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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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5. The fact that fast food workers will be making more then EMT, FDNY, Rookie NYPD and DSNY is mind blowing.
Is this an actual fact? Those are also jobs with good benefits and pensions- as far as I know the average fast food worker does not get much in the way of pensions and insurance.
I feel like I already see adults working in fast food- not so many HS kids any more. I'd rather see someone with a family be able to take home a little more in pocket and not need food stamps.
But that's just coming from my own thoughts, I don't know what the impact will be economically.
FF workers working 40hrs a week at $15 an hour will have a yearly salary of $31,200 (not sure if that includes benefits, insurance, PTO, etc.)
A NYC EMT's starting base salary for the first year is $31,931. *Base salary does not reflect overtime, shift differential, meal money and benefits. Salary and vacation provisions are subject to change pursuant to collective bargaining settlements.
A NYC Firefighter's starting salary is $39,370 plus $3,704 in fringe benefits totaling $43,074. * Fringe benefits reflect overtime, holiday pay and other differentials
I keep seeing different things for NYPD starting but according to NYC.gov, it's $34,970 Starting salary (including holiday pay, uniform pay and night differential).
DSNY - The current minimum salary is $33,746 per annum. This rate is subject to change. Upon
completion of 6 months employment, the salary will rise to $36,607.
Also keep in mind that FF workers will not be making $15/hr until 2020-2021 so the above starting salaries could change by then.
I think the big difference is that one is a civil service job and the other is a for-profit company. The only one who benefits from NOT raising minimum wage is the Fast Food Company who is paying the salary. I would rather some of their profits go to their employees! I rather pay a dollar more for my hamburger if a single mother has a larger pay check.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
The world is not going to implode if fast-food workers EVENTUALLY earn $15/hour pre-tax/benefits.
I promise, we will all survive.
We need to be focusing our attention to the greedy capitalists who are (figuratively) raping their employees and our country in general. Mom and pop shops can't compete with them either, so why blame the employee? And how many people here on LIF alone know of businesses that run cash-only, pay off the books, and live in mansions all while skirting the law and treating their employees like slaves?
Forget that it's McDonald's...do people REALLY think asking for a livable wage is unrealistic? "Minimum wage" laws were created in 1938 and have fallen behind on inflation - it should be close to $11 by now. The poverty level for a single mother of 2 kids is $20,090 - that equates to $9.65 per hour, pre-tax, working 40 hours per week. Pay rent, utilities and keep food on the table - oh wait, and pay someone to watch your children too, on $9.65 per hour.
You pay people more money, they have more money to spend, keeping businesses in business.
So yes, let's definitely keep out country in poverty. It benefits the people who will never ever have to suffer it.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by SecretTTCer
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Posted by MrsProfessor
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
5. The fact that fast food workers will be making more then EMT, FDNY, Rookie NYPD and DSNY is mind blowing.
Is this an actual fact? Those are also jobs with good benefits and pensions- as far as I know the average fast food worker does not get much in the way of pensions and insurance.
I feel like I already see adults working in fast food- not so many HS kids any more. I'd rather see someone with a family be able to take home a little more in pocket and not need food stamps.
But that's just coming from my own thoughts, I don't know what the impact will be economically.
FF workers working 40hrs a week at $15 an hour will have a yearly salary of $31,200 (not sure if that includes benefits, insurance, PTO, etc.)
A NYC EMT's starting base salary for the first year is $31,931. *Base salary does not reflect overtime, shift differential, meal money and benefits. Salary and vacation provisions are subject to change pursuant to collective bargaining settlements.
A NYC Firefighter's starting salary is $39,370 plus $3,704 in fringe benefits totaling $43,074. * Fringe benefits reflect overtime, holiday pay and other differentials
I keep seeing different things for NYPD starting but according to NYC.gov, it's $34,970 Starting salary (including holiday pay, uniform pay and night differential).
DSNY - The current minimum salary is $33,746 per annum. This rate is subject to change. Upon
completion of 6 months employment, the salary will rise to $36,607.
Also keep in mind that FF workers will not be making $15/hr until 2020-2021 so the above starting salaries could change by then.
