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Sassyz75
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this morning on the news- edited with Article..

I saw a piece that said on Long Island only 2% of homes are affordable to those house holds that make 100k a year-how scary is that!!!!

from the NYTimes:

By BRUCE LAMBERT
Published: January 26, 2007
GARDEN CITY, Jan. 24 — In 2000, 60 percent of the homes sold on Long Island could be classified as “affordable” for families earning up to $100,000 a year, under the old rule of thumb that buyers should spend no more than 2.5 times their income on places to live.

Last year, according to a new report, just 2 percent of the houses sold on Long Island were in that range for families with such earnings, which make up more than 60 percent of Long Island households.

The staggering drop over six years, according to the Long Island Index, an annual study of local economic and social trends, is the result of sluggish income growth and soaring housing costs, among other factors that have made the area increasingly unaffordable and driven many people away.

“It took our breath away, that the change has been so dramatic in such a short period of time,” said Ann Golob, director of the study, which is scheduled for official release Friday. The report, titled “In a Tough Spot,” puts it bluntly: “The image of our region as a wealthy suburb is far from reality for a growing number of Long Islanders who are struggling to keep up with high and rising costs.”

Though home prices have retreated in recent months, they remain at near-record levels, a bonanza for many homeowners, at least on paper. Those already living here are insulated from the entry barrier of high prices first-time buyers would face.

As the nation’s first post-World War II suburb, Long Island flourished for decades as a middle-income alternative to New York City and is now home to nearly three million people.

Factors contributing to the affordability problem include the loss of higher-paying jobs and growth of lower-paying ones. A decade ago, wages here exceeded the national average by 16 percent; that has shrunk to 5 percent, and average pay has stagnated since 2003.

At the same time, the number of residents using food stamps rose 20 percent from 2000 to 2003, the most recent data available.

“Now our income advantage is disappearing, pushing some families near the breaking point,” the report says. In the report’s survey of 808 residents, 58 percent complained of difficulty paying their monthly housing bills, while 54 percent said they were thinking of abandoning Long Island for lower-cost areas. Still, 82 percent called Long Island a good or excellent place to live, but only 48 percent said it was on the right track.

“I find it hard living on just a pension and Social Security, and I feel bad for the younger people,” said John Schnitzler, a retired banker in East Meadow, N.Y. Still, Mr. Schnitzler said he enjoyed his three-bedroom home and being “45 minutes from the city, 10 minutes to the beach, with the malls right here.”

The report, sponsored by the Garden City-based Rauch Foundation, has been produced annually since 2004, with the advice of academic, civic, labor and other groups.

“Taken as a whole, Long Island’s story has been a success story,” it says. “But our continued success is now in doubt. We face significant problems, which yearly grow worse.”

In a competitive economy, the report warned, Long Island will lose out to other areas unless it expands business and housing and reduces taxes. “In an era of easy mobility, a region defers change at its peril,” it said.

The 2.5-times-income formula for home prices is often ignored across the New York metropolitan area, where many residents spend disproportionately for shelter and shortchange other parts of their budget compared with other parts of the country.

The report did not adjust housing prices for changing mortgage rates, which were about two percentage points higher in 2000. But Ms. Golob noted that homeowners who bought then were able to cut carrying costs by refinancing as rates fell.

Beyond home prices and mortgage rates, an additional factor in the cost of housing is property taxes. They are notoriously high on Long Island and have jumped faster than inflation, the report said.

Many residents are under financial stress because of scant income growth, up 2 percent on average since 2000. Meanwhile, they are squeezed by the rising costs of taxes, heating, electricity and gasoline. Even for families with incomes above $110,000, 43 percent report difficulty in paying housing bills.

Long Island has yet to replace the aerospace and defense industry that once drove the economy, Ms. Golob said. Venture capital investment and federal research grants have fallen.

Research at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory has generated businesses. Its president, Dr. Bruce W. Stillman, said the island needs more cooperation by government, academia and business. Finding housing for researchers is so difficult that the lab assigns an administrator to help place them, sometimes in houses it bought for that purpose.

