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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

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3girls1dog
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NEW No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

There is no rhyme or reason to any of this. If you have the chicken pox antibodies do they tell you to get the vaccine.....no. Everyday there is a new plan and people just follow along. I remember my Philosophy class..

I think therefore I am.

People don't think anymore!

Message edited 9/26/2021 12:43:34 PM.

Posted 9/26/21 12:42 PM
 
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itsbabytime
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by 3girls1dog

There is no rhyme or reason to any of this. If you have the chicken pox antibodies do they tell you to get the vaccine.....no. Everyday there is a new plan and people just follow along. I remember my Philosophy class..

I think therefore I am.

People don't think anymore!



I hear what your saying but this situation is different. When you have the chicken pox, you don’t get it again. COVID doesn’t work like that - people are getting it twice, even three times in the short period it’s been around. I know two people that have had it twice and sadly, one 60 year old who had covid last year, had VERY high antibodies which he frequently tested, contracted covid for the second time at the end of august and died within 2 weeks. The fact that he had antibodies meant nothing. That is the issue here wny bloodwork evidence of immunity from a prior infection doesn’t suffice. I guess maybe it’s because there are different strains? THAT SAID- the same is true for the vaccine. Studies have shown that You can get the vaccine and have no antibodies because of age, health, certain medication etc - no one tests- so no one knows if any vaccinated person is actually immune. Also we now know that you can have the vaccine and still get and spread covid and, finally that the immunity of the vaccine will wane over time. Given all of this, there is NO justification for a mandate and no grounds to distinguish between natural immunity and the vaccine.

Posted 9/26/21 2:12 PM
 

KarenK122
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by itsbabytime

Posted by 3girls1dog

There is no rhyme or reason to any of this. If you have the chicken pox antibodies do they tell you to get the vaccine.....no. Everyday there is a new plan and people just follow along. I remember my Philosophy class..

I think therefore I am.

People don't think anymore!



I hear what your saying but this situation is different. When you have the chicken pox, you don’t get it again. COVID doesn’t work like that - people are getting it twice, even three times in the short period it’s been around. I know two people that have had it twice and sadly, one 60 year old who had covid last year, had VERY high antibodies which he frequently tested, contracted covid for the second time at the end of august and died within 2 weeks. The fact that he had antibodies meant nothing. That is the issue here wny bloodwork evidence of immunity from a prior infection doesn’t suffice. I guess maybe it’s because there are different strains? THAT SAID- the same is true for the vaccine. Studies have shown that You can get the vaccine and have no antibodies because of age, health, certain medication etc - no one tests- so no one knows if any vaccinated person is actually immune. Also we now know that you can have the vaccine and still get and spread covid and, finally that the immunity of the vaccine will wane over time. Given all of this, there is NO justification for a mandate and no grounds to distinguish between natural immunity and the vaccine.



I agree with you. The Covid "vaccine" is nothing more than the flu shot and should be up to the individual if they receive it or not. The public was lied to claiming this was a true vaccine when obviously it is not as people are continuing to get sick.

Just a clarification though, you can get chicken pox again as it comes as shingles as an adult. It is from the same strain. Also many adults have been required to get the chickenpox vaccine even after they had it as a child, myself being one of them because of a travel law.

Posted 9/26/21 2:24 PM
 

MrsWoods
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.

Posted 9/26/21 7:52 PM
 

alli3131
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"

Posted 9/27/21 8:05 AM
 

KarenK122
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by alli3131

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"




Yes exactly. The Covid "vaccine" does not provide immunity and calling the flu shot a vaccine a stretch as well.

Posted 9/27/21 8:14 AM
 

alli3131
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by alli3131

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"




Yes exactly. The Covid "vaccine" does not provide immunity and calling the flu shot a vaccine a stretch as well.



Both the Flu and Covid vaccine absolutely stimulate an immune response. It may not be as effective for your liking but it absolutely is a vaccine.