I think the big difference is that one is a civil service job and the other is a for-profit company. The only one who benefits from NOT raising minimum wage is the Fast Food Company who is paying the salary. I would rather some of their profits go to their employees! I rather pay a dollar more for my hamburger if a single mother has a larger pay check.
Completely agree.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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The world is not going to implode if fast-food workers EVENTUALLY earn $15/hour pre-tax/benefits.
I promise, we will all survive.
We need to be focusing our attention to the greedy capitalists who are (figuratively) raping their employees and our country in general. Mom and pop shops can't compete with them either, so why blame the employee? And how many people here on LIF alone know of businesses that run cash-only, pay off the books, and live in mansions all while skirting the law and treating their employees like slaves?
Forget that it's McDonald's...do people REALLY think asking for a livable wage is unrealistic? "Minimum wage" laws were created in 1938 and have fallen behind on inflation - it should be close to $11 by now. The poverty level for a single mother of 2 kids is $20,090 - that equates to $9.65 per hour, pre-tax, working 40 hours per week. Pay rent, utilities and keep food on the table - oh wait, and pay someone to watch your children too, on $9.65 per hour.
You pay people more money, they have more money to spend, keeping businesses in business.
So yes, let's definitely keep out country in poverty. It benefits the people who will never ever have to suffer it.
I don't think people would be up in arms if you said, make it 11 or even 12.50 for minimum wage across the board. I would in fact bet people would be beyond thrilled with that. But, to single out only one industry, is where I have a huge problem with it. Yes CEO pay is way to high. But if you think for one second this is coming out of their pockets, it's not. They are going to cut jobs for machines. They are going to require franchise owners to take it out of their pockets first. So it will hurt the real middle class. This is a wealth transfer from the middle class to the poor. Not the wealthy to the poor. They are going to make more poor people because more people will loose their jobs.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I feel like $15 is a huge jump in pay, and I don't think it's fair that it's only for fast food workers, while there are still so many other professions requiring more skill, effort, education, etc, that dont make that much. I'm pretty sure that's more than daycare workers make, because I interviewed with tutor time a few years ago, and the best they could offer me as a lead teacher with a masters degree was 12 an hour. So the person dumping fries into cardboard containers will be making more than people responsible for a room full of babies?
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
FTR, lots of caregiver positions don't come with benefits either.
They are hourly.
Also these agencies are for-profits and the people in power are doing well, but NYS is doing everything In their power now to cut overtime and time in general....which means if you are in a union your insurance is cut because you need to be working a certain # of hours.
I do feel that people should have a basic right to insurance. But the cost for that is insane too.
I've worked in places where they barely covered anything so half my paycheck was going to it each week.
I currently make a pretty modest salary by LIF standards but have pretty good benefits.
I wouldn't be able to live here though if we were not a 2-income household.
And DH is self-employed so I know how the little guys get affected too.
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Seattle has the minimum wage at $15 an hour everywhere. It's back firing on them.... They have people on welfare wanting to work less hours now so they can still collect their check. (This was to help lower the amount of people in welfare) you also have places closing by they can't afford it. Waitress and waiters making $15 an hour now are getting tipped less and they are making less this way by the tips were more than $15 an hour. Also a lot of businesses are to giving and perks anymore be they can't afford it. Like 401k, medical, etc....
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Posted by Pumpkin1
I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
I agree with all of this. I just think that people can't have it both ways - you can't say you are annoyed at having to pay increased taxes to support people on benefits (for example) but then also be annoyed when the state does something that could likely lower the number of people on benefits.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Make $15/hr for what???? Working in the fast food industry requires exactly NO skill, NO knowledge, NO experience, NO education, and NO expertise. I could teach my 6 yr old that job in minutes and she'd excel. I think the salary is EXACTLY on point for they type of job that it is and I think it's ridiculous to expect to make $15/hr for slinging burgers. It's a job meant for high school kids to make a few bucks or the elderly to keep busy. If you're looking for enough money to live off and support a family then working in fast food is really not where you should be looking.
ETA - JMO but I think realistically, it doesn't matter what the minimum wage rate is because it will NEVER be an amount that is enough for a "livable wage". By definition, it's the LEAST amount of money by law that one can pay someone, how can you ever expect to actually support yourself on that??
