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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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What happened to “my body my choice.”



This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others



So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?



No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time



Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.



Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Chat Icon Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.

A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places

ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.



Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.



But almost none of those other viruses have actually become a pandemic - because most are not so easily spread (Ebola for example)., so saying there was potential for them to become a pandemic is irrelevant. In the face of an actual pandemic, public health concerns often have to override personal choice. Not to mention that private companies have every right to mandate the vaccine, that you wear a purple shirt to work every day or anything they want as long as it’s not a protected class



“U’re saying ‘most’ are not easily spread”? Is that what u’re saying? Then u need to look more into how viruses work, how they can evolve through time, and their potential depending on how they change. “Override personal choice”? To what extent? To the point of completely dismiss someone’s concerns for vaccine risks that some want to minimize so badly? And what if someone falls victim to those risks? Who’s responsible? The manufacturers? Seems fair but that’s not the case. The government? Seems fair but that’s not the case either. The companies taking upon themselves to mandate that vaccine? Yes, that’s why I see a lot of lawsuits in the near future. And just to reiterate to previous comments, if u’re vaccinated, why the f*ck do u care? (generally speaking). Considering the majority are already vaccinated, that means they’re protected so public health concerns should not be a problem.




Exactly. Yes this was a pandemic but the virus has a 99% survival rate, 99%!! People are trying to force an experimental vaccine on those who are not comfortable for a virus with a 99% survival rate...doesn't that seem odd? The vaccine is brand spankin new with little to no research done on side effects and you want everyone to be OK with sticking out their arm and getting jabbed...I think TF not.

If you're vaccinated great, you believe in the vaccine, you're protected go about your life, mind your own business. The vaccine should be a choice not forced on anyone especially not at this early stage of development. I don't understand how people are not seeing how ludicrous this is!

To boot the vaccinated can still spread and catch the virus so they could potentially pose just as much risk as someone who is unvaccinated yet they still want to force everyone to get the vaccine. SMDH.

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Posted by itsbabytime
What happened to “my body my choice.”



This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others



So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?



No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time



Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.



Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Chat Icon Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.

A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places

ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.



Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.



But almost none of those other viruses have actually become a pandemic - because most are not so easily spread (Ebola for example)., so saying there was potential for them to become a pandemic is irrelevant. In the face of an actual pandemic, public health concerns often have to override personal choice. Not to mention that private companies have every right to mandate the vaccine, that you wear a purple shirt to work every day or anything they want as long as it’s not a protected class



“U’re saying ‘most’ are not easily spread”? Is that what u’re saying? Then u need to look more into how viruses work, how they can evolve through time, and their potential depending on how they change. “Override personal choice”? To what extent? To the point of completely dismiss someone’s concerns for vaccine risks that some want to minimize so badly? And what if someone falls victim to those risks? Who’s responsible? The manufacturers? Seems fair but that’s not the case. The government? Seems fair but that’s not the case either. The companies taking upon themselves to mandate that vaccine? Yes, that’s why I see a lot of lawsuits in the near future. And just to reiterate to previous comments, if u’re vaccinated, why the f*ck do u care? (generally speaking). Considering the majority are already vaccinated, that means they’re protected so public health concerns should not be a problem.




Exactly. Yes this was a pandemic but the virus has a 99% survival rate, 99%!! People are trying to force an experimental vaccine on those who are not comfortable for a virus with a 99% survival rate...doesn't that seem odd? The vaccine is brand spankin new with little to no research done on side effects and you want everyone to be OK with sticking out their arm and getting jabbed...I think TF not.

If you're vaccinated great, you believe in the vaccine, you're protected go about your life, mind your own business. The vaccine should be a choice not forced on anyone especially not at this early stage of development. I don't understand how people are not seeing how ludicrous this is!

To boot the vaccinated can still spread and catch the virus so they could potentially pose just as much risk as someone who is unvaccinated yet they still want to force everyone to get the vaccine. SMDH.



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Posted 6/23/21 7:04 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.

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Posted 6/23/21 8:04 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win

Posted 6/23/21 8:27 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.

Posted 6/23/21 8:39 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon

Posted 6/23/21 9:01 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

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I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?



I wouldn’t want to transmit anything to younger children/babies and at this point I’m not comfortable around people who aren’t vaccinated. Right now I still wear a mask when around people (unless they are fully vaxxed) or in public.

I’m only partially vax’d at this point. Will my opinion change in time ... Maybe? But right now, when thinking of returning to the office, I’d like to be able to feel 100% comfortable, especially if they are removing the remote work option. I don’t want to feel like I have to wear a mask because I’m not sure if people haven’t been vaccinated.



So once you are fully vaccinated you will remove your mask?



Not sure yet. Probably not for awhile.

I like people not breathing on me.

Plus I’ve developed a habit of making faces at people without them knowing, so I have to ease into things!

Posted 6/23/21 9:40 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon



Do you think if they mandated a vaccine to return to your job site, would that make you do it? I know someone like you (hates working from home, wants to go back) and they are finally getting it for that purpose. They didn’t want to get the vaccine and wanted to wait a lot longer but they are so ready to get back.

Posted 6/23/21 9:43 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by BFNY516

I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?



I wouldn’t want to transmit anything to younger children/babies and at this point I’m not comfortable around people who aren’t vaccinated. Right now I still wear a mask when around people (unless they are fully vaxxed) or in public.

I’m only partially vax’d at this point. Will my opinion change in time ... Maybe? But right now, when thinking of returning to the office, I’d like to be able to feel 100% comfortable, especially if they are removing the remote work option. I don’t want to feel like I have to wear a mask because I’m not sure if people haven’t been vaccinated.



So once you are fully vaccinated you will remove your mask?



Not sure yet. Probably not for awhile.

I like people not breathing on me.

Plus I’ve developed a habit of making faces at people without them knowing, so I have to ease into things!



I like THAT response lololol.

Posted 6/23/21 9:46 PM
 

NervousNell
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon



Do you think if they mandated a vaccine to return to your job site, would that make you do it? I know someone like you (hates working from home, wants to go back) and they are finally getting it for that purpose. They didn’t want to get the vaccine and wanted to wait a lot longer but they are so ready to get back.



Yeah, nope. I want to go back to the office, sure, but not enough to get a vaccine I am totally uncomfortable with.
If that were enough to sway me, then that would mean I wasn't very resolute in my feelings about it in the first place. Right now I have zero desire to get it and I doubt anything will sway me.
Luckily I don't have to worry about that because they have told us several times they want nothing to do with our vaccine status, don't want us to discuss it with anyone and have sent stern warnings against anyone discussing it.
They