“People love their hometown of Long Island — they just can’t afford it any more,” the Nassau County executive, Thomas R. Suozzi, said in response to the report. “We remodeled the Levitt houses, and now we have to remodel the suburban paradigm.”

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Re: this morning on the news

that sounds about right to me. yes it is a pretty scary thing.

Posted 1/26/07 11:13 AM
 

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Prices are very high here, but that number sounds too low to me. Did they say who/what the source was?

Posted 1/26/07 11:14 AM
 

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Posted by cjik

Prices are very high here, but that number sounds too low to me. Did they say who/what the source was?



I don't think that sounds low - the avg. price of a home in both nassau and suffolk is well over 400K. A couple making 100K a year cannot afford the median priced home on LI.

Posted 1/26/07 11:19 AM
 

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Posted by SweetTooth

Posted by cjik

Prices are very high here, but that number sounds too low to me. Did they say who/what the source was?



I don't think that sounds low - the avg. price of a home in both nassau and suffolk is well over 400K. A couple making 100K a year cannot afford the median priced home on LI.



They can't afford the median priced home but 2% sounds low. Chat Icon It also depends on how much you put down. I see plenty of homes below $350 in Suffolk where we are looking (mid-Suffolk) and with 20% down I definitely think the mortgages are doable with $100,000.

Posted 1/26/07 11:28 AM
 

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it was on the channel 4 news morning show b/f the today show

Posted 1/26/07 11:33 AM
 

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Posted by nov04libride
They can't afford the median priced home but 2% sounds low. Chat Icon It also depends on how much you put down.


That was my thought too...2% sounds really low. Chat Icon

Posted 1/26/07 11:42 AM
 

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Re: this morning on the news- edited with Article..

using the 2.5x annual salary - doesnt include downpayments.

i think the results are untrue using this scenario -

but id agree affordability is much lower than it was in 2000! how I wish I was born 5 years earlier!

Posted 1/26/07 11:43 AM
 

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Re: this morning on the news- edited with Article..

Posted by Meaghan729

using the 2.5x annual salary - doesnt include downpayments.

i think the results are untrue using this scenario -

but id agree affordability is much lower than it was in 2000! how I wish I was born 5 years earlier!



yeah but how may people are likely to have huge downpayments?

Posted 1/26/07 11:47 AM
 

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Re: this morning on the news- edited with Article..

In a competitive economy, the report warned, Long Island will lose out to other areas unless it expands business and housing and reduces taxes. “In an era of easy mobility, a region defers change at its peril,” it said.

Beyond home prices and mortgage rates, an additional factor in the cost of housing is property taxes. They are notoriously high on Long Island and have jumped faster than inflation, the report said.

Many residents are under financial stress because of scant income growth, up 2 percent on average since 2000. Meanwhile, they are squeezed by the rising costs of taxes, heating, electricity and gasoline. Even for families with incomes above $110,000, 43 percent report difficulty in paying housing bills.

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Posted 1/26/07 11:51 AM
 

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Posted by Sassyz75

Posted by Meaghan729

using the 2.5x annual salary - doesnt include downpayments.

i think the results are untrue using this scenario -

but id agree affordability is much lower than it was in 2000! how I wish I was born 5 years earlier!



yeah but how may people are likely to have huge downpayments?



I didnt say huge, but they dont consider any downpayment, thats all.

Posted 1/26/07 11:53 AM
 

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Re: this morning on the news- edited with Article..

it is scary
but I doubt i will be buying on LI.
NJ has WAY more affordable areas closer to the city than LI does.

Posted 1/26/07 12:32 PM
 

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That is unbelievable. THANK GOD we bought our house 10 years ago. We make WAY under $100,000 also.

Posted 1/26/07 12:33 PM
 

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Okay, this explains the 2%. I agree, these results are flawed by not taking downpayments into account. Did they do the same calculations in 2000 though? If they did, it's still a huge drop.

Yes, housing costs are far too high on LI. If DH hadn't bought a co-op several years ago, we wouldn't be able to buy here either. I think taxes are even worse though. There have been homes on MLS DH and I won't even consider because the taxes are just too high. Even if people can just afford a big mortgage, the taxes prove to be too much for many.

