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Verizon Strike
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by MM2004
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He rallied with some striking workers last week. I agree.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by kn2011
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he fears the same thing again. Also, they definitely aren't the classiest bunch of people either, posting pics of their teenage kids holding up strike signs and giving the finger, publicly cursing out the CEO, and many more things I'm seeing. Perhaps they need to express themselves a little more professionally if they expect progress. And they should also recognize that not everyone has the luxury to sit around and picket all day long and that the "scab" who continues to work may only be doing so so that he doesn't lose his home, his family doesn't go hungry and his utilities stay on regardless of whether or not he agrees with the strike.
This is a joke right??? Seriously?? You think they WANT to be out of work? You are a piece of work
Wow calm down. Where in there did you see me write that they all want to be out of work? All I said was that they need to be less trashy on their picket lines. And like another poster said, no it certainly isn't all of them that do these things but unfortunately a few bad apples can make the rest look bad.
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Re: Verizon Strike
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Re: Verizon Strike
I think the "scab" reference was to illustrate a difference between lower level managers who still have to report to work and other contract workers being brought in from other places. I hope that this ends very, very quickly.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by cds58019
Posted by kn2011
Posted by cds58019
he fears the same thing again. Also, they definitely aren't the classiest bunch of people either, posting pics of their teenage kids holding up strike signs and giving the finger, publicly cursing out the CEO, and many more things I'm seeing. Perhaps they need to express themselves a little more professionally if they expect progress. And they should also recognize that not everyone has the luxury to sit around and picket all day long and that the "scab" who continues to work may only be doing so so that he doesn't lose his home, his family doesn't go hungry and his utilities stay on regardless of whether or not he agrees with the strike.
This is a joke right??? Seriously?? You think they WANT to be out of work? You are a piece of work
Wow calm down. Where in there did you see me write that they all want to be out of work? All I said was that they need to be less trashy on their picket lines. And like another poster said, no it certainly isn't all of them that do these things but unfortunately a few bad apples can make the rest look bad.
Sitting on a picket line in a luxury?? Im pretty sure its far from that. My husband would Love to be able to work right now to pay our mortgage, feed our family, and keep our utilities on.. but he doesnt have THAT luxury.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by Kath14
Posted by MM2004
My husband feels like there is much more public support. Last strike he heard a lot of idiots screaming "Go back to work..." but so none of that. In fact, people have been stopping, talking to the strikers, buying them coffee and donuts.
There are always idiots in every situation and those that are not behaving "classy" on the picket lines should behave themselves better.
As for scabs, I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned they are taking food out of my child's mouth and I hope they realize that when they cash their paychecks.
I think the "scab" reference was to illustrate a difference between lower level managers who still have to report to work and other contract workers being brought in from other places. I hope that this ends very, very quickly.
Exactly. The rest of the world can't stop working just because of this strike but they rip them apart anyway. They even are posting pictures of them working and bashing them there too.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
The way you write your posts SURELY does not show you sympathize for anyone -- basically you're calling us classless white trash.. This company is basically trying to ruin our family structure. Sending people away for months at a time. People are upset and angry. They have been calm and patient for TEN months. They have gotten nowhere.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by kn2011
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
The way you write your posts SURELY does not show you sympathize for anyone -- basically you're calling us classless white trash.. This company is basically trying to ruin our family structure. Sending people away for months at a time. People are upset and angry. They have been calm and patient for TEN months. They have gotten nowhere.
The ones who have no class are the ones that I gave examples of earlier that unfortunately will reflect on the ones who aren't like that too. You don't need to preach to me what the strike is about and I never once said that this strike wasn't necessary. But it should be done properly by all. Did you hear of the picketer who literally threw himself in front of a managers moving car? what about the Verizon equipment that was purposely damaged to cause more issues that managers have to deal with?
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
Really?? But when the republican front runner, Donald Trump talks like that, he's just being, "honest". Give me an effen break. Look around you at our society. You're so offended by a F*ck Verizon sign??? Do you understand the magnitude of what's on the line here for people? Many people on LI live paycheck to paycheck or only have a month or two in savings. Again, a multi billion dollar company!! So yes, I second their F*ck Verizon sentiment. If that means I'm lacking class, so be it!!!
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by MM2004
Bernie
He rallied with some striking workers last week. I agree.
#feelthebern!! So mad I couldn't vote today!!
