harm' and 'where's the crime'. Like others said its all public record just like marriage licenses.

I liked the comment who said "why dont we just walk around with yellow stars on our arm so you know who to look out for?" a permit or even owning a gun is not against the law and those who are following the law shouldn't be singled out, period.

I 100% agree with PP who said why dont we know if our neighbors are institutionalized or have other aggressive tendencies?


I STILL think the focus should be on mental health FIRST!

Posted 12/27/12 2:17 PM
 

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Posted by headoverheels

My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link




Heard this yesterday, oh well huh? They are law abiding citizens and their information is public as is most who own a home. So who cares right? I mean 'whats the harm' and 'where's the crime'. Like others said its all public record just like marriage licenses.

I liked the comment who said "why dont we just walk around with yellow stars on our arm so you know who to look out for?" a permit or even owning a gun is not against the law and those who are following the law shouldn't be singled out, period.

I 100% agree with PP who said why dont we know if our neighbors are institutionalized or have other aggressive tendencies?


I STILL think the focus should be on mental health FIRST!



I'm not sure why it needs to be a one-subject limit conversation. Why can't we discuss mental health AND gun control?

Also for your neighbors who have been institutionalized, that's not a public record. In fact there are laws protecting people from that very topic. Not saying I wouldn't be interested. Just saying it's not a public record.

Posted 12/27/12 2:43 PM
 

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Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by headoverheels

My DH just told me that in response/retaliation, the names and addresses of the employees at this paper were published online, anyone hear this?

ETA link




Heard this yesterday, oh well huh? They are law abiding citizens and their information is public as is most who own a home. So who cares right? I mean 'whats the harm' and 'where's the crime'. Like others said its all public record just like marriage licenses.

I liked the comment who said "why dont we just walk around with yellow stars on our arm so you know who to look out for?" a permit or even owning a gun is not against the law and those who are following the law shouldn't be singled out, period.

I 100% agree with PP who said why dont we know if our neighbors are institutionalized or have other aggressive tendencies?


I STILL think the focus should be on mental health FIRST!



I'm not sure why it needs to be a one-subject limit conversation. Why can't we discuss mental health AND gun control?

Also for your neighbors who have been institutionalized, that's not a public record. In fact there are laws protecting people from that very topic. Not saying I wouldn't be interested. Just saying it's not a public record.



That's my point...it's ok to infringe on the 2nd amendment but not the 5th (civil liberties) or 1st (freedom of speech) for some reason.

It's a complex issue involving all 3 (gun control, mental health and violent movies/video games).






Should we ban alcohol because of all the deaths that occur from that?

Message edited 12/27/2012 3:21:23 PM.

Posted 12/27/12 2:49 PM
 

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That's my point...it's ok to infringe on the 2nd amendment but not the 5th (civil liberties) or 1st (freedom of speech) for some reason.

It's a complex issue involving all 3 (gun control, mental health and violent movies/video games).

Should we ban alcohol because of all the deaths that occur from that?



How is publishing the names of gun owners infringing on their rights? If it's a public list, it's a public list? Again if it's not a public list, then it shouldn't be made public.

The US Supreme Court cannot decide its original intent.:

The only Supreme Court ruling in U.S. history that has focused primarily on the issue of what the Second Amendment really means is U.S. v. Miller (1939), which is also the last time the Court examined the amendment in any serious way. In Miller, the Court affirmed a median interpretation holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms, but only if the arms in question are those that would be useful as part of a citizen militia. Or maybe not; interpretations vary, partly because Miller is not an exceptionally well-written ruling. (Source: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/p/2nd_amendment.htm)

As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.

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Posted 12/27/12 4:02 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

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Posted by Chatham-Chick

That's my point...it's ok to infringe on the 2nd amendment but not the 5th (civil liberties) or 1st (freedom of speech) for some reason.

It's a complex issue involving all 3 (gun control, mental health and violent movies/video games).

Should we ban alcohol because of all the deaths that occur from that?



How is publishing the names of gun owners infringing on their rights? If it's a public list, it's a public list? Again if it's not a public list, then it shouldn't be made public.




Because we have the right to our own privacy. Period.

Once I close my front door you have no right to just know all that goes on inside.

What about the article that said the women of domestic violence are now worried? Their safety doesn't matter? Their right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

I can't have a liberty and happiness if I live in fear, can I? The information is public, yes but you need to REQUEST it so its tracable.

