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Anyone watch on Netflix?

Posted 3/27/19 9:30 PM
 
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Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.

Posted 3/28/19 9:09 AM
 

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Posted by b2b777

Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.



I know. Especially in a foreign country.

Posted 3/28/19 9:13 AM
 

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Posted by b2b777

Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.



I know. Especially in a foreign country.



In the beginning of the documentary everyone was talking like this was a common practice and there was nothing wrong with it. Ummm... NO!
Even if you are checking say every 20 mins...what happens the other 19 mins you arent there? What is your kid gets up, feels sick, needs something? Then they know they are all alone and wander out looking for you. The possibilities of something going wrong are endless. So crazy.

Posted 3/28/19 9:17 AM
 

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So, do we think she was kidnapped for sex trafficking or do we think the mother accidentally over-drugged her and then hid the body? I'm just annoyed that we will never know what actually happened! Is she still alive or what?!?

Posted 3/28/19 10:18 AM
 

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Plus they were leaving the door open so they could come in and out without needing keys. I'd never leave my kid unattended, but certainly not behind an unlocked door!

Posted 3/28/19 11:04 AM
 

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Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.



I know. Especially in a foreign country.



In the beginning of the documentary everyone was talking like this was a common practice and there was nothing wrong with it. Ummm... NO!
Even if you are checking say every 20 mins...what happens the other 19 mins you arent there? What is your kid gets up, feels sick, needs something? Then they know they are all alone and wander out looking for you. The possibilities of something going wrong are endless. So crazy.



I am way too fuking paranoid to even consider this for half a second.
I'm super overprotective of my DD.
This gives me hives.
I'm sorry but it's completely irresponsible.
You can't leave children that age home alone. Ever. Under any circumstances.
That's why God invented babysitters, nannies, child care.

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Posted 3/28/19 11:08 AM
 

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I'm about half way through where they just turned the investigation onto the parents.

I can't help but think if someone was going to abduct for child trafficking why not take all the kids. Why just the one...

Posted 3/28/19 11:11 AM
 

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Posted by NervousNell

Posted by b2b777

Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.



I know. Especially in a foreign country.



In the beginning of the documentary everyone was talking like this was a common practice and there was nothing wrong with it. Ummm... NO!
Even if you are checking say every 20 mins...what happens the other 19 mins you arent there? What is your kid gets up, feels sick, needs something? Then they know they are all alone and wander out looking for you. The possibilities of something going wrong are endless. So crazy.



I am way to fuking paranoid to even consider this for half a second.
I'm super overprotective of my DD.
This gives me hives.
I'm sorry but it's completely irresponsible.
You can't leave children that age home alone. Ever. Under any circumstances.
That's why God invented babysitters, nannies, child care.




YUP!!! That was selfish of all the parents participating. Honestly there were enough people in the group that they could have each taken a turn to go out/stay back during the course of the week long trip. If all the kids stayed with 1 adult who stayed behind each night that would have been smarter. These people were all idiots.

Posted 3/28/19 11:13 AM
 

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Posted by b2b777

Im like half way through. It is a terrifying story, but the documentary is slow moving...
I still cant get over people leaving their small children sleeping in bed while they are out drinking and eating. I dont care how near or far... or how often they are checking on them. The logic to that is insane.



I know. Especially in a foreign country.



In the beginning of the documentary everyone was talking like this was a common practice and there was nothing wrong with it. Ummm... NO!
Even if you are checking say every 20 mins...what happens the other 19 mins you arent there? What is your kid gets up, feels sick, needs something? Then they know they are all alone and wander out looking for you. The possibilities of something going wrong are endless. So crazy.



I am way to fuking paranoid to even consider this for half a second.
I'm super overprotective of my DD.
This gives me hives



ITA. I check on my DD every few minutes when she's playing in her room 5 feet away from me. Anything can happen.
I can't imagine being as far away as Madeleine's parents were.