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Why is the increase just in this one area?
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Why is the increase just in this one area?
I think they striked for it.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Make $15/hr for what???? Working in the fast food industry requires exactly NO skill, NO knowledge, NO experience, NO education, and NO expertise. I could teach my 6 yr old that job in minutes and she'd excel. I think the salary is EXACTLY on point for they type of job that it is and I think it's ridiculous to expect to make $15/hr for slinging burgers. It's a job meant for high school kids to make a few bucks or the elderly to keep busy. If you're looking for enough money to live off and support a family then working in fast food is really not where you should be looking.
ETA - JMO but I think realistically, it doesn't matter what the minimum wage rate is because it will NEVER be an amount that is enough for a "livable wage". By definition, it's the LEAST amount of money by law that one can pay someone, how can you ever expect to actually support yourself on that??
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job like this?
I don't know how you grew up, but I didn't get my college education, a car for transport, food money, clothing, etc. after I turned 18. Everything stopped after I turned 18. I didn't have to pay rent, that's it. I was barely able to live off the minimum wage I was making working in various food places. If I had to pay rent, forget it. I still wound up taking out student loans.
Elderly people? Have you seen Social Security checks these days? Yeah, it's not much.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by gina409
Why is the increase just in this one area?
I think they striked for it.
Also, it's much easier politically for cuomo to just regulate one industry as opposed to a universal increase.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by gina409
Why is the increase just in this one area?
I think they striked for it.
Also, it's much easier politically for cuomo to just regulate one industry as opposed to a universal increase.
Yes, that too.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
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Make $15/hr for what???? Working in the fast food industry requires exactly NO skill, NO knowledge, NO experience, NO education, and NO expertise. I could teach my 6 yr old that job in minutes and she'd excel. I think the salary is EXACTLY on point for they type of job that it is and I think it's ridiculous to expect to make $15/hr for slinging burgers. It's a job meant for high school kids to make a few bucks or the elderly to keep busy. If you're looking for enough money to live off and support a family then working in fast food is really not where you should be looking.
ETA - JMO but I think realistically, it doesn't matter what the minimum wage rate is because it will NEVER be an amount that is enough for a "livable wage". By definition, it's the LEAST amount of money by law that one can pay someone, how can you ever expect to actually support yourself on that??
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job like this?
I don't know how you grew up, but I didn't get my college education, a car for transport, food money, clothing, etc. after I turned 18. Everything stopped after I turned 18. I didn't have to pay rent, that's it. I was barely able to live off the minimum wage I was making working in various food places. If I had to pay rent, forget it. I still wound up taking out student loans.
Elderly people? Have you seen Social Security checks these days? Yeah, it's not much.
I worked minimum wage jobs ALL through HS and college to pay for my car insurance, gas, and pocket money. However, I'm not sure I understand your point.
It's minimum wage, MINIMUM. I don't know how ANYONE could expect to EVER live off the MINIMUM amount of money one is allowed to be paid. Maybe I'm crazy but I have never considered a minimum wage job to be something where you could remotely expect to fully live off of in any capacity. A minimum wage salary will NEVER be something that can keep up with the high cost of living and inflation.
I stand by what I said, for what little skill/knowledge/experience/education is involved in ANY minimum wage job I think they are paid on point. I don't understand even paying someone $15/hr to make a burger or ring up a purchase, etc. It's mindless work that ANYONE can be trained to do in minutes. I made $6.35/hr when I was younger and working in retail and for what was expected of me, I don't even think back then I deserved more. It was a cr@p job and it paid cr@p money.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
Make $15/hr for what???? Working in the fast food industry requires exactly NO skill, NO knowledge, NO experience, NO education, and NO expertise. I could teach my 6 yr old that job in minutes and she'd excel. I think the salary is EXACTLY on point for they type of job that it is and I think it's ridiculous to expect to make $15/hr for slinging burgers. It's a job meant for high school kids to make a few bucks or the elderly to keep busy. If you're looking for enough money to live off and support a family then working in fast food is really not where you should be looking.
