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Re: Tenant Vent
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You can tell them you will have no choice but to file in court for eviction and this may show up on their record and they may get their mortgage application denied. Isn't one of the questions on a mortgage application if you have any judgements against you? This may scare them.
Did that lol. They are convinced they are right and that they should not be inconvenienced to move before they are ready. They said they should not have to look for a short term place to live because it is a pandemic and I need to be more "understanding". They are delusional. They just just entitled millennials and I will do everything in my legal power now to crush them.
They aren’t delusional when it comes to Covid and getting people evicted. Do your research and be careful in pissing them off. I know this is not right but they can do more short term damage to you (drag their feet longer to move, trash your condo).
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I'm sorry you're dealing with this. I was a landlord once and I feel for you. They didn't handle this right, for sure. It's really nervy to send a letter saying "oh BTW we're staying in your house a month longer sorry not sorry" as if they could just slip that information in.
If they had a genuine hardship they should have communicated with you and probably would have been amenable to your financial offer. You say you "bent over backward for them" which makes it worse because I think that if someone extends you a kindness you do your best to either return it or at a minimum not screw them over.
I don't want to derail your post but I have to address your - not one, but two - generational insults towards younger people. This is a "family" site that I would assume is mostly made up of millennials so I'm not sure that was necessary and it probably didn't present well, although I can only speak for myself on that. (And I'm not even a millennial, and yes, I dislike "ok boomer" for the same reason.) Not to mention that I had five tenants and while none did anything like this, the nervier requests and general knucklehead behavior spanned generations; actually, it skewed older if anything but I'm not going to draw generational conclusions from it.
I'm stating the obvious but I would seek advice from your real estate attorney and get another's opinion if you don't like what they say. The one I used many years ago was good about giving quick advice over the phone. His name is Norman Heller, if you need someone.
I wonder if they know that (in your words) you should have given them an additional two weeks notice and that is fueling their nerve. I'm not saying your minor transgression equals theirs at all; my point is that it could be a hole in your legal argument should you pursue one. I just skimmed the 2019 law (haven't been a landlord since it was enacted) and it really sounded like it was written to make sure a landlord's ducks are in the absolute straightest of rows.
I do get that you want everything in writing but have you tried calling them? It's harder to be a d!ck in a live conversation so maybe that could move things along? (I hope it's clear that I think they are being dicks, not you lol.)
I agree that you probably won't lose your buyers. People get emotionally attached and will hopefully work with you. Perhaps the same financial incentive your tenants refused will entice your buyers instead, if necessary.
Good luck. I really do empathize. I was an "accidental" landlord as well and I get it. You weren't an investor trying to make some huge profit; you were just trying to recoup some costs in a lousy situation.
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Covid laws are for those who have financial hardship which is not the case here. You can not evict someone for not paying rent due to the impact of Covid. There is no financial hardship as he worked straight through and his wife does not work. This is an end of lease eviction which is called a hold over and it is different than a non payment eviction.
In the end it really doesn't matter. They are wrong and karma will bite them in the ass one day. I was just brought up to respect my obligations and that does not seem to be the case for many lately.
Thanks to all who responded. : ).
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by KarenK122
Covid laws are for those who have financial hardship which is not the case here. You can not evict someone for not paying rent due to the impact of Covid. There is no financial hardship as he worked straight through and his wife does not work. This is an end of lease eviction which is called a hold over and it is different than a non payment eviction.
In the end it really doesn't matter. They are wrong and karma will bite them in the ass one day. I was just brought up to respect my obligations and that does not seem to be the case for many lately.
Thanks to all who responded. : ).
I agree with you but I think all people are trying to say is be careful and it may not be so easy.
I hope you get them out! Keep us posted.
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Wow. So sorry you have to deal with this. Makes you wonder what the hell the point of a lease is if people can just say - "nah, we're not leaving"... Crazy.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ave1024
You can tell them you will have no choice but to file in court for eviction and this may show up on their record and they may get their mortgage application denied. Isn't one of the questions on a mortgage application if you have any judgements against you? This may scare them.
Did that lol. They are convinced they are right and that they should not be inconvenienced to move before they are ready. They said they should not have to look for a short term place to live because it is a pandemic and I need to be more "understanding". They are delusional. They just just entitled millennials and I will do everything in my legal power now to crush them.
