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MK2010x2
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Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
The complaints over extra unemployment are baffling to me.
What I don't understand is why every person making under $75,000 is getting a check. Sure it's nice - but I am very fortunate that both my job and my DH's job are WFH now. Frankly, we are not paying for the LIRR, MTA Metrocard, gas, CHILD CARE, lessons for the kids (except a few that are now virtual), etc. Why in the world should people like us get a check? (We should be giving away money now, not getting more.)
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
My boss was talking to me about this today actually.
I tend to agree with you.
I would rather the money go to small businesses who are struggling than to me who still has a job and DH who has a pension every month.
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
What’s baffling about it.
I’m baffled why people think we should be wasting Money by paying people more money then when they worked.
No one thinks that money should be going towards something else?
Giving people more money is not going to get people to stay home. If they are going to go out they are going to go out.
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Mrs213
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Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Last week I would have agreed, but as of now things are not looking great for my husbands job. He expects to hear officially tomorrow that he is being laid off. My salary barely covers the mortgage. We could use the money. Although I’m sure I will get insulted here for not having an adequate savings to cover a situation like this. But having 2 incomes and paying almost $25k a year in day care cost what can I tell you...
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MrsT809
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Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
I've had similar thoughts. DH has his paycheck so we are lucky in that respect. Not that we can't use the money but we're not in the situation many others are. With that said, I already see grocery and household goods increasing in price so the extra money will help. Anything additional we'll spend on home improvements which I feel is in the vain of the "stimulus." If people don't have money to spend, businesses will struggle all the more to recover.
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Christine2
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials 
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LuckyStar
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.
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NervousNell
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.
Me too
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.
Me too
For some people it would be a lot more. If you were only bringing in $400 a week you are now getting a $1000 a week.
I can’t imagine anyone liking to go back to work if they were allowed to in the month.
Plenty of people as is rip off the system. to think people wouldn’t leave a job especially if they think they can get rehired after this is all done to me is naive. People are not that good or honest!!
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MrsT809
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Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
But if you're choosing to leave a job how are you getting unemployment? Doesn't your employer have to verify that you were let go or had hours cut?
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
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LuckyStar
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.
Me too
For some people it would be a lot more. If you were only bringing in $400 a week you are now getting a $1000 a week.
I can’t imagine anyone liking to go back to work if they were allowed to in the month.
Plenty of people as is rip off the system. to think people wouldn’t leave a job especially if they think they can get rehired after this is all done to me is naive. People are not that good or honest!!
I’d imagine lots of people don’t like to work but they still do it.
Why would someone quit and then assume they’d be rehired? That’s idiotic. And if they weren’t rehired they’d be back to making pennies.
I don’t think of unemployment as ripping off the system.
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by MrsT809
But if you're choosing to leave a job how are you getting unemployment? Doesn't your employer have to verify that you were let go or had hours cut?
With pua you are allowed to quit as long as you can’t work from home!
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this.
Me too
For some people it would be a lot more. If you were only bringing in $400 a week you are now getting a $1000 a week.
I can’t imagine anyone liking to go back to work if they were allowed to in the month.
Plenty of people as is rip off the system. to think people wouldn’t leave a job especially if they think they can get rehired after this is all done to me is naive. People are not that good or honest!!
I’d imagine lots of people don’t like to work but they still do it.
Why would someone quit and then assume they’d be rehired? That’s idiotic. And if they weren’t rehired they’d be back to making pennies.
I don’t think of unemployment as ripping off the system.
Unemployment is not ripping off the system getting more than what you got paid working to me is.
People rip of the system all the time. I wonder what the percentage is of people who collect unemployment and work off the books. No doubt in my mind it’s high!
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
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Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
He will now get what ever he qualifies through his state unemployment (certain % and there’s a max) and now this $600 from the federal government a week!
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lululu
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Re: the unemployment benefits, from another perspective, if you own a small business and all of your employees are now collecting unemployment for an amount more than they were making while working, there is little to no incentive to return to work until the unemployment benefits end. I think that as long as employers can show that they are willing to rehire that person, they should no longer be eligible for the unemployment. I am not sure how it actually works though, never looked into it so for all I know it already works this way.
As for the stimulus checks, I'm not getting one but I am not complaining about it. A lot of people are going to hit really hard times right now so at least this might get them by for a little bit. But, I can also see if you live on Long Island and you are struggling but make just over the cut off, I might be upset about it. These things never take into consideration the higher cost of living we have here when they make these arbitrary cutoffs. Someone will have to pay for this eventually.....
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
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Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
He will now get what ever he qualifies through his state unemployment (certain % and there’s a max) and now this $600 from the federal government a week!
So an extra $600? He works part time and he only makes like $250/week. I know it would be much less than the 250 but then they are adding on 600?
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lululu
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by blu6385
Posted by valentinesbaby
Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
He will now get what ever he qualifies through his state unemployment (certain % and there’s a max) and now this $600 from the federal government a week!