Posted 3/28/19 11:14 AM
 

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I haven't watched the Netflix show, but I am familiar with the story. I completely understand everyone's responses on here , but in some European countries, there is a totally different view of how children should be watched. In many countries, it is completely normal for parents to leave babies in carriages outside of restaurants or stores. So, while HERE the parents' behavior would be completely out of the norm, it might not have been seen that way where they were staying and/or where they are from

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Posted 3/28/19 11:22 AM
 

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Posted by chilltocam

I haven't watched the Netflix show, but I am familiar with the story. I completely understand everyone's responses on here , but in some European countries, there is a totally different view of how children should be watched. In many countries, it is completely normal for parents to leave babies in carriages outside of restaurants or stores. So, while HERE the parents' behavior would be completely out of the norm, it might not have been seen that way where they were staying and/or where they are from

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And exactly why this happened.
Maybe this practice SHOULDN'T be the norm anywhere.
Being the norm doesn't make it right or responsible.

Posted 3/28/19 11:35 AM
 

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I'm about half way through where they just turned the investigation onto the parents.

I can't help but think if someone was going to abduct for child trafficking why not take all the kids. Why just the one...



I brought this up and someone made a good point...

they think a guy carried her out. They wanted her, spotted her on the beach. Anyway, there was only one guy, carrying her - spotted in two different areas that match the timeline. A man, carrying a girl in pink pajamas, down the beach away from their hotel. He couldn't possibly carry and conceal 3 kids, especially the babies who are much harder to take care of and more likely to cry, etc. More hands are needed. But taking one girl of interest, carrying her about like a dad is taking his sleeping child home or something, people noticed it obviously, but didn't think it was suspicious until they realized a girl was missing.

Posted 3/28/19 11:40 AM
 

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Posted by JandJ1224

I'm about half way through where they just turned the investigation onto the parents.

I can't help but think if someone was going to abduct for child trafficking why not take all the kids. Why just the one...



I brought this up and someone made a good point...

they think a guy carried her out. They wanted her, spotted her on the beach. Anyway, there was only one guy, carrying her - spotted in two different areas that match the timeline. A man, carrying a girl in pink pajamas, down the beach away from their hotel. He couldn't possibly carry and conceal 3 kids, especially the babies who are much harder to take care of and more likely to cry, etc. More hands are needed. But taking one girl of interest, carrying her about like a dad is taking his sleeping child home or something, people noticed it obviously, but didn't think it was suspicious until they realized a girl was missing.



OMG this makes me sick.
You have ONE job as a parent- to protect your child. Not to leave them alone so you can go drink like you are still fuking childless.
Grow the fuk up. You have kids now. Your freedom is done. They come first.
If this is really what happened they failed that poor child.

Posted 3/28/19 11:51 AM
 

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I don't remember hearing about this story when it happened though it seems to be high profile. I'm about halfway through the episodes and maybe more is explained towards the end, but so many things don't add up. Didn't the parents first say that the door was locked, then said they kept it unlocked for easy access? What came of the forensics exams and the blood and cadaver dogs findings? They just stopped talking about it. How can a group of adults go back and forth all night long every 20 to 30 min and still have an enjoyable meal?? (The timeline changed there too, first saying every 20 min, then 30). The reporters and police said the story they said that they could see the apt where the kids slept from their table wasn't true. They tried to make it sound like they were practically outside on the patio but they were a pretty far walk away. One of the detectives said the twins slept right through all the screaming and crowd of people going in and out of that apt once it was discovered their sister was missing. The grandfather admitted the parents would give the kids a sleep aid sometimes. Being that they're doctors they probably had easy access to medication. Why were the parents going on a high profile world tour on a borrowed jet like some kind of celebrities? Why did they immediately leave Portugal when they were made official suspects, essentially leaving their missing daughter behind to return to their normal lives? I found it odd in the beginning when they said the one friend went and checked on his kids and then stopped to check on their kids and he just peeked in and saw the light on and thought all must be well so he went back to join the other adults. He didn't even see the kids but thought all was well because the light was on? Could that be the moment someone broke into the apt?? Why were the friends insisting Robert Murat was there when they first admitted they didn't get a look at the guy who was seen walking away carrying the sleeping girl? I wonder if they even made that up completely, the fact they saw someone walk off with a little girl. The press published the drawing as just a head shape with no features at all for crying out loud, what help was that??