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Posted by cjik

Okay, this explains the 2%. I agree, these results are flawed by not taking downpayments into account. Did they do the same calculations in 2000 though? If they did, it's still a huge drop.

Yes, housing costs are far too high on LI. If DH hadn't bought a co-op several years ago, we wouldn't be able to buy here either. I think taxes are even worse though. There have been homes on MLS DH and I won't even consider because the taxes are just too high. Even if people can just afford a big mortgage, the taxes prove to be too much for many.




This is true, DH and I found a house we wanted to buy and could afford the price of the house, but when we factored in the taxes, it was no longer affordable for us. Its really not fair.

Posted 1/26/07 12:55 PM
 

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Based on the 2.5x income rule, I believe that only 2% of homes are "affordable" for couples making under $100k.

Posted 1/26/07 12:56 PM
 

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Posted by SweetTooth

Posted by cjik

Okay, this explains the 2%. I agree, these results are flawed by not taking downpayments into account. Did they do the same calculations in 2000 though? If they did, it's still a huge drop.

Yes, housing costs are far too high on LI. If DH hadn't bought a co-op several years ago, we wouldn't be able to buy here either. I think taxes are even worse though. There have been homes on MLS DH and I won't even consider because the taxes are just too high. Even if people can just afford a big mortgage, the taxes prove to be too much for many.




This is true, DH and I found a house we wanted to buy and could afford the price of the house, but when we factored in the taxes, it was no longer affordable for us. Its really not fair.

I could have written this myself. DH and I are ok with the house prices. it's still lunacy, but do-able. $500-$600 more every month for taxes is just way too high!!

Posted 1/26/07 12:58 PM
 

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I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon

Posted 1/26/07 1:00 PM
 

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I know there is not a chance we could do it on 1 salary right now.. both starting in our careers

Posted 1/26/07 1:02 PM
 

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I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon

great point, and that's the exact reason why DH wants to get out of here so badly.

Posted 1/26/07 1:08 PM
 

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I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon

Some can I am sure. This was a factor when we were looking for a house. We could afford our new home on DH salary alone but on my salary...well that is a different story...love state jobs!!! Unfortuantely most people need dual incomes to live comfortably here.Chat Icon

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Posted by Tumbalina

I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon

Some can I am sure. This was a factor when we were looking for a house. We could afford our new home on DH salary alone but on my salary...well that is a different story...love state jobs!!! Unfortuantely most people need dual incomes to live comfortably here.Chat Icon



DH and I had this discussion as well. I can't be a SAHM b/c we need both incomes. He could support us for a few months while I'm on maternity leave, but then I'd have to go back to work to help stabilize the income. And a reason we're waiting another few years before we even start to expand our 2-person family.

Posted 1/26/07 1:31 PM
 

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Posted by PotofLuck06

Posted by MrsFlatbread

Posted by Tumbalina

I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon

Some can I am sure. This was a factor when we were looking for a house. We could afford our new home on DH salary alone but on my salary...well that is a different story...love state jobs!!! Unfortuantely most people need dual incomes to live comfortably here.Chat Icon



DH and I had this discussion as well. I can't be a SAHM b/c we need both incomes. He could support us for a few months while I'm on maternity leave, but then I'd have to go back to work to help stabilize the income. And a reason we're waiting another few years before we even start to expand our 2-person family.



Now I see why so many people leave LI.
Very overpriced, it's sad.

Posted 1/26/07 1:45 PM
 

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Posted by Tumbalina

I wonder if alot of young couples who bu,y can make it on one salary if one of them loses their job. Chat Icon



We make over that, but not a whole lot, and what we are doing is living on just DH's salary for a few years, and banking mine as downpayment (we also bought a condo when we got married, so it has also gone up about $50,000 in the 3 years we have lived in it). With our DP and buying a house below $400,000 we should be able to do it on one salary, under $100,000, including taxes, should I want to stay home with kids for a while. We do both own our cars outright.

Posted 1/26/07 1:52 PM
 

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add the cost of childcare into the equation and Chat Icon

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