So an extra $600? He works part time and he only makes like $250/week. I know it would be much less than the 250 but then they are adding on 600?
Yes, pretty sure have that right.
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Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
unemployment is not meant to last long term even in "good" times,prior to the pandemic. Unemployment is only given for a certain number of months, 4 I believe. Under normal times those on it must attend classes and keep track of job application, interviews and if you were offered a job and turned it down. I was on unemployment for 3.5 month in 2017. The max allowed in NY is far less than NJ. No one can survive in unemployment long term even at Max payments
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blu6385
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by blu6385
Posted by valentinesbaby
Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
He will now get what ever he qualifies through his state unemployment (certain % and there’s a max) and now this $600 from the federal government a week!
So an extra $600? He works part time and he only makes like $250/week. I know it would be much less than the 250 but then they are adding on 600?
Yes, pretty sure have that right.
Yep and that’s the problem. No offense to your cousin but why should he now be getting paid way more than he ever made . Its ridiculous.
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by blu6385
Posted by valentinesbaby
Ok I can give you some examples of these things. Yes both my spouse and I have a job, right now. We are blessed to be able to pay our bills but what if one of us loses our job? Not everyone is able to have a net for emergencies so many will take this money in case of an emergency. Why would it be fair to give to “Mary” who lost her job but then “Sue” has a job but then loses it a week after the checks go out.
The unemployment I am confused about. I have a cousin who got laid off but will get his job back once the company he works for re-opens. He just applied so not sure how much he will be getting but he is a college student and it would benefit him for the 4 months if he had to be out that amount of time. He will go back to work as soon as they open though.
I think many people are spoiled that they always have enough and don’t understand the average person who just make it every week and are grateful for anything that will help them. They are not looking to waste it but to keep themselves alive.
He will now get what ever he qualifies through his state unemployment (certain % and there’s a max) and now this $600 from the federal government a week!
So an extra $600? He works part time and he only makes like $250/week. I know it would be much less than the 250 but then they are adding on 600?
Yes, pretty sure have that right.
Yep and that’s the problem. No offense to your cousin but why should he now be getting paid way more than he ever made . Its ridiculous.
Oh I agree with you. I don’t think he should. Just to help him until they reopen.
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Christine2
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
"But do you really think she would leave to make slightly more for 4 months? I’m having so much trouble wrapping my head around this. "
Umm....yes. Plenty of employees are scared, have children out of school and/or older family members that live with them. If you are giving them MORE to stay home why in the world would they come back?
If the Dept of Labor doesn't have the manpower to determine the proper amounts to give people, t hen they certainly do not have enough manpower to ensure that employees who avoid returning to work have their unemployment revoked. Dept of Labor always favors the employee.
It is messed up.
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MK2010x2
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by Christine2
Posted by MK2010x2
Instead, I think the money SHOULD go to people losing their jobs. Even if they are paid more than for working, maybe it will encourage people to stay home, so this can all end sooner and people will stay alive.
So naiive...I am in an essential business. Had to lay off 4 of 5 employees. How can I retain the one willing to stay (and risk getting ill) when her colleagues are making MORE unemployed?!? The whole thing is utterly ridiculous. Yes, pay them something close - like 65 - 70% or so, but not more. Fuming mad at the idiocy of our elected officials
Seems to me there was money put aside for small businesses ($349 billion). "Loans" that cover 2.5 months of payroll up to $10 million for 8 weeks which is more like a grant and doesn't have to be paid back.
These are no interest, tax free loans that don't have to be paid back for a year. So, there's that.
I feel for the small businesses, too, all I was saying was that a couple making $150K (AGI - not net) a year with two people working from home, I'm not quite sure should be getting $2400 plus $500 per kid. If one or both of those people should become unemployed, that clearly changes things.
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
They are trying to prop up the economy. If you are not going to the store, you are just buying necessities, no going to target and picking up that cute, but not needed. You are not going to the movies, not buying clothing, not spending money here and there. This money is to Hail Mary pass money into the system. They want you to spend it even if you don’t need it to keep the commerce moving. They want you to keep spending. We are in a recession. You might have your job today, but millions of people don’t. millions of people filed for unemployment. Our economy is going to suck in a matter of weeks. My brother is in charge of deciding who is getting fired in a 20,000 person company. I am sure those decisions are being made by many large employers sooner than later.
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NervousNell
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Re: Spinoff to Getting Unemployment
Posted by LSP2005
They are trying to prop up the economy. If you are not going to the store, you are just buying necessities, no going to target and picking up that cute, but not needed. You are not going to the movies, not buying clothing, not spending money here and there. This money is to Hail Mary pass money into the system. They want you to spend it even if you don’t need it to keep the commerce moving. They want you to keep spending. We are in a recession. You might have your job today, but millions of people don’t. millions of people filed for unemployment. Our economy is going to suck in a matter of weeks. My brother is in charge of deciding who is getting fired in a 20,000 person company. I am sure those decisions are being made by many large employers sooner than later.
Clearly, I did not get the memo about not buying clothes and spending money.
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