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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by hmm
Posted by BFNY516
I also will add that I wonder why you didn’t tell them sooner that you were thinking about putting it on the market? Prices have been skyrocketing all over Long Island… This isn’t a sudden burst of increasing home values. It’s been going on for well over a year now.
It sounds as though you wanted to wait to time it out perfectly on your end, that your plan all along has been to sell at some point.
Too many landlords purposely wait until the last minute to make a big announcement because they don’t want to lose their perfectly good tenants. They want to use them right up until they’re ready to spit them out without any regard to how disruptive it can be… Especially when you wrote “they were shocked but whatever they have time to move”. It’s not easy. They were probably under the impression that they were great tenants and had a good relationship with you since they paid on time. Renters know it’s hard to find great reliable renters. You even wrote that they were really good and they paid the rent on time… So then why didn’t you give them more notice, just like a heads up? It sounds like you probably didn’t want them to leave you in the lurch.
It’s not easy being a landlord (I know full well) but all too often the landlords only care about their position without any regard to how disruptive it can be to their renters.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but I’m offering another perspective. Being a landlord is a really important responsibility on many levels. While it’s just a passive income stream/investment (short term or otherwise) it’s someone’s home and stability.
I think you should’ve given them more advanced notice.
And again I’m not excusing their behavior.
agree 100%%%%%
Landlords worry about themselves and dont care imo how good of a renter a person is. They are happy to kick you out with 30 days notice.
This happened to me when the home owner knew they wanted to sell the year before... Took my money( cash) in one hand, then in the next sentence, by the way you have 30 days to move we want to sell and put the house on the market April 1
What did you expect ? Your are renting a private home. They are not landlords to take care of you, it’s your responsibility to figure it out, not the LL. They probably needed the money for whatever reason. We have 2 houses that we will sell when my kids start college. I would lose my ever loving $hit if the tenant refused to move !!!!!!
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by JennP
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Posted by KarenK122
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Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
I would be more inclined to see it this way if it wasn't for the way the tenants behaved initially.
They sent a letter without communicating otherwise, refused the OP's money, and said they didn't want to be "inconvenienced" - Karen used quotes so I assume those are their words.
Their actions were not a good faith attempt to solve the problem. If they were really in a bind, they should have communicated and been a little more flexible.
Yeah, fair enough.
I’m just having a hard time understanding this as I have never rented in NY. It is completely different here and fixed term contracts are regulated here, i.e. there needs to be a valid acceptable reason to offer a fixed term contract in the first place. Most contracts are unlimited here and to get your own property back is not as simple as I’m selling it.
It’s more that I simply do not understand the laws there. That’s all. Sorry.
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JennP
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by Bebelove
Posted by hmm
Posted by BFNY516
I also will add that I wonder why you didn’t tell them sooner that you were thinking about putting it on the market? Prices have been skyrocketing all over Long Island… This isn’t a sudden burst of increasing home values. It’s been going on for well over a year now.
It sounds as though you wanted to wait to time it out perfectly on your end, that your plan all along has been to sell at some point.
Too many landlords purposely wait until the last minute to make a big announcement because they don’t want to lose their perfectly good tenants. They want to use them right up until they’re ready to spit them out without any regard to how disruptive it can be… Especially when you wrote “they were shocked but whatever they have time to move”. It’s not easy. They were probably under the impression that they were great tenants and had a good relationship with you since they paid on time. Renters know it’s hard to find great reliable renters. You even wrote that they were really good and they paid the rent on time… So then why didn’t you give them more notice, just like a heads up? It sounds like you probably didn’t want them to leave you in the lurch.
It’s not easy being a landlord (I know full well) but all too often the landlords only care about their position without any regard to how disruptive it can be to their renters.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but I’m offering another perspective. Being a landlord is a really important responsibility on many levels. While it’s just a passive income stream/investment (short term or otherwise) it’s someone’s home and stability.
I think you should’ve given them more advanced notice.
And again I’m not excusing their behavior.
agree 100%%%%%
Landlords worry about themselves and dont care imo how good of a renter a person is. They are happy to kick you out with 30 days notice.
This happened to me when the home owner knew they wanted to sell the year before... Took my money( cash) in one hand, then in the next sentence, by the way you have 30 days to move we want to sell and put the house on the market April 1
What did you expect ? Your are renting a private home. They are not landlords to take care of you, it’s your responsibility to figure it out, not the LL. They probably needed the money for whatever reason. We have 2 houses that we will sell when my kids start college. I would lose my ever loving $hit if the tenant refused to move !!!!!!
I see both sides here.
Yes, as the landlord, obviously you ultimately control the property and have the right to take over the space, with proper notice, to do with what you please. No one can reasonably argue otherwise. Tenants can't just say "listen, I'm staying forever, kthanksbye".
But in the event the lease ends or whatever, the decent thing to do is remember that it's someone's home and they are now packing their shit on your schedule. Yes, that is what comes with being a renter. But the decent thing to do is show a little flexibility, which most landlords can. People have families, jobs, lives, and belongings, and it can take time to make that transition.
I skimmed the new law and I think it's great that in many cases LLs now have to give more than 30 days notice. 30 days is nothing. I can spend 30 days planning to dust my living room lol.
I did the landlord thing and very few problems can't be solved without a little compassion, flexibility, and communication in both directions.
To be clear - I'm speaking in general terms here, not in reference to the OP, who seems to have extended her tenants several reasonable options.
