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Posted 10/3/05 4:18 PM
 
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It would be a real agreement if it didn't include longer days. 10 minutes added to the day is bull$hit! But hey, it's better then striking I guess.

Posted 10/3/05 8:20 PM
 

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you are right but its better than striking, couldnt afford to do that

Posted 10/3/05 8:41 PM
 

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Both me and DH work for BOE so we definitely couldn't afford to strike.

AT this point, I'm just so sick of hearing about it, hopefully everyone will stop talking about it soon.

Posted 10/3/05 9:39 PM
 

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I am glad there won't be a strike- there's no way I would ever cross a picket line but DH and I would be in deep trouble.

It sounds all good, but I'm curious to see the real details. Of course it's going to be spun to make the Mayor look like the good guy.

Sorry to hijack. Bloomberg makes me sick, at least as far as his handling of the schools goes. I am wondering what will happen with his desire to take away our rights to challenge the letters that go into our file.

I am going to see what they have to say over at Edwize

Posted 10/3/05 9:46 PM
 

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I think the contract is full of baloney....Randi sold us out...I will not get out of school until after 4:15. That is just way too late. I am really annoyed at that part..

Posted 10/3/05 10:46 PM
 

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It's not really great news. We have to give up a lot in order to get the "raise." Is anyone else a high school or middle school NYC teacher? Everyone seems to be worried that the extra time is going to be for teaching a 6th period, which wouldn't really be a raise considering nobody else does that!!

Posted 10/3/05 11:03 PM
 

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Posted by beachgirl13

It's not really great news. We have to give up a lot in order to get the "raise." Is anyone else a high school or middle school NYC teacher? Everyone seems to be worried that the extra time is going to be for teaching a 6th period, which wouldn't really be a raise considering nobody else does that!!



That'smy point. Yeah, it's more money, but typical raises don't include more responsibilities or longer work days. Those are called promotions!Chat Icon

Posted 10/4/05 1:57 AM
 

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Chat Icon I'm glad you came to a settlement finally. The raise is great for you but the 10 extra minutes s^cks! I think you are all way underpaid and desserve a better contract. You are underappreciated too and have it much harder than we do out on LI.

I teach in a public school in suffolk and we are going through contract negotiations. We are having a hard time too and what the district wants us to give up for no raise is unreal. I don't se a contract being settled in the near future for us as well.

Chat Icon 's to all my fellow teachers!

Posted 10/4/05 7:53 AM
 

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In my opinion, it's not a raise. It's being compensated for the EXTRA time we will have to put it. A raise is given without a change in duties.
Secondly, the cost of living increases every year by approx. 3-5%. So basically we are just getting a basic increase that most jobs receive. I'm sorry to be Debbie Downer here, but it really pisses me off that they call it a raise.

Posted 10/4/05 8:29 AM
 

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I think the contract is full of baloney....Randi sold us out...I will not get out of school until after 4:15. That is just way too late. I am really annoyed at that part..



I agree, she sold us out. That's what we get for electing someone who spent all of ten minutes in a classroom, but that's all any higher-up needs these days. Chat Icon

I am wondering if it will be ratified.

Posted 10/4/05 8:39 AM
 

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I am a high school teacher (actually a literacy coach) This is my first year in the DOE after many years in the Catholic schools. I must say that it is the worst experience that I have ever had teaching. The school exists in Chaos every day. The students are extremely misbehaved and exhibit no social graces. Now, this contract will force me to stay until 4:15 with an our commute home.

I am also "required" to work in the reading clinic one day a week and work 2 hours a day after school in the p.m. school. So twice a week I don't leave until after 6 pm. What a life I tell you.

It is a shame that Randi sold us out to make herself look good. The worst part about the contract is the piece about filing grievences on the principal. We have lost that power and that is a shame b/c there are so many incompetant principals out there!

Posted 10/4/05 8:43 AM
 

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Posted by BigB

The worst part about the contract is the piece about filing grievences on the principal. We have lost that power and that is a shame b/c there are so many incompetant principals out there!



This worries me a lot- I have worked for one principal who was very vindictive and really went after people- for some reason he liked me or I would have been in trouble because I was a first year teacher then. Unfortunately there are a lot of incompetent prinicipals. I wish the media would stop kissing Bloomy's *** about the scores (the scores went up everywhere, it's not really a reflection on him being so great) and look into the disaster that is the Principal's Academy. I know of three people who did it, two were total disasters and I am sure there were more,

Big B- there are two schools in my building with vacancies, middle schools in the Bronx. If you might be interested let me know. One of the pricipals is a real battle ax and not very nice, the other one's a good guy though.

Posted 10/4/05 8:53 AM
 

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Posted by Spring Baby06

In my opinion, it's not a raise. It's being compensated for the EXTRA time we will have to put it. A raise is given without a change in duties.
Secondly, the cost of living increases every year by approx. 3-5%. So basically we are just getting a basic increase that most jobs receive. I'm sorry to be Debbie Downer here, but it really pisses me off that they call it a raise.



You're not a downer. You are absolutely right! I don't want to complain. Believe me, it's better than striking, BUT it still isn't fair. I love my job, I do. But a raise doesn't include extra duties.

Posted 10/4/05 9:28 AM
 

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I am glad that we've finally reached a contract, because a strike would have been a scary thing to go through, but reading the part in the papers about the principals gaining more power was personally very scary. we had an insane principal for the past 10 years, who just moved up to the region and our new principal is much better, but i have first hand knowledge of what a power-hungry nazi-esque principal can be like. it's frightening that people like her can gain even more power, because it takes away from the people who in my opinion are really making the difference -- the teachers.

i'm on maternity leave now so i'm out of the scoop! i hvae to call up my teacher friends tonight and see what they all think about it!