This story makes me so sick to think what could've happened to that baby. I hope the parents weren't involved. I completely agree that the parents fuked up by leaving those kids alone every night to go eat and drink together like they were still single. The hotel offered babysitting services. Why didn't they use it? They preferred to leave their kids alone instead? What if their kids were sick, got up, opened the door and wandered out into the night looking for them?? I feel like the parents know more than they let on.

They were a group of successful doctors and surgeons, they all could've afforded to bring their own nannies along on holiday so they could enjoy their nights together while the kids stayed behind instead of alone.

Eta: nevermind, a later episode did cover the forensics and dogs.

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Posted 3/28/19 1:55 PM
 

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Re: The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Posted by chilltocam

I haven't watched the Netflix show, but I am familiar with the story. I completely understand everyone's responses on here , but in some European countries, there is a totally different view of how children should be watched. In many countries, it is completely normal for parents to leave babies in carriages outside of restaurants or stores. So, while HERE the parents' behavior would be completely out of the norm, it might not have been seen that way where they were staying and/or where they are from

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I'm Portuguese and can 100% this isn't a normal practice there. Locals thought they were crazy for having done it.

Posted 3/28/19 4:09 PM
 

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Ok....the World is full of assholes and morons


This is beyond horrendous.

Posted 3/28/19 4:21 PM
 

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Now I'm at the part where a witness said the guy that was seen carrying away the sleeping girl was the FATHER?!?! This story just keeps getting weirder. If this group of friends were constantly coming and going checking on all these kids like they claim, how did this child disappear without a trace? I had considered the theory that someone was watching this family on the beach and knew the parents went to dinner together every night leaving the kids alone in their apts and probably observed them coming and going all night (if their story is true) but it seems so odd that someone would be able to break in and abduct this little girl with all this back and forth hubbub. And they said the person came or went from the window no less, so that had to take them some time to work the shutters open. It doesn't add up. These fukkers had a door on the side road to access their apt from which they came and went and they felt completely comfortable leaving it unlocked to go out and party every night with friends. Assholes! They claimed they had a view of the apt (which was debunked) but from the location of the restaurant they would not have a view of that side of the building where that lone door was situated. That poor baby! What really happened?!

Posted 3/28/19 4:57 PM
 

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I think the girl was taken (I think it was planned either based on family friends or the hotel or just a ring in the area), carried away in the night by a man and sex trafficked. Someone took her. And because her mom drugged her to sleep, she wasn't conscious enough to realize what was happening...

They did have a nanny, I don't think she was working the night it happened but when she heard the news she went there and this is her account.... her words...

“She (the mother of Madeleine) was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her. She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.”

He added that staff were “told to start looking in bins for her (Maddie’s) body” and were order to go to bed at 5am while police continued to investigate after the disappearance in May 2007.

The staff member also revealed how the Portuguese holiday destination was deemed so unsafe that nannies had been ordered to carry rape alarms and not go out alone. “We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’

“There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me. I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there,” she said.

The nanny quashed speculation that Mr and Mrs McCann, who were initially quizzed by police, were involved in their daughter’s disappearance and claimed: “There was not a chance”.

She also slammed local authorities who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.

Describing Maddie, who was sleeping next to twin siblings Amelie and Sean when she vanished, the nanny said: “We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’ She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”

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Posted 3/28/19 5:37 PM
 

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I think the girl was taken (I think it was planned either based on family friends or the hotel or just a ring in the area), carried away in the night by a man and sex trafficked. Someone took her. And because her mom drugged her to sleep, she wasn't conscious enough to realize what was happening...

They did have a nanny, I don't think she was working the night it happened but when she heard the news she went there and this is her account.... her words...

“She (the mother of Madeleine) was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her. She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.”

He added that staff were “told to start looking in bins for her (Maddie’s) body” and were order to go to bed at 5am while police continued to investigate after the disappearance in May 2007.