I'm with the PP, I can't believe that people think this is ok under ANY circumstances. You could use the same justification for targeting same sex marriages, voter's registration, etc. We should ALL have a right to our privacy to some extent. Public records should be somewhat monitored.

The newspaper has a responsibility to the safety of the people they have put in danger by making them targets of anger, bias or other mistreatment. What if a business owner has a permit but no gun (changed his mind) and loses business because people think 'he's one of those" etc.

Yes, I get it, its not a crime
But I see this as a way to create hate crimes. It put people's lives in danger from bodily harm as well as reputations, businesses and who knows what else.

It is just wrong.

They pushed this too far. They drew a line. I think we were all ok with disagreeing but AGREEING on mental health and no need for machine guns now its just a whole new issue. Why bother getting a permit if you will attract this attention?

Want to do us a favor rerun that list they have and look for criminal backgrounds.

I dont think those who support gun restrictios will EVER see this as a bad thing because they got something out of it. They were on the other side of the line but once you cross this type of line whats to stop them or us from doing it again? This was a dangerous game they played. And utterly unncessary.

Not all gun permit owners break laws
Not all gun permit owners OWN a gun
Not all gun owners HAVE a permit
Not all criminals have a permit

Posted 12/27/12 4:36 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

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That's my point...it's ok to infringe on the 2nd amendment but not the 5th (civil liberties) or 1st (freedom of speech) for some reason.

It's a complex issue involving all 3 (gun control, mental health and violent movies/video games).

Should we ban alcohol because of all the deaths that occur from that?



How is publishing the names of gun owners infringing on their rights? If it's a public list, it's a public list? Again if it's not a public list, then it shouldn't be made public.

The US Supreme Court cannot decide its original intent.:

The only Supreme Court ruling in U.S. history that has focused primarily on the issue of what the Second Amendment really means is U.S. v. Miller (1939), which is also the last time the Court examined the amendment in any serious way. In Miller, the Court affirmed a median interpretation holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms, but only if the arms in question are those that would be useful as part of a citizen militia. Or maybe not; interpretations vary, partly because Miller is not an exceptionally well-written ruling. (Source: http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/p/2nd_amendment.htm)




I'm not stating publishing public records is infringing on their rights. BUT what did it do for the public at large? Do you truly think you and the public is safer for knowing who has a permit for a handgun? A PERMIT...it doesn't even mean they own a handgun!!!!!




What I'm saying is that if we're going to start infringing on legal gun owners' rights (bans and the like), we might want to consider addressing other issues as well, those being mental health (involuntary commitment/privacy issues and the potential of desensitization of violence due to movies and video games.)


This isn't just a gun issue, which much of the media has made it out to be.

Posted 12/27/12 4:39 PM
 

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As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.




But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.


Has the regulation on alcohol stopped all the deaths and incidents? Wouldn't it be wiser to get rid of all bars???? Afterall, what's the point of having a location many drive to to specifically drink and then drive home? We give people the freedom and assume they will be responsible. Occasionally people aren't and some people die as a result. Heck, some people even drink and drive without a license or an insured vehicle (meaning they don't belong behind the wheel prior to alcohol) and end up killing/hurting innocent people.

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Posted 12/27/12 4:43 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by nrthshgrl

As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.




But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.




Because I truly don't understand, what are the various uses for semi-automatic & automatic weapons in the hands of civilians? For lack of a better term, it really seems like over-kill to me. The only people I know who are gun owners are law-enforcement or hunters who use rifles because the other weapons would destroy the meat.

Posted 12/27/12 4:50 PM
 

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Re: Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners’ Names and Addresses

Posted by Chatham-Chick

Posted by nrthshgrl

As for banning alcohol because of the deaths, I'm not seeing the correlation. Alcohol is already regulated. I don't see anyone saying ban all guns.




But they are trying to ban some guns that a lot of people use for various reasons, 99.9% of them not being to murder individuals.


Has the regulation on alcohol stopped all the deaths and incidents? Wouldn't it be wiser to get rid of all bars???? Afterall, what's the point of having a location many drive to to specifically drink and then drive home? We give people the freedom and assume they will be responsible. Occasionally people aren't and some people die as a result. Heck, some people even drink and drive without a license or an insured vehicle (meaning they don't belong behind the wheel prior to alcohol) and end up killing/hurting innocent people.



Regulating alcohol, raising the drinking age, stricter sentencing for DUI/DWI offenders has absolutely changed the number of alcohol related deaths.

I dont' think anyone thinks regulating guns will prevent every death by guns but it will certainly reduce the tragedies.

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