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NervousNell
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
This post confuses me though.
Right now my company is not mandating anything. So let's say I get laid off today due to a cost cutting layoff. Not because I'm not vaccinated, because the company has layoffs.
Can I get unemployment?
Is this no unemployment only if you are let go due to not following a company policy of getting vaccinated?
If you are let go for a cost cutting layoff, you can still get unemployment (well, there are other things like severance and whatnot that may impact that but, your vaccination status will not impact it).
The problem is that for most people they were working at these jobs, paying unemployment taxes, long before a covid vaccination mandate. It's truly unfair to say that you can't collect unemployment when the company changes a policy or puts a new policy in place and you are let go because of it. For example, if your company relocates to another city and you don't want to make the move, you qualify for unemployment. This has to be illegal.
That's what I was thinking too. Just like you pay into social security every check. Can they just say- oh guess what, you can't collect social security now! Ha ha tough shit
It's nonsense .
And the more people that see it and fight it, the better.
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Mrs213
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No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Where did you hear this?
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| Posted 10/12/21 6:40 PM |
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lpg21
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by NervousNell
Fuk this state. It's a shit hole and only getting worse.
Ever drive on the LIE lately?
Dump.
NY is a cesspool and when you look upon Cuomo as better than what we have now, you know it's bad.
Yup. We are leaving as soon as we can, in about 2.5 years. I am vaccinated, but this is all getting to be a little much. Like 2 year old babies being forced to wear masks all day in daycare.
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| Posted 10/15/21 7:21 PM |
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Christine2
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Technically the unemployed should be actively looking for work (which I think is clearly not happening because of the major labor shortage, but I digress).
If someone is unvaccinated, there are many positions that they are no longer eligible to work. Also, many may have lost their jobs due to being unvaccinated.
Furthermore, if you lose your job because of a mandate, the employer should not have to pay for your unemployment. It is unfair to the employer - mandate that they fire staff but then also pay for their unemployment.
Bottom line, it is someone's choice to refuse a vaccine, but as with everything in life there are consequences.
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| Posted 10/16/21 5:45 PM |
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MrsS2005
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:08 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:13 PM |
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lululu
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:17 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:24 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
Especially since most of the unvaccinated in these cases already had Covid - that is why they feel they dont need to be vaccinated.
The vast majority of them caught Covid while working during the pandemic - with very limited PPE. And alongside asymptomatic coworkers who were ordered in to work 
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:33 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54917 total posts
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
Especially since most of the unvaccinated in these cases already had Covid - that is why they feel they dont need to be vaccinated.
The vast majority of them caught Covid while working during the pandemic - with very limited PPE. And alongside asymptomatic coworkers who were ordered in to work
Honestly, cops have been leaving the NYPD in droves the last few years. Vesting out early, retiring the second they can. They have a HUGE problem recruiting.
But yeah, throw this in there now.
In a city that's already turning into a shit hole and with crime on the rise.
Best of luck!!!!!
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:42 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54917 total posts
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
Especially since most of the unvaccinated in these cases already had Covid - that is why they feel they dont need to be vaccinated.
The vast majority of them caught Covid while working during the pandemic - with very limited PPE. And alongside asymptomatic coworkers who were ordered in to work
Honestly, cops have been leaving the NYPD in droves the last few years. Vesting out early, retiring the second they can. They have a HUGE problem recruiting.
But yeah, throw this in there now.
In a city that's already turning into a shit hole and with crime on the rise.
Best of luck!!!!!
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| Posted 10/19/21 8:42 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
Especially since most of the unvaccinated in these cases already had Covid - that is why they feel they dont need to be vaccinated.
The vast majority of them caught Covid while working during the pandemic - with very limited PPE. And alongside asymptomatic coworkers who were ordered in to work
Honestly, cops have been leaving the NYPD in droves the last few years. Vesting out early, retiring the second they can. They have a HUGE problem recruiting.
But yeah, throw this in there now.
In a city that's already turning into a shit hole and with crime on the rise.
Best of luck!!!!!
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Yes - I know many who retired last year…
FDNY currently requires vaccines for new hires so it would only impact those who are active and were on the job before the pandemic. But they had a lot of retirements as well and have a lot of vacancies to fill already…
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| Posted 10/19/21 10:32 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54917 total posts
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
This morning they said the NYPD and NYFD would be allowed medical and religious exemptions if they could prove them.
How generous of them
Especially since most of the unvaccinated in these cases already had Covid - that is why they feel they dont need to be vaccinated.
The vast majority of them caught Covid while working during the pandemic - with very limited PPE. And alongside asymptomatic coworkers who were ordered in to work
Honestly, cops have been leaving the NYPD in droves the last few years. Vesting out early, retiring the second they can. They have a HUGE problem recruiting.
But yeah, throw this in there now.
In a city that's already turning into a shit hole and with crime on the rise.
Best of luck!!!!!
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Yes - I know many who retired last year…
FDNY currently requires vaccines for new hires so it would only impact those who are active and were on the job before the pandemic. But they had a lot of retirements as well and have a lot of vacancies to fill already…
And if someone doesn't want to get vaccinated they won't join up. So even harder to fill those vacancies you mention.
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MrsS2005
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Re: No unemployment benefits for unvaccinated New Yorkers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by FirstMate
Posted by blu6385
From what I understand it’s only for those who quit or get terminated cause they didn’t follow their jobs vaccine mandate.
From DOL
so if you are let go say for cutbacks at your job and you are not vaccinated you can still get unemployment
That has to be a form of discrimination. As a lawyer, I am very interested to see the cases that come out of this. This is awesome law school studies.
Yes. The ptoblem is that laws no longer matter. Nobody cares about laws - it is now all about executive orders and mandates and mob rule and propaganda and fear. You can break the law and no consequences. You can shoplift freely and no jail. You can discriminate all you want and are rewarded. This is the new America. This is what people wanted. And they got it.
From a legal standpoint, what’s the discrimination? Refusing a vaccine is not a protected class. I’m assuming employers are still allowing certain medical and religious exemptions as well.
If there is a vaccine mandate and someone is terminated for failing to follow the mandate, it can be considered misconduct depending on the state and could make someone ineligible for unemployment benefits. NY won’t be the only state denying unemployment benefits to those who fail to comply with their employer’s mandate.
I thought in NY there are no more religious exemptions to vaccines??
You might be thinking of schools not allowing them for students.
A federal judge issued an injunction the other day to prohibit health care employers from enforcing the vaccine mandate without giving consideration to religious exemptions. As long as religious exemptions are considered, it looks like the vaccine mandate is enforceable right now. A different federal judge denied a request for a preliminary injunction by teachers to stop enforcement of a mandate in part because religious exemptions were allowed to be considered by their employers.
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