The staff member also revealed how the Portuguese holiday destination was deemed so unsafe that nannies had been ordered to carry rape alarms and not go out alone. “We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’

“There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me. I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there,” she said.

The nanny quashed speculation that Mr and Mrs McCann, who were initially quizzed by police, were involved in their daughter’s disappearance and claimed: “There was not a chance”.

She also slammed local authorities who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.

Describing Maddie, who was sleeping next to twin siblings Amelie and Sean when she vanished, the nanny said: “We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’ She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”



Good grief, if it's that dangerous why would they go in the first place, or better yet leave their kids unattended? Chat Icon Did they not know it was an unsafe area? The nanny can't go anywhere by herself, but the 3 and 2 yr olds can sleep alone? These parents are such assholes! They talked about how unsafe it is in the series, and how it provides a point of access/getaway to other countries. That little girl probably left Portugal before the cops even arrived on the scene or not long after.

I haven't finished the series, but I don't think the parents did it. If they did anything criminal it would've had to have been before the cops and media arrived on the scene because afterwards their every move was watched, documented, and scrutinized. There wouldn't have been any way they themselves could've discreetly disposed of a body later on with throngs of reporters and photographers following their every move. They would've had to concoct some elaborate plan involving hiring people to do it for them. It would've had to occur earlier in the night while everyone was at dinner or even before dinner and it just doesn't seem plausible. I think they were stalked by someone who was possibly staying close by, watching their every move. They made themselves targets by leaving their kids alone to sleep every night. They were probably carried away with enjoying their evenings drinking, socializing and conversating and I don't think they were getting up and checking as often or as thoroughly as they claimed. I don't care if the kids were locked in a vault, you don't leave 2 and 3 yr olds to sleep alone and go party with friends.

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Posted 3/28/19 8:25 PM
 

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I haven’t watched the documentary but I’m familiar with the story. I also think she was taken and perhaps the hotel was in on it. It took forever for the police to get there and then the sightings of the man with the little girl in pink pajamas? The family had been there for days. This wasn’t some huge resort, I would think hotel staff would be familiar with the guests and notice a child being carried by a man who wasn’t her father.

I actually think her being overdosed and the parents hiding her body would be the best case scenario. I cannot imagine the horror of that sweet little girl being sex trafficked and the terror she would have felt and torturous life she would have.

Posted 3/28/19 8:45 PM
 

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I actually think her being overdosed and the parents hiding her body would be the best case scenario. I cannot imagine the horror of that sweet little girl being sex trafficked and the terror she would have felt and torturous life she would have.



I've been thinking this too. It would almost be better if her parents had accidentally OD'd her in her sleep than the horrifying alternative Chat Icon

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Posted 3/28/19 9:54 PM
 

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Holy shit the Portuguese police though! Chat Icon Chat Icon

Posted 3/28/19 10:03 PM
 

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Posted by chilltocam

I haven't watched the Netflix show, but I am familiar with the story. I completely understand everyone's responses on here , but in some European countries, there is a totally different view of how children should be watched. In many countries, it is completely normal for parents to leave babies in carriages outside of restaurants or stores. So, while HERE the parents' behavior would be completely out of the norm, it might not have been seen that way where they were staying and/or where they are from

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I'm Portuguese and can 100% this isn't a normal practice there. Locals thought they were crazy for having done it.



I am slightly familiar with this story. This is not common practice in Southern Europe at all. They are a bit lenient with other things with regards to children, but not what happened.

What you are talking about (leaving babies outside of stores) happens in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland.

I believe that the parents are from the UK. They should have known better.

Posted 3/29/19 7:19 AM
 

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I haven't watched yet, so maybe my opinion will change - but have been reading a little about it the last few days and I'm not so sure the parents weren't involved. I find it strange that the first thing the mother says when the baby is not in her bed is "They've taken her". Who was she talking about?
I think the first thing I'd say is "Madeline's not in her bed, check the room...check outside."
And, I also read that the person carrying the child in pink pajamas, was found and it was his daughter he was carrying.
I don't know. The story is so strange. Poor little girl.

Posted 3/29/19 9:06 AM
 
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