Check the efficacy of other vaccines. None are 100%. Some are in the 70s. But most of don’t questions that.

Posted 9/27/21 8:25 AM
 

windyweather21
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by alli3131

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by alli3131

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"




Yes exactly. The Covid "vaccine" does not provide immunity and calling the flu shot a vaccine a stretch as well.



Both the Flu and Covid vaccine absolutely stimulate an immune response. It may not be as effective for your liking but it absolutely is a vaccine.

Check the efficacy of other vaccines. None are 100%. Some are in the 70s. But most of don’t questions that.



Then on top of not knowing how effective it is on each individual and when it will "wear off".

Cheryl Burke from Dancing with the Stars just said she has tested positive and is fully vaccinated.

Posted 9/27/21 9:05 AM
 

KarenK122
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by alli3131

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by alli3131

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"




Yes exactly. The Covid "vaccine" does not provide immunity and calling the flu shot a vaccine a stretch as well.



Both the Flu and Covid vaccine absolutely stimulate an immune response. It may not be as effective for your liking but it absolutely is a vaccine.

Check the efficacy of other vaccines. None are 100%. Some are in the 70s. But most of don’t questions that.



Breakthrough cases are a few not in the 30% range. Again the definitions are being stretched. If 30% of those vaccinated are still getting sick, any reasonable person should be considering the validity of the "vaccine".

I am not anti vaccine. I, and my whole family received the shot but I think the truth was far stretched about this shot. I agree it is helping those to lessen the severity of the disease but in no way is it making me immune. If it was then there should be no reason for any vaccinated person to quarantine or wear a mask.

Posted 9/27/21 9:16 AM
 

MrsWoods
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.

Message edited 9/27/2021 9:46:28 AM.

Posted 9/27/21 9:46 AM
 

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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




And that is why you are not concerned in the least if the person sitting next to you on the train, or at a concert or at a NYC restaurant is vaccinated for polio or measles. That is why they don't ask to see your vaccine records for all these other vaccines.
Because as long as YOU have it you are protected. Period end of story.

Posted 9/27/21 9:49 AM
 

windyweather21
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




And that is why you are not concerned in the least if the person sitting next to you on the train, or at a concert or at a NYC restaurant is vaccinated for polio or measles. That is why they don't ask to see your vaccine records for all these other vaccines.
Because as long as YOU have it you are protected. Period end of story.




Exactly. No one knows if they are truly protected from this vaccine and many have put all their confidence in this and will believe anything that is told to them.
Scientists mess up too, they are human.

Posted 9/27/21 9:56 AM
 

Raging2020
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by alli3131

Posted by KarenK122

Posted by alli3131

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by PitterPatter11

Posted by MrsWoods

Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.

Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..



Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.

Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.



Lets just say its not a the definition of a vaccine.





vac·cine
/vak'sen/

noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"every year the flu vaccine is modified to deal with new strains of the virus"




Yes exactly. The Covid "vaccine" does not provide immunity and calling the flu shot a vaccine a stretch as well.



Both the Flu and Covid vaccine absolutely stimulate an immune response. It may not be as effective for your liking but it absolutely is a vaccine.

Check the efficacy of other vaccines. None are 100%. Some are in the 70s. But most of don’t questions that.



Breakthrough cases are a few not in the 30% range. Again the definitions are being stretched. If 30% of those vaccinated are still getting sick, any reasonable person should be considering the validity of the "vaccine".

I am not anti vaccine. I, and my whole family received the shot but I think the truth was far stretched about this shot. I agree it is helping those to lessen the severity of the disease but in no way is it making me immune. If it was then there should be no reason for any vaccinated person to quarantine or wear a mask.



I guarantee it’s higher than 30% if we actually required weekly testing of vaccinated. They are just asymptomatic or assume it’s allergies or something (like the ones I know personally). The “vaccine” is just lessening the symptoms.

