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BargainMama
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
Very well said! Thank you
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by BargainMama
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
Very well said! Thank you
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
AMEN! 
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| Posted 9/29/21 11:03 AM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
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| Posted 9/29/21 11:07 AM |
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chilltocam
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
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| Posted 9/29/21 12:25 PM |
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Raging2020
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
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| Posted 9/29/21 12:32 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
But we are in a GLOBAL pandemic right now. One that has killed millions of people. Healthcare workers and school personnel work in environments conducive to spreading illness, and rapidly. And yes, you do have the freedom to not get your kids vaccinated, and they are not allowed to go to school. So there's that. My sister doesn't vaccinate, always claimed religious exemption (even though it's not against her religion), and finally the school challenged her, had a hearing and she either had to vaccinate her kids or homeschool them.
Going forward these professions have to be vaccinated, just like they had to be vaccinated to be hired. The end. Does it suck that the rules changed NOW, yup. Does it suck someone is losing their career? Sure does. But, it's life now.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by mxoxom2004
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
Actually there is a “cancer vaccine” and I wouldn’t give it to my children. It’s too new. (Guardasil)
If we’re talking a cancer TREATMENT then yes I would experiment with that if I had terminal cancer. Same if they were putting me on a ventilator with Covid.
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mxoxom2004
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
The FDA first approved first-generation Gardasil®, produced by Merck, in 2006, which prevented infection of four strains of HPV – 6, 11, 16, and 18. In December 2014, Gardasil®9 was approved by the FDA.
It's not really that new.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
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| Posted 9/29/21 1:12 PM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
Well I know for sure my morals and ethics are far superior than yours.
And yes we already set a precedent that what ever the government spews out its follow the leader time.
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| Posted 9/29/21 1:19 PM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
But we are in a GLOBAL pandemic right now. One that has killed millions of people. Healthcare workers and school personnel work in environments conducive to spreading illness, and rapidly. And yes, you do have the freedom to not get your kids vaccinated, and they are not allowed to go to school. So there's that. My sister doesn't vaccinate, always claimed religious exemption (even though it's not against her religion), and finally the school challenged her, had a hearing and she either had to vaccinate her kids or homeschool them.
Going forward these professions have to be vaccinated, just like they had to be vaccinated to be hired. The end. Does it suck that the rules changed NOW, yup. Does it suck someone is losing their career? Sure does. But, it's life now.
What jobs require you to be vaccinated? And I’m talking all the other vaccinations. That wasn’t on any job application I’ve see
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| Posted 9/29/21 1:22 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
Well I know for sure my morals and ethics are far superior than yours.
And yes we already set a precedent that what ever the government spews out its follow the leader time.
Yeah, you believe whatever you want  You know nothing about me - no matter what you think. (And I couldn't care less what you or your little posse think about me). Get off your high horse and maybe consider that yours are not the only "correct" thoughts
ETA: Pretty ironic that someone who is so concerned about the government imposing a certain "mindset" is sooooo sure that HER way is the right way and all others are wrong 
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| Posted 9/29/21 1:52 PM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
Well I know for sure my morals and ethics are far superior than yours.
And yes we already set a precedent that what ever the government spews out its follow the leader time.
Yeah, you believe whatever you want You know nothing about me - no matter what you think. (And I couldn't care less what you or your little posse think about me). Get off your high horse and maybe consider that yours are not the only "correct" thoughts
ETA: Pretty ironic that someone who is so concerned about the government imposing a certain "mindset" is sooooo sure that HER way is the right way and all others are wrong
Ok Carolyn. Love is love right?!
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| Posted 9/29/21 2:44 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
Well I know for sure my morals and ethics are far superior than yours.
And yes we already set a precedent that what ever the government spews out its follow the leader time.
Yeah, you believe whatever you want You know nothing about me - no matter what you think. (And I couldn't care less what you or your little posse think about me). Get off your high horse and maybe consider that yours are not the only "correct" thoughts
ETA: Pretty ironic that someone who is so concerned about the government imposing a certain "mindset" is sooooo sure that HER way is the right way and all others are wrong
Ok Carolyn. Love is love right?!
Don't worry - I kow plenty of your LIF friends names too. Would you like me to post them here? Links to their facebook pages? I'm sure they'd be so pleased. You keep being a bully Miss High and Mighty Morals. You think you are more moral and eithical than me? What a hypocrite
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| Posted 9/29/21 3:16 PM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Every doctor is going to have a different opinion on this because it is still so new and there is not a lot of long term data. I am friends with a lot of doctors, they all agree adults should get vaccinated but they have different opinions on children, especially young children. Also, just as an FYI, and I mean no disrespect towards pediatricians since they did go to medical school and pass their boards, but throughout the medical community they are typically not that highly regarded.
Got similar advice from their other doctors and from my own. Even my mom who is 81 got similar advice. They are not for it but if you want it it’s all your decision. However the government is changing that freedom of choice
Freedom of choice goes out the window when there is a global pandemic though, at least I think? I mean, we don't have a choice whether we want to give our kids the chicken pox vaccine, the hep. vaccine (and our kids definitely aren't getting hep in school). No choice to pay taxes, wear seatbelts, not smoke in public buildings, kids in carseats, turning kids around in carseats, going to school, etc. etc. etc. And yes, those immunizations all have been around for years...but we have also not had a pandemic before in modern times that required the QUICK production of a life saving vaccine (because we do KNOW that it's preventing serious illness and death, right? At least according to the scientific studies and not the Facebook memes). Do we want to be in a Pandemic for 10 years with no vaccine, and MORE people dying? I mean, isn't almost 700k people dying in the US enough?