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by mosh913
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
Really?? But when the republican front runner, Donald Trump talks like that, he's just being, "honest". Give me an effen break. Look around you at our society. You're so offended by a F*ck Verizon sign??? Do you understand the magnitude of what's on the line here for people? Many people on LI live paycheck to paycheck or only have a month or two in savings. Again, a multi billion dollar company!! So yes, I second their F*ck Verizon sentiment. If that means I'm lacking class, so be it!!!
You're so classless 
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by mosh913
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
Really?? But when the republican front runner, Donald Trump talks like that, he's just being, "honest". Give me an effen break. Look around you at our society. You're so offended by a F*ck Verizon sign??? Do you understand the magnitude of what's on the line here for people? Many people on LI live paycheck to paycheck or only have a month or two in savings. Again, a multi billion dollar company!! So yes, I second their F*ck Verizon sentiment. If that means I'm lacking class, so be it!!!
1. I never said I was offended by it. It just looks trashy.
2. When do I say it was ok for Trump to do it?
3. As I've stated multiple times now, I am very well aware of how many people are severely affected by this. I even said how sorry I am for them that they have to deal with this.
4. I am in no way defending Verizon so not sure why you are getting your panties in a bunch over what I'm pointing out.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by MM2004
My husband feels like there is much more public support. Last strike he heard a lot of idiots screaming "Go back to work..." but so none of that. In fact, people have been stopping, talking to the strikers, buying them coffee and donuts.
There are always idiots in every situation and those that are not behaving "classy" on the picket lines should behave themselves better.
As for scabs, I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned they are taking food out of my child's mouth and I hope they realize that when they cash their paychecks.
The company is taking food from your kids mouth, not the management forced to work. This Union knows they could potentially be out of work every 3 years, it needs to be planned for. When I was a kid my parent was out of work for a VERY long time (half year if not longer). It sucks for all involved.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by Tah-wee-ZAH
Posted by Kissy331
No idea, my dad is retired from Verizon but when I was younger, they were on strike 6 months.
My dad is retired Verizon as well.
He was a single parent.
The 1989-90 strike was almost 1 year long. He had a LI mortgage and I was a junior at Ithaca College (18K back then). He did any odd home improvement job for friends and family for $$$.
My heart goes out to the striking workers and their families. The Verizon strikes forever changed me. I'm very financially conservative, all because of what we went through.
The corporate higher-ups have enough. The working men and women deserve a livable wage.
This is the strike I remember. Very scary, you need money to fall back on.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by Millie3
Posted by MM2004
My husband feels like there is much more public support. Last strike he heard a lot of idiots screaming "Go back to work..." but so none of that. In fact, people have been stopping, talking to the strikers, buying them coffee and donuts.
There are always idiots in every situation and those that are not behaving "classy" on the picket lines should behave themselves better.
As for scabs, I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned they are taking food out of my child's mouth and I hope they realize that when they cash their paychecks.
The company is taking food from your kids mouth, not the management forced to work. This Union knows they could potentially be out of work every 3 years, it needs to be planned for. When I was a kid my parent was out of work for a VERY long time (half year if not longer). It sucks for all involved.
Not all Scabs are management
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by cds58019
Posted by kn2011
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
The way you write your posts SURELY does not show you sympathize for anyone -- basically you're calling us classless white trash.. This company is basically trying to ruin our family structure. Sending people away for months at a time. People are upset and angry. They have been calm and patient for TEN months. They have gotten nowhere.
The ones who have no class are the ones that I gave examples of earlier that unfortunately will reflect on the ones who aren't like that too. You don't need to preach to me what the strike is about and I never once said that this strike wasn't necessary. But it should be done properly by all. Did you hear of the picketer who literally threw himself in front of a managers moving car? what about the Verizon equipment that was purposely damaged to cause more issues that managers have to deal with?
Yes, I am aware of those wrong doings. But how many are on strike? And how many damaged equip and jumped in front of a car? I am sure that math comes out to way less than 1%. I stopped by the rally in NYC yesterday. They were blowing whistles (gasp).
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
I think (or hope) that people are slowly starting to see the reality of what these obscene CEO salaries and tax dodges are doing.
Found this about the Verizon CEO:
As Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC, Lowell C. McAdam made $18,260,568 in total compensation. Of this total $1,661,538 was received as a salary, $4,000,000 was received as a bonus, $0 was received in stock options, $12,000,065 was awarded as stock and $598,965 came from other types of compensation. This information is according to proxy statements filed for the 2015 fiscal year.