Posted 9/27/21 10:26 AM
 

MrsWoods
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




And that is why you are not concerned in the least if the person sitting next to you on the train, or at a concert or at a NYC restaurant is vaccinated for polio or measles. That is why they don't ask to see your vaccine records for all these other vaccines.
Because as long as YOU have it you are protected. Period end of story.




Exactly. If you are fully vaccinated and still have to wear masks and social distance and still worry then it’s not what they play it out to be.

Posted 9/27/21 10:36 AM
 

soontobemommyof2
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.

Posted 9/27/21 10:55 AM
 

soontobemommyof2
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

I think they’ve been selling the idea of this injection being a “vaccine” because once the EUA is lifted, the only protection they’ll have is being liability-free, a protection from any potential lawsuits that vaccines have been getting from the government since 1986. So from their part, this idea of it being a vaccine is pretty clever. They’ve been paving their way for protecting themselves from future lawsuits.

Posted 9/27/21 11:07 AM
 

MrsWoods
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”

Posted 9/27/21 11:09 AM
 

soontobemommyof2
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”



“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.

Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.

Message edited 9/27/2021 11:26:01 AM.

Posted 9/27/21 11:17 AM
 

MrsWoods
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”



“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.

Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.



What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are

Posted 9/27/21 11:53 AM
 

Raging2020
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NEW No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

It all comes down to the fact that when i CHOOSE to get a vaccine for myself or my children i am typically able to research the possible side effects / long term effects and I leave the doctors office confident that they will not catch the illness it is supposed to prevent and I know if and when we will need a booster prior to the first injection.

Pretty sure I can’t say any of that about the Covid “vaccine”

Message edited 9/27/2021 12:33:23 PM.

Posted 9/27/21 12:32 PM
 

soontobemommyof2
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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”



“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.

Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.



What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are



I agree with u, the covid vaccine is not truly a vaccine.

Posted 9/27/21 1:14 PM
 

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“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”



“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.

Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.



What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are



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Posted 9/27/21 3:22 PM
 

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I feel the ethical responsibility to say this….to those who are reading this post and truly just trying to find your own information to make the best decisions you can, I beg and implore you to please ask these questions to a physician. Preferably a family doctor that has privileges in a hospital and sees their own admitted patients. Not all doctors have a full grasp on the course of Covid unless they have followed their patients in the hospital setting from the very beginning of this pandemic. Please ask them what a “shot” vs a “vaccine” is. Ask all of the questions that may have come up from reading this post. I will not refute or point out the wealth of misinformation and lack of understanding of virology here but I beg you, for the health of yourselves and family and strangers you walk past in the supermarket(if you care) to ask these questions to an experienced physician that has followed the journey of Covid and the changing protocols and recommendations from the beginning. I don’t know what else to say. -ICU provider

Posted 9/27/21 3:41 PM
 

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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

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I feel the ethical responsibility to say this….to those who are reading this post and truly just trying to find your own information to make the best decisions you can, I beg and implore you to please ask these questions to a physician. Preferably a family doctor that has privileges in a hospital and sees their own admitted patients. Not all doctors have a full grasp on the course of Covid unless they have followed their patients in the hospital setting from the very beginning of this pandemic. Please ask them what a “shot” vs a “vaccine” is. Ask all of the questions that may have come up from reading this post. I will not refute or point out the wealth of misinformation and lack of understanding of virology here but I beg you, for the health of yourselves and family and strangers you walk past in the supermarket(if you care) to ask these questions to an experienced physician that has followed the journey of Covid and the changing protocols and recommendations from the beginning. I don’t know what else to say. -ICU provider



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Posted 9/27/21 3:59 PM
 

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NEW Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People

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Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by MrsWoods

“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”

“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”


Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.




At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.



From CDC website:

“Duration of Protection

People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”



“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.

Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.



What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are



I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Chat Icon
Amazing.



Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.

And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.

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