But, sure, let's go back to the beginning. Where it was before. Because no one wants to wear masks. No one wants to get immunized, all because no one wants anyone telling them what to do. So weird to me. So very weird. But, I digress.
(and before you give me the jargon about the vaccine is new...that's why people are hesitant...I get it. But if this was a new cancer vaccine, people would be lining up I'm sure).
I love how easily people are ok with giving up any freedom to the government. It’s sad that Americans don’t see the bigger picture here.
And with all the examples you gave, you have the freedom to not give your children vaccines. And there are many who lived long lives without a majority of them as adults. But to force employees at jobs to fall in line and do something they may not wanted to do, is morally and ethically wrong.
Morally and ethically wrong according to who? You? Yes, to you. So, we should all have the same morals and ethics as you? Is that what you are saying? Well, then, to those who disagree with you, wouldn't that be just the same as "giving up any freedom" to abide what YOU think is right?
Do you realize there are young healthcare workers who lost their jobs because they didn’t want to get the vaccine until they were able to freeze their eggs??? DO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS.
I could go on with valid reasons why people were holding off on getting the vaccine.
Get ready….you give and inch and they take a foot.
If you saw my other post, I did state that I see where BOTH sides are coming from on this. But no, I don't see HOW WRONG THIS MANDATE IS, blindly. I fully understand why SOME people are hesitant to get the vaccine. I also think SOME people have dug their heels in just because they can - not for any valid reason. As someone else posted on another thread, their husband works with someone who said they wouldn't get it ONLY becuase of the mandate, not because of any valid health concerns or beliefs.
And, no I don't see this as "giving an inch taking a foot". We are a country of laws - everyone of which technically takes away a "freedom".
And if freezing eggs is/was truly the way some people wanted to handle this, they could have at the very least started (if not completed) the process way before this week.
Well I know for sure my morals and ethics are far superior than yours.
And yes we already set a precedent that what ever the government spews out its follow the leader time.
Yeah, you believe whatever you want You know nothing about me - no matter what you think. (And I couldn't care less what you or your little posse think about me). Get off your high horse and maybe consider that yours are not the only "correct" thoughts
ETA: Pretty ironic that someone who is so concerned about the government imposing a certain "mindset" is sooooo sure that HER way is the right way and all others are wrong
Ok Carolyn. Love is love right?!
Don't worry - I kow plenty of your LIF friends names too. Would you like me to post them here? Links to their facebook pages? I'm sure they'd be so pleased. You keep being a bully Miss High and Mighty Morals. You think you are more moral and eithical than me? What a hypocrite
Girl bye! 
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jellybean78
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Bellaocchi
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
THIS - Absolutely THIS
It's frightening how so many people are so easily manipulated and fighting for a vaccine that doesn't even prevent the spread of COVID....
No option for testing or no consideration for those with natural antibodies lets just fire these people because they didn't bend to our demands.
The very same people cheering on the healthcare workers last year for their bravery are now applauding them being terminated because they refuse this vaccine..what a joke.
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| Posted 9/29/21 8:12 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by mxoxom2004
The FDA first approved first-generation Gardasil®, produced by Merck, in 2006, which prevented infection of four strains of HPV – 6, 11, 16, and 18. In December 2014, Gardasil®9 was approved by the FDA.
It's not really that new.
Too new 7 years ago for my kids. Many have you here kids so for them it is not as new as back then.
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| Posted 9/29/21 8:24 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by Bellaocchi
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
THIS - Absolutely THIS
It's frightening how so many people are so easily manipulated and fighting for a vaccine that doesn't even prevent the spread of COVID....
No option for testing or no consideration for those with natural antibodies lets just fire these people because they didn't bend to our demands.
The very same people cheering on the healthcare workers last year for their bravery are now applauding them being terminated because they refuse this vaccine..what a joke.
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| Posted 9/29/21 8:50 PM |
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Why did Aladdin on Broadway close down? I thought everyone had to be vaccinated, guests masked too. Must be the rare breakthrough cases and the unvaccinated who were not there
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| Posted 9/30/21 2:00 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Anotherplease
Why did Aladdin on Broadway close down? I thought everyone had to be vaccinated, guests masked too. Must be the rare breakthrough cases and the unvaccinated who were not there
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| Posted 9/30/21 2:09 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I saw that.
There are also cases within the Zac Brown Band (Zac himself) and the Brothers Osborne (I know this since I have tickets to see both of them this month that I bought when it looked like Covid was over).
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| Posted 9/30/21 2:22 PM |
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NervousNell
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..being a mommy and being a wife!
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by ali120206
I saw that.
There are also cases within the Zac Brown Band (Zac himself) and the Brothers Osborne (I know this since I have tickets to see both of them this month that I bought when it looked like Covid was over).
Interesting.
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