I think these statements are so misleading. That majority of his compensation was likely is RSUs. Most upper management at large corporations receive their compensation in that form. Most of my DHs salary is the same. They are awarded a certain amount of shares and if the stock does well their shares value increases and the payout is big, however, if the stock tanks then so does their comp. it is very risky and upper management carries that risk. It is supposed to incentivize them to make the company profitable - "skin in the game" if you will. I don't understand why so much vitriol is aimed at CEOs and their salaries, when CEOs are actually shouldering the burdens of large companies with thousands of employees. Meanwhile, professional athletes are paid a ridiculous amount for playing a game and no one bats an eyelash.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by kn2011
Posted by Millie3
Posted by MM2004
My husband feels like there is much more public support. Last strike he heard a lot of idiots screaming "Go back to work..." but so none of that. In fact, people have been stopping, talking to the strikers, buying them coffee and donuts.
There are always idiots in every situation and those that are not behaving "classy" on the picket lines should behave themselves better.
As for scabs, I'm sorry but as far as I'm concerned they are taking food out of my child's mouth and I hope they realize that when they cash their paychecks.
The company is taking food from your kids mouth, not the management forced to work. This Union knows they could potentially be out of work every 3 years, it needs to be planned for. When I was a kid my parent was out of work for a VERY long time (half year if not longer). It sucks for all involved.
Not all Scabs are management
at this point in time all people who are working are lower level management employees who have been deployed. If the strike goes no longer then contractors will be employed too.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
I think (or hope) that people are slowly starting to see the reality of what these obscene CEO salaries and tax dodges are doing.
Found this about the Verizon CEO:
As Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC, Lowell C. McAdam made $18,260,568 in total compensation. Of this total $1,661,538 was received as a salary, $4,000,000 was received as a bonus, $0 was received in stock options, $12,000,065 was awarded as stock and $598,965 came from other types of compensation. This information is according to proxy statements filed for the 2015 fiscal year.
I think these statements are so misleading. That majority of his compensation was likely is RSUs. Most upper management at large corporations receive their compensation in that form. Most of my DHs salary is the same. They are awarded a certain amount of shares and if the stock does well their shares value increases and the payout is big, however, if the stock tanks then so does their comp. it is very risky and upper management carries that risk. It is supposed to incentivize them to make the company profitable - "skin in the game" if you will. I don't understand why so much vitriol is aimed at CEOs and their salaries, when CEOs are actually shouldering the burdens of large companies with thousands of employees. Meanwhile, professional athletes are paid a ridiculous amount for playing a game and no one bats an eyelash.
The above came from Verizon's proxy statments so I don't see what is misleading about this. Even if much of it is stock, his salary and bonus alone were over $5 million. And this has nothing to do with professional athletes- while I agree that their salaries are over the top, the work they do is not anything like that of a CEO's. They're not running businesses and employing large numbers of people.
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by Jugglemom
Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
I think (or hope) that people are slowly starting to see the reality of what these obscene CEO salaries and tax dodges are doing.
Found this about the Verizon CEO:
As Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS INC, Lowell C. McAdam made $18,260,568 in total compensation. Of this total $1,661,538 was received as a salary, $4,000,000 was received as a bonus, $0 was received in stock options, $12,000,065 was awarded as stock and $598,965 came from other types of compensation. This information is according to proxy statements filed for the 2015 fiscal year.
I think these statements are so misleading. That majority of his compensation was likely is RSUs. Most upper management at large corporations receive their compensation in that form. Most of my DHs salary is the same. They are awarded a certain amount of shares and if the stock does well their shares value increases and the payout is big, however, if the stock tanks then so does their comp. it is very risky and upper management carries that risk. It is supposed to incentivize them to make the company profitable - "skin in the game" if you will. I don't understand why so much vitriol is aimed at CEOs and their salaries, when CEOs are actually shouldering the burdens of large companies with thousands of employees. Meanwhile, professional athletes are paid a ridiculous amount for playing a game and no one bats an eyelash.
The above came from Verizon's proxy statments so I don't see what is misleading about this. Even if much of it is stock, his salary and bonus alone were over $5 million. And this has nothing to do with professional athletes- while I agree that their salaries are over the top, the work they do is not anything like that of a CEO's. They're not running businesses and employing large numbers of people.
That is exactly my point. CEOs are responsible for companies employing thousands of people. Baseball players are responsible for? I think I the CEO salary is much harder earned especially considering what it takes to lead a multinational company. I think it is is fashionable for politicians to vilify CEO's but they don't vilify other high earners like athletes and actors meanwhile those professions don't contribute as much to the economy. I don't think $5 million is an unreasonable or outrageousness salary for a CEO. If you are responsible for the growth and profitability of a company you should get a portion of that. I think it is an irrelevant comparison to compare the highest earner of a company to the lowest. Obviously not all jobs and professions are created equally. The comparisons between the blue collar workers of a company and upper management are like comparing apples to oranges.