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| Posted 4/3/21 9:35 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by JennP
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
I would be more inclined to see it this way if it wasn't for the way the tenants behaved initially.
They sent a letter without communicating otherwise, refused the OP's money, and said they didn't want to be "inconvenienced" - Karen used quotes so I assume those are their words.
Their actions were not a good faith attempt to solve the problem. If they were really in a bind, they should have communicated and been a little more flexible.
Yeah, fair enough.
I’m just having a hard time understanding this as I have never rented in NY. It is completely different here and fixed term contracts are regulated here, i.e. there needs to be a valid acceptable reason to offer a fixed term contract in the first place. Most contracts are unlimited here and to get your own property back is not as simple as I’m selling it.
It’s more that I simply do not understand the laws there. That’s all. Sorry.
One of many, many things that are different between the US and Germany lol.
It varies by state. NY is very tenant friendly but most other states aren't. There is a state in the south where a LL can ask a tenant to vacate with 7 days notice without a lease. That's just plain immoral.
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klingklang77
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by JennP
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by JennP
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
I would be more inclined to see it this way if it wasn't for the way the tenants behaved initially.
They sent a letter without communicating otherwise, refused the OP's money, and said they didn't want to be "inconvenienced" - Karen used quotes so I assume those are their words.
Their actions were not a good faith attempt to solve the problem. If they were really in a bind, they should have communicated and been a little more flexible.
Yeah, fair enough.
I’m just having a hard time understanding this as I have never rented in NY. It is completely different here and fixed term contracts are regulated here, i.e. there needs to be a valid acceptable reason to offer a fixed term contract in the first place. Most contracts are unlimited here and to get your own property back is not as simple as I’m selling it.
It’s more that I simply do not understand the laws there. That’s all. Sorry.
One of many, many things that are different between the US and Germany lol.
It varies by state. NY is very tenant friendly but most other states aren't. There is a state in the south where a LL can ask a tenant to vacate with 7 days notice without a lease. That's just plain immoral.
OMG. 7 days is wrong!!!
I guess it’s so different because the renter is responsible for so much more (a lot of times you have to install your own kitchen, light fixtures, part of the bathroom (you get the toilet and shower, lol), and a few other things. It is so expensive to move here and you literally take the kitchen sink with you, so to me 3 months is the bare minimum morally. It’s a law here actually.
Again, sorry about that and I have no experience of renting in the US.
OP, hope you get this straightened out.
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BFNY516
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by JennP
Posted by Bebelove
Posted by hmm
Posted by BFNY516
I also will add that I wonder why you didn’t tell them sooner that you were thinking about putting it on the market? Prices have been skyrocketing all over Long Island… This isn’t a sudden burst of increasing home values. It’s been going on for well over a year now.
It sounds as though you wanted to wait to time it out perfectly on your end, that your plan all along has been to sell at some point.
Too many landlords purposely wait until the last minute to make a big announcement because they don’t want to lose their perfectly good tenants. They want to use them right up until they’re ready to spit them out without any regard to how disruptive it can be… Especially when you wrote “they were shocked but whatever they have time to move”. It’s not easy. They were probably under the impression that they were great tenants and had a good relationship with you since they paid on time. Renters know it’s hard to find great reliable renters. You even wrote that they were really good and they paid the rent on time… So then why didn’t you give them more notice, just like a heads up? It sounds like you probably didn’t want them to leave you in the lurch.
It’s not easy being a landlord (I know full well) but all too often the landlords only care about their position without any regard to how disruptive it can be to their renters.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but I’m offering another perspective. Being a landlord is a really important responsibility on many levels. While it’s just a passive income stream/investment (short term or otherwise) it’s someone’s home and stability.
I think you should’ve given them more advanced notice.
And again I’m not excusing their behavior.
agree 100%%%%%
Landlords worry about themselves and dont care imo how good of a renter a person is. They are happy to kick you out with 30 days notice.
This happened to me when the home owner knew they wanted to sell the year before... Took my money( cash) in one hand, then in the next sentence, by the way you have 30 days to move we want to sell and put the house on the market April 1
What did you expect ? Your are renting a private home. They are not landlords to take care of you, it’s your responsibility to figure it out, not the LL. They probably needed the money for whatever reason. We have 2 houses that we will sell when my kids start college. I would lose my ever loving $hit if the tenant refused to move !!!!!!
I see both sides here.
Yes, as the landlord, obviously you ultimately control the property and have the right to take over the space, with proper notice, to do with what you please. No one can reasonably argue otherwise. Tenants can't just say "listen, I'm staying forever, kthanksbye".
But in the event the lease ends or whatever, the decent thing to do is remember that it's someone's home and they are now packing their shit on your schedule. Yes, that is what comes with being a renter. But the decent thing to do is show a little flexibility, which most landlords can. People have families, jobs, lives, and belongings, and it can take time to make that transition.
I skimmed the new law and I think it's great that in many cases LLs now have to give more than 30 days notice. 30 days is nothing. I can spend 30 days planning to dust my living room lol.
I did the landlord thing and very few problems can't be solved without a little compassion, flexibility, and communication in both directions.
To be clear - I'm speaking in general terms here, not in reference to the OP, who seems to have extended her tenants several reasonable options.
And the people who say that this is just the cost of renting, and what do they expect… Well, these situations are also the cost of being a landlord. 
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