ETA - JMO but I think realistically, it doesn't matter what the minimum wage rate is because it will NEVER be an amount that is enough for a "livable wage". By definition, it's the LEAST amount of money by law that one can pay someone, how can you ever expect to actually support yourself on that??
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job like this?
I don't know how you grew up, but I didn't get my college education, a car for transport, food money, clothing, etc. after I turned 18. Everything stopped after I turned 18. I didn't have to pay rent, that's it. I was barely able to live off the minimum wage I was making working in various food places. If I had to pay rent, forget it. I still wound up taking out student loans.
Elderly people? Have you seen Social Security checks these days? Yeah, it's not much.
I worked minimum wage jobs ALL through HS and college to pay for my car insurance, gas, and pocket money. However, I'm not sure I understand your point.
It's minimum wage, MINIMUM. I don't know how ANYONE could expect to EVER live off the MINIMUM amount of money one is allowed to be paid. Maybe I'm crazy but I have never considered a minimum wage job to be something where you could remotely expect to fully live off of in any capacity. A minimum wage salary will NEVER be something that can keep up with the high cost of living and inflation.
I stand by what I said, for what little skill/knowledge/experience/education is involved in ANY minimum wage job I think they are paid on point. I don't understand even paying someone $15/hr to make a burger or ring up a purchase, etc. It's mindless work that ANYONE can be trained to do in minutes. I made $6.35/hr when I was younger and working in retail and for what was expected of me, I don't even think back then I deserved more. It was a cr@p job and it paid cr@p money.
I agree. Minimum is exactly what it is. The minimum you could be paid.
When I first started working in my profession, I was making $5.75 an hour. Each year, I would get significant raises based on what new tasks I learned and mastered. I left that specific company 7 years later making $17 an hr for a job that would pay me $20. And each job after paid more based on my experience level in my field. I am now self employed.
I believe in working your way up. So minimum is exactly that. Minimum.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Pumpkin1
I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
I agree with all of this. I just think that people can't have it both ways - you can't say you are annoyed at having to pay increased taxes to support people on benefits (for example) but then also be annoyed when the state does something that could likely lower the number of people on benefits.
IMO, I support benefits for people that NEED it. Do you know how frustrating it is to go to a store. Watch the person ahead of me buy beers, cigarettes and other crap while paying with their EBT card and then getting into a car way nicer than mine? The 1k that came out of my paycheck goes to people like that every day. I think this is what bothers people. There are people that certainly need it. However, there are MORE that without a doubt cheat the system.
The raise may only be required for the major food companies NOW but it will only be a matter of time before it trickles down to the small mom and pop shops. Someone before made a generalization that cash business’ slave their workers, pay them poorly and live in mansions. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. It could have very well been like this a few years ago but not anymore. There are so many regulations now, that if you have 1 employee sue you for OT it can outright put you out of business. It’s not worth it anymore and that’s why there are hardly any more business’ that pay off the books. I know so many small business owners with cash only biz and they struggle to give themselves a paycheck at the end of the week.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I think its silly.
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Pumpkin1
I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
I agree with all of this. I just think that people can't have it both ways - you can't say you are annoyed at having to pay increased taxes to support people on benefits (for example) but then also be annoyed when the state does something that could likely lower the number of people on benefits.
IMO, I support benefits for people that NEED it. Do you know how frustrating it is to go to a store. Watch the person ahead of me buy beers, cigarettes and other crap while paying with their EBT card and then getting into a car way nicer than mine? The 1k that came out of my paycheck goes to people like that every day. I think this is what bothers people. There are people that certainly need it. However, there are MORE that without a doubt cheat the system.
The raise may only be required for the major food companies NOW but it will only be a matter of time before it trickles down to the small mom and pop shops. Someone before made a generalization that cash business’ slave their workers, pay them poorly and live in mansions. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. It could have very well been like this a few years ago but not anymore. There are so many regulations now, that if you have 1 employee sue you for OT it can outright put you out of business. It’s not worth it anymore and that’s why there are hardly any more business’ that pay off the books. I know so many small business owners with cash only biz and they struggle to give themselves a paycheck at the end of the week.
You see people buy beers and cigs with their EBT cards?
You sure you're not just exaggerating to drive your point home?