There is also a moratorium on evictions (it MAY end on 4/30) but the courts are super backed up and an actual eviction/hold over proceeding (because it is really a hold over since they are current on rent) takes months to years anyway, so I don't know it is worth it to spend the money to do this.
Will they actually leave on 6/6? If you believe so, maybe speak to your buyer and see if they can do something?
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by KarenK122
Covid laws are for those who have financial hardship which is not the case here. You can not evict someone for not paying rent due to the impact of Covid. There is no financial hardship as he worked straight through and his wife does not work. This is an end of lease eviction which is called a hold over and it is different than a non payment eviction.
In the end it really doesn't matter. They are wrong and karma will bite them in the ass one day. I was just brought up to respect my obligations and that does not seem to be the case for many lately.
Thanks to all who responded. : ).
I agree with you but I think all people are trying to say is be careful and it may not be so easy.
I hope you get them out! Keep us posted.
I agree with Sash, and I work for a law firm, ALL courts are backed up and in my personal opinion it isn't worth it to do a holdover proceeding. They will still be given time to get out
(Personally, I was the tenant in a holdover proceeding years ago, they gave me 3 months, and then another 3 months to leave and I could have gotten more time if I needed to)
ETA: you run the risk of filing for the holdover and they dig their feet in more. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do on their part, but they COULD do it. And you wouldn't get a court date for X amount of time and they would be given more time to get a place to live.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by KarenK122
Covid laws are for those who have financial hardship which is not the case here. You can not evict someone for not paying rent due to the impact of Covid. There is no financial hardship as he worked straight through and his wife does not work. This is an end of lease eviction which is called a hold over and it is different than a non payment eviction.
In the end it really doesn't matter. They are wrong and karma will bite them in the ass one day. I was just brought up to respect my obligations and that does not seem to be the case for many lately.
Thanks to all who responded. : ).
They are not doing any evictions. We know of a landlord who was literally ready to have the sheriff there on 4/1 last year and the tenants are still there. Obviously this pre-dated Covid and they are still there.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ave1024
You can tell them you will have no choice but to file in court for eviction and this may show up on their record and they may get their mortgage application denied. Isn't one of the questions on a mortgage application if you have any judgements against you? This may scare them.
Did that lol. They are convinced they are right and that they should not be inconvenienced to move before they are ready. They said they should not have to look for a short term place to live because it is a pandemic and I need to be more "understanding". They are delusional. They just just entitled millennials and I will do everything in my legal power now to crush them.
So sorry you are going through this! This is crazy. In a buy/ sale if the buyer looses a house at closing and is homeless it’s on them but when the tenant won’t leave the seller is screwed? That’s crazy!!
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I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
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Re: Tenant Vent
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I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Mrs213
I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
The only problem is maybe the buyers actually want to live in their new home!??
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Mrs213
I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
The only problem is maybe the buyers actually want to live in their new home!??
Or inherit that problem, that would be a risk on the buyers side.
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Mrs213
I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
The only problem is maybe the buyers actually want to live in their new home!??
Or inherit that problem, that would be a risk on the buyers side.
I could see a problem if it were not disclosed to the buyers that it was tenant occupied. If they knew about it then it's a risk. But renting from the new owners is something that actually happens when the sellers can't get into their new place by closing so it's not unheard of...
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by Sash
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Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Mrs213
I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
The only problem is maybe the buyers actually want to live in their new home!??
Or inherit that problem, that would be a risk on the buyers side.
I could see a problem if it were not disclosed to the buyers that it was tenant occupied. If they knew about it then it's a risk. But renting from the new owners is something that actually happens when the sellers can't get into their new place by closing so it's not unheard of...
My friend just did this. She bought a house in Florida and her sellers rented from her for two months because there were construction delays on the house they were having built.
However, that was negotiated in good faith from the beginning and each side knew what was happening going into the deal. It's trickier now, a month away from closing.
I hope it works out for all. It sounds so stressful.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by Mrs213
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Posted by alli3131
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Mrs213
I would see if you can negotiate for them to pay rent to the new buyer. It's such a tough time for everyone. There is barely any inventory and it's hard to find a place to love into on short notice these days...
That’s a creative idea actually. Maybe they would even agree to pay more to stay longer. Rental inventory is super low, prices extremely high. One bedrooms are going for $2300.