-melissa

Posted 10/4/05 9:57 AM
 

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What's funny is that his tv ads say how in schools they are serving 5 million more meals thanks to the breakfast program, but they conveniently leave out the fact that 4th grade classes have over 32 kids in them and that is the biggest testing year. Lovely! Chat Icon

Posted 10/4/05 9:59 AM
 

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but they conveniently leave out the fact that 4th grade classes have over 32 kids in them and that is the biggest testing year. Lovely! Chat Icon



Yeah, I don't get how he and Klein can turn their heads on the class size issue. When my school was broken into 3 last year, our class sizes went up (to 38 in some classes, no one had less than 32) because we lost classroom spaces to offices. Even if they simply acknowledged that it was a problem I'd be less annoyed. There's plenty of money to pay the Aussies a grand a day!

Now I saw on a blog that we will have an extra 37 1/2 minutes extra a day? I thought it was 10? How does this work out?

Posted 10/4/05 1:44 PM
 

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I emailed Randi, just asking out of curiosity how this is a raise. 37 minutes??? ***???

Posted 10/4/05 5:56 PM
 

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I emailed Randi, just asking out of curiosity how this is a raise. 37 minutes??? ***???



I figured it out- the 100 minutes plus the extra 50 added on to the day.

It's NOT a raise. Someone on a blog I found through Edwize said it's 30% more work for 15% more money.Chat Icon

Posted 10/4/05 9:51 PM
 

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Posted by beachgirl13

It's not really great news. We have to give up a lot in order to get the "raise." Is anyone else a high school or middle school NYC teacher? Everyone seems to be worried that the extra time is going to be for teaching a 6th period, which wouldn't really be a raise considering nobody else does that!!



That'smy point. Yeah, it's more money, but typical raises don't include more responsibilities or longer work days. Those are called promotions!Chat Icon



I think that they should bring you guys up to par with those of us on LI.

I am in a district in Nassau and we were just given a MOA and while the raise is big- they are finally bringing us up to the average of Nassau since we were in the bottom 3, our union sold us out BIG time.

We have to start before Labor Day, can have up to 4 meetings a semster that can go up to 2 hours in length and that can also be used for staff development (we are already doing 15 hours of that too) They also want to do pop in observations and you will not be able to grieve anything that is written. That is a big one IMO giving up your right to grieve is HUGE! They are uping what we pay to medical to almost 15% They are also increasing our calendar year.

We will get 2 more sick days and 1 more personal day but we give up our bonus days (we used to get 10 bonus days when we banked 50) and we cannot use any personal days before a holiday or vacation. We will now be able to bank 200 days instead of just 180 and there is a buy out in there for retiring teachers.

So we are not really getting a raise either Chat Icon because everything that I will get I will have to pay back in daycare costs. I know there is more BS in there but at the moment I can't think of what it is. Sadly I think it will pass because too many people will just look at the money.

Posted 10/4/05 10:08 PM
 

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WE MUST STICK TOGETHER ON THIS AND VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!
THis is not what we want and it is not good for teachers!!!
Let them go back to the drawing board again ...make Randi work for her money afterall she's getting over 200,000 a year ....dont let her sell us out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 10/4/05 11:32 PM
 

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WE MUST STICK TOGETHER ON THIS AND VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!
THis is not what we want and it is not good for teachers!!!
Let them go back to the drawing board again ...make Randi work for her money afterall she's getting over 200,000 a year ....dont let her sell us out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I completely agree with you! I know some people are probably thinking, wow, teachers just keep wanting more, but this is not a raise. If it were a raise, it would be awesome! Hey 15% is great. But adding more time, extending the day when it won't do $hit for anyone (10 minutes for a read aloud anyone??? Chat Icon ) and to add lunch duties??? Our union was created because having teachers do lunch duty was against our rights! We don't eat as it is because we have so much to do. This is just a slap in our faces!

Posted 10/5/05 8:30 AM
 

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Posted by maggiebaby75

WE MUST STICK TOGETHER ON THIS AND VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!
THis is not what we want and it is not good for teachers!!!
Let them go back to the drawing board again ...make Randi work for her money afterall she's getting over 200,000 a year ....dont let her sell us out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I completely agree with you! I know some people are probably thinking, wow, teachers just keep wanting more, but this is not a raise. If it were a raise, it would be awesome! Hey 15% is great. But adding more time, extending the day when it won't do $hit for anyone (10 minutes for a read aloud anyone??? Chat Icon ) and to add lunch duties??? Our union was created because having teachers do lunch duty was against our rights! We don't eat as it is because we have so much to do. This is just a slap in our faces!



I agree too- the money would be wonderful, if it came with no strings attached. I'm interested to get back to work tomorrow to see what my co-workers think.

Posted 10/5/05 8:36 AM
 

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Good luck all!

Posted 10/5/05 8:40 AM
 

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Posted by maggiebaby75

WE MUST STICK TOGETHER ON THIS AND VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!
THis is not what we want and it is not good for teachers!!!
Let them go back to the drawing board again ...make Randi work for her money afterall she's getting over 200,000 a year ....dont let her sell us out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Oh don't worry, I plan on voting no. I just think many brand new teachers will vote yes, because they see the 15% and goChat Icon .

We need to vote NO!!!!!!Chat Icon

Posted 10/5/05 10:13 AM
 
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