From gov website:
You CANNOT use benefits to buy:
Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
Any nonfood items, such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, diapers, and household supplies
Vitamins and medicines
Food that will be eaten in the store
Hot foods
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| Posted 7/27/15 10:23 AM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Hofstra26
Make $15/hr for what???? Working in the fast food industry requires exactly NO skill, NO knowledge, NO experience, NO education, and NO expertise. I could teach my 6 yr old that job in minutes and she'd excel. I think the salary is EXACTLY on point for they type of job that it is and I think it's ridiculous to expect to make $15/hr for slinging burgers. It's a job meant for high school kids to make a few bucks or the elderly to keep busy. If you're looking for enough money to live off and support a family then working in fast food is really not where you should be looking.
ETA - JMO but I think realistically, it doesn't matter what the minimum wage rate is because it will NEVER be an amount that is enough for a "livable wage". By definition, it's the LEAST amount of money by law that one can pay someone, how can you ever expect to actually support yourself on that??
Have you ever worked a minimum wage job like this?
I don't know how you grew up, but I didn't get my college education, a car for transport, food money, clothing, etc. after I turned 18. Everything stopped after I turned 18. I didn't have to pay rent, that's it. I was barely able to live off the minimum wage I was making working in various food places. If I had to pay rent, forget it. I still wound up taking out student loans.
Elderly people? Have you seen Social Security checks these days? Yeah, it's not much.
I worked minimum wage jobs ALL through HS and college to pay for my car insurance, gas, and pocket money. However, I'm not sure I understand your point.
It's minimum wage, MINIMUM. I don't know how ANYONE could expect to EVER live off the MINIMUM amount of money one is allowed to be paid. Maybe I'm crazy but I have never considered a minimum wage job to be something where you could remotely expect to fully live off of in any capacity. A minimum wage salary will NEVER be something that can keep up with the high cost of living and inflation.
I stand by what I said, for what little skill/knowledge/experience/education is involved in ANY minimum wage job I think they are paid on point. I don't understand even paying someone $15/hr to make a burger or ring up a purchase, etc. It's mindless work that ANYONE can be trained to do in minutes. I made $6.35/hr when I was younger and working in retail and for what was expected of me, I don't even think back then I deserved more. It was a cr@p job and it paid cr@p money.
My point is that you said these jobs require no skill; therefore, they should be paid less. If people are working on developing their skills, they need to live on something while they are studying, etc. Developing those skills is not cheap.
There are people who do need to live on minimum wage. Maybe it's difficult to see that, but it's true.
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| Posted 7/27/15 10:28 AM |
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Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
I find so many of these responded misguided
How many times do we hear people complain over cost of student loans or paying for their kids tuition ? Here on LiF and elsewhere. Maybe if kids who are employed by fast food places and making 15 (which still is not a lot) then maybe then can invest more in their college education and pay for it easier.
Then they can get a better paying job and not be saddled with debt.
And then the next high school kid comes in and does the same.
I don't look down my nose on anyone who is willing to work. I hate the high paying CEO. not the worker getting paid a "high wage" of 15
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| Posted 7/27/15 10:29 AM |
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MrsB612
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Pumpkin1
I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
I agree with all of this. I just think that people can't have it both ways - you can't say you are annoyed at having to pay increased taxes to support people on benefits (for example) but then also be annoyed when the state does something that could likely lower the number of people on benefits.
IMO, I support benefits for people that NEED it. Do you know how frustrating it is to go to a store. Watch the person ahead of me buy beers, cigarettes and other crap while paying with their EBT card and then getting into a car way nicer than mine? The 1k that came out of my paycheck goes to people like that every day. I think this is what bothers people. There are people that certainly need it. However, there are MORE that without a doubt cheat the system.
The raise may only be required for the major food companies NOW but it will only be a matter of time before it trickles down to the small mom and pop shops. Someone before made a generalization that cash business’ slave their workers, pay them poorly and live in mansions. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. It could have very well been like this a few years ago but not anymore. There are so many regulations now, that if you have 1 employee sue you for OT it can outright put you out of business. It’s not worth it anymore and that’s why there are hardly any more business’ that pay off the books. I know so many small business owners with cash only biz and they struggle to give themselves a paycheck at the end of the week.