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| Posted 4/19/16 10:45 PM |
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mosh913
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
Really?? But when the republican front runner, Donald Trump talks like that, he's just being, "honest". Give me an effen break. Look around you at our society. You're so offended by a F*ck Verizon sign??? Do you understand the magnitude of what's on the line here for people? Many people on LI live paycheck to paycheck or only have a month or two in savings. Again, a multi billion dollar company!! So yes, I second their F*ck Verizon sentiment. If that means I'm lacking class, so be it!!!
1. I never said I was offended by it. It just looks trashy.
2. When do I say it was ok for Trump to do it?
3. As I've stated multiple times now, I am very well aware of how many people are severely affected by this. I even said how sorry I am for them that they have to deal with this.
4. I am in no way defending Verizon so not sure why you are getting your panties in a bunch over what I'm pointing out.
I'm "getting my panties in a bunch" because I don't appreciate you making a general statement about a picket line that you might have passed that my husband might have been on or someone else's husband or wife might have been on and calling these people trashy. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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| Posted 4/20/16 7:14 AM |
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cds58019
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Re: Verizon Strike
Posted by mosh913
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Posted by cds58019
Posted by mosh913
Of course not! Even though they make billions in profit every year, pay minimal taxes but yet they don't want to compensate their workers. Meanwhile this isn't even about wages. It's about job security, and being able to ship workers 100 miles from where they live. My husband works for Verizon, and we're pregnant with our 3rd baby. Being worried is an understatement. Not only are we going to be missing his income but my income with be substantially less because picking up my health insurance costs more. This is really a fight for the middle class and for anyone who thinks its not, is out of touch with reality. And to the poster who said these people are lacking class, have some empathy!! Put yourself in these workers shoes. I know for a fact my husband has a TON of class (wouldn't have married him if he didn't). I don't know what you or your SO does for a living but I truly hope that statement isn't you just masking your opinion of these jobs. Kinda sounds like you think you're better. To all the other families, we're in this together and I'm praying it can be settled quickly. Is it just me or does it seem like we have more public support than the strike in 2011?
Trust me, I am all to familiar with these positions and what is going on. But you tell me how professional it looks when "F*ck Verizon" signs are being held up at these events? If I was an outsider who wasn't aware of what was going on already then they surely would not be getting my sympathy. I sympathize greatly for these families and never once said I was better than anyone. I truly hope, for everyone involved, that this is settled quickly.
Really?? But when the republican front runner, Donald Trump talks like that, he's just being, "honest". Give me an effen break. Look around you at our society. You're so offended by a F*ck Verizon sign??? Do you understand the magnitude of what's on the line here for people? Many people on LI live paycheck to paycheck or only have a month or two in savings. Again, a multi billion dollar company!! So yes, I second their F*ck Verizon sentiment. If that means I'm lacking class, so be it!!!
1. I never said I was offended by it. It just looks trashy.
2. When do I say it was ok for Trump to do it?
3. As I've stated multiple times now, I am very well aware of how many people are severely affected by this. I even said how sorry I am for them that they have to deal with this.
4. I am in no way defending Verizon so not sure why you are getting your panties in a bunch over what I'm pointing out.
I'm "getting my panties in a bunch" because I don't appreciate you making a general statement about a picket line that you might have passed that my husband might have been on or someone else's husband or wife might have been on and calling these people trashy. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Their actions on the picket line are making them look trashy, not the fact that they're on the picket line. And only the ones that are doing these things so if you're husband isn't the one doing them then why are you getting so offended?
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| Posted 4/20/16 8:55 AM |
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Kath14
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Re: Verizon Strike
The work is being done at this point, primarily by managers, some of whom have been temporarily assigned from other states, which I am sure neither they nor their families are happy about.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/verizon-turns-to-shadow-workforce-amid-strike-1461058202
I 100% disagree with jobs being sent overseas, with retiree health benefits being diminished, and with relocating employees far from home.
I don't want anyone's family to go without a paycheck or health insurance.
I also disagree with chasing managers ("mobile picketing"), with anyone being physically harmed or threatened in any way, with finding personal information about people and making thinly veiled threats about their family, and with swearing, saying disgusting things, and menacing people who are working under pretty awful conditions.
There has to be a better way out for everyone.
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| Posted 4/20/16 10:48 AM |
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