On top of that, the renters saying they just decided to buy a house sounds pretty wifty to me. There are lines to attend open houses, bidding wars, and closings are taking longer because of the continual buying spree. Plus spring is coming, when most people list and buy. The only way they’d have a shot at closing quickly on a home they’d find is if they were to pay all cash.
The only problem is maybe the buyers actually want to live in their new home!??
Or inherit that problem, that would be a risk on the buyers side.
I could see a problem if it were not disclosed to the buyers that it was tenant occupied. If they knew about it then it's a risk. But renting from the new owners is something that actually happens when the sellers can't get into their new place by closing so it's not unheard of...
Yes, buyers can take pervious tenants when purchasing a home.
But the fact that the OP want to get the current tenants out means the buyers do not want the current tenants in. And yes, they can be fine with taking on the tenants but I’m sure the contract stipulates that the house needs to be unoccupied at time of closing. Can it happen that they buyers agree to keep the current tenants? yes.
But if the buyer has a loan that the property is “Owner” occupied then it’s going to be harder to get them to agree.
Or if they wanted the property vacant and now sellers are saying oh can you deal with them for x months coupled if the buyers wanted to live there.. another red flag.
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Re: Tenant Vent
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I also will add that I wonder why you didn’t tell them sooner that you were thinking about putting it on the market? Prices have been skyrocketing all over Long Island… This isn’t a sudden burst of increasing home values. It’s been going on for well over a year now.
It sounds as though you wanted to wait to time it out perfectly on your end, that your plan all along has been to sell at some point.
Too many landlords purposely wait until the last minute to make a big announcement because they don’t want to lose their perfectly good tenants. They want to use them right up until they’re ready to spit them out without any regard to how disruptive it can be… Especially when you wrote “they were shocked but whatever they have time to move”. It’s not easy. They were probably under the impression that they were great tenants and had a good relationship with you since they paid on time. Renters know it’s hard to find great reliable renters. You even wrote that they were really good and they paid the rent on time… So then why didn’t you give them more notice, just like a heads up? It sounds like you probably didn’t want them to leave you in the lurch.
It’s not easy being a landlord (I know full well) but all too often the landlords only care about their position without any regard to how disruptive it can be to their renters.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but I’m offering another perspective. Being a landlord is a really important responsibility on many levels. While it’s just a passive income stream/investment (short term or otherwise) it’s someone’s home and stability.
I think you should’ve given them more advanced notice.
And again I’m not excusing their behavior.
agree 100%%%%%
Landlords worry about themselves and dont care imo how good of a renter a person is. They are happy to kick you out with 30 days notice.
This happened to me when the home owner knew they wanted to sell the year before... Took my money( cash) in one hand, then in the next sentence, by the way you have 30 days to move we want to sell and put the house on the market April 1
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by BFNY516
I also will add that I wonder why you didn’t tell them sooner that you were thinking about putting it on the market? Prices have been skyrocketing all over Long Island… This isn’t a sudden burst of increasing home values. It’s been going on for well over a year now.
It sounds as though you wanted to wait to time it out perfectly on your end, that your plan all along has been to sell at some point.
Too many landlords purposely wait until the last minute to make a big announcement because they don’t want to lose their perfectly good tenants. They want to use them right up until they’re ready to spit them out without any regard to how disruptive it can be… Especially when you wrote “they were shocked but whatever they have time to move”. It’s not easy. They were probably under the impression that they were great tenants and had a good relationship with you since they paid on time. Renters know it’s hard to find great reliable renters. You even wrote that they were really good and they paid the rent on time… So then why didn’t you give them more notice, just like a heads up? It sounds like you probably didn’t want them to leave you in the lurch.
It’s not easy being a landlord (I know full well) but all too often the landlords only care about their position without any regard to how disruptive it can be to their renters.
I’m not excusing their behavior, but I’m offering another perspective. Being a landlord is a really important responsibility on many levels. While it’s just a passive income stream/investment (short term or otherwise) it’s someone’s home and stability.
I think you should’ve given them more advanced notice.
And again I’m not excusing their behavior.
agree 100%%%%%
Landlords worry about themselves and dont care imo how good of a renter a person is. They are happy to kick you out with 30 days notice.
This happened to me when the home owner knew they wanted to sell the year before... Took my money( cash) in one hand, then in the next sentence, by the way you have 30 days to move we want to sell and put the house on the market April 1
Renting an apartment is a business transaction. It is not anything personal. That is why people sign contracts/leases. That is to protect the tenant and the landlord. For every story of a terrible tenant is a story about a terrible landlord. The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
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Re: Tenant Vent
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Posted by KarenK122
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Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
The point is, I really don't care when they started looking for a house. That is not my problem. I am not their parents. It is a contract, plain and simple. If I did renew their lease and they found a house, do you think they would be paying me for breaking the lease? I highly doubt it. So again the landlord gets screwed. It's just a lesson learned for me that people look for excuses to bend the laws as they see fit.
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JennP
LIF Adult
Member since 10/06 3986 total posts
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
I would be more inclined to see it this way if it wasn't for the way the tenants behaved initially.
They sent a letter without communicating otherwise, refused the OP's money, and said they didn't want to be "inconvenienced" - Karen used quotes so I assume those are their words.
Their actions were not a good faith attempt to solve the problem. If they were really in a bind, they should have communicated and been a little more flexible.
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Bebelove
LIF Adolescent
Member since 8/12 742 total posts
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Re: Tenant Vent
Who TF do these people think they are ?! I’m sorry , they have nerve. I’d send the letters like the attorney above mentioned and also explain the new owners could charge them a fortune in rent and sue so GTFO out the condo! They are contractually obligated to leave. The entitlement is shocking and it’s not your problem, but they are making it so.
Message edited 4/3/2021 3:51:39 PM.
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| Posted 4/3/21 3:36 PM |
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KarenK122
The Journey is the Destination
Member since 5/05 4430 total posts
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Re: Tenant Vent
Posted by JennP
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
The point of this thread is that people need to abide by the contractual responsibilities that they promised too. My tenants have not and I have.
Yes, they agreed to the contract, but if something in the contract is not legal, then it cannot be enforced. For example, in my rental contract there is an outdated clause about painting and renovations and repairs. It can’t be enforced because something changed a few years back. Thankfully, I have a rental lawyer through the renters’ association here for my rights.
The Corona situation may have changed things at the moment in your contract. I don’t know. I’m not a lawyer and I don’t know your contract. Rental law is always changing and this current pandemic situation could affect your situation.
I’d see a lawyer. Do you have a landlord association like they do here?
The bottom line is you don’t have much time, so I would just more time finding a solution that will work for everyone. Going the eviction route won’t seem to work based on your time constraint.
I know that they will not be evicted prior to the date I need them too. I was just venting and I feel better lol. I am still absolutely pissed and I think they are entitled millennials. We will wait until the date they sent to my lawyer that they were leaving. If they don't, we'll come to the bridge when I cross it. I didn't hear back from the buyer yet so I'm sure that isn't good. I'll be stocking up on ramen and tuna fish to make up for the 2500 a month I'll be losing until they find it convenient for them to move out.
See that’s the thing. I don’t think they are “entitled millennials” here. You say they are doing well and not unemployed, etc.
However, do you know when they started looking for a house? Maybe it was just not possible during these times to find one within the stated time. Again I don’t know the Corona regulation for this and your contract, but I can see that they possibly have some rights here. It’s a month overlap. The more you explain it, the more I understand their side.
I also am coming from the side of a tenant and the fact that I hate my landlord. I am thankful there are laws to protect me.
I would be more inclined to see it this way if it wasn't for the way the tenants behaved initially.
They sent a letter without communicating otherwise, refused the OP's money, and said they didn't want to be "inconvenienced" - Karen used quotes so I assume those are their words.
Their actions were not a good faith attempt to solve the problem. If they were really in a bind, they should have communicated and been a little more flexible.
This is all basically correct. I am not an asshole. I honestly thought I was doing everything by the "law" and scheduled the sale around it being the easiest for them. The wife sat with me and the new owner for hours during the inspection and we all talked about the move in date. The tenant giving the new owner pointers about what was fun in the complex and such. It was all amicable until their letter. I found them a wonderful 1 bedroom extended stay and offered to pay the whole thing for the month and 1/2. They didn't like that, I offered them cash, they didn't like that. They literally just do not want to pack and unpack twice. It is as simple as that.
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