You see people buy beers and cigs with their EBT cards?
You sure you're not just exaggerating to drive your point home?
From gov website:
You CANNOT use benefits to buy:
Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
Any nonfood items, such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, diapers, and household supplies
Vitamins and medicines
Food that will be eaten in the store
Hot foods
I wish I was exaggerating. I have seen it at convenience stores SO many times. Just because it's not allowed doesn't mean they comply. I've also seen people pay with it at Target while wearing $150 sneakers. An obscene amount of people cheat the system - people that 100% do not deserve or need the benefits.
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| Posted 7/27/15 10:34 AM |
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klingklang77
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Re: Thoughts on fast food minimum wage raise?
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
Posted by MrsB612
Posted by sameinitials
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by Pumpkin1
I think it is a great thing and I'm not sure why so many people are against it. The automated counters and price increases are just scare tactics. Working 40 hours a week at $15 is $600 before taxes, etc. While people like to think those jobs are only meant for high school students, the reality is a lot of people work those jobs to support their families and provide a service to people. Plus, Big Macs will not be $10 because no-one will pay that. People have been brainwashed by the 1% to believe that paying higher salaries will be catastrophic. Perhaps this will light a fire under employers' butts that they should share the wealth and provide their employees with raises, etc. instead of lining their own pockets.
I agree.
In response to how some workers in Seattle are refusing less hours so they can get welfare, these things take time. It is some workers and things need to be straightened out.
As for waitresses in Seattle not getting tipped-- why should they? The restaurant industry has been able to get away with not paying a large percentage of its staff for a looong time. It's about time they get paid an hourly wage and tipping goes down to 10% or so. Welcome to the rest of the world... ETA: More taxes will be generated from raising waiter minimum wages. You'd be surprised how much of tip money goes undeclared.
ETA: I don't think one job is more important than others. We are all equal and contribute to society. And yes, you can make a career at McDonald's. Restaurant Management is a starting point for many entry level graduates from Hospitality Management degrees. But where do you work while you are studying for your degree? Yes, McDonald's or some other fast food place. I think some people on this thread are forgetting that all types of people work at McDonald's. I never worked there, but I did do a restaurant management degree. I'm tired of people saying one job deserves more money because of blah, blah, blah.
I agree with all of this. I just think that people can't have it both ways - you can't say you are annoyed at having to pay increased taxes to support people on benefits (for example) but then also be annoyed when the state does something that could likely lower the number of people on benefits.
IMO, I support benefits for people that NEED it. Do you know how frustrating it is to go to a store. Watch the person ahead of me buy beers, cigarettes and other crap while paying with their EBT card and then getting into a car way nicer than mine? The 1k that came out of my paycheck goes to people like that every day. I think this is what bothers people. There are people that certainly need it. However, there are MORE that without a doubt cheat the system.
The raise may only be required for the major food companies NOW but it will only be a matter of time before it trickles down to the small mom and pop shops. Someone before made a generalization that cash business’ slave their workers, pay them poorly and live in mansions. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. It could have very well been like this a few years ago but not anymore. There are so many regulations now, that if you have 1 employee sue you for OT it can outright put you out of business. It’s not worth it anymore and that’s why there are hardly any more business’ that pay off the books. I know so many small business owners with cash only biz and they struggle to give themselves a paycheck at the end of the week.
You see people buy beers and cigs with their EBT cards?
You sure you're not just exaggerating to drive your point home?
From gov website:
You CANNOT use benefits to buy:
Beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco
Any nonfood items, such as pet foods, soaps, paper products, diapers, and household supplies
Vitamins and medicines
Food that will be eaten in the store
Hot foods
I wish I was exaggerating. I have seen it at convenience stores SO many times. Just because it's not allowed doesn't mean they comply. I've also seen people pay with it at Target while wearing $150 sneakers. An obscene amount of people cheat the system - people that 100% do not deserve or need the benefits.
I've read a few articles on people who cheat the system, and the numbers aren't as high as people believe. And you should report the convenience stores because they are a major part of the problem.
This article talks about this point. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/just-how-wrong-is-conventional-wisdom-about-government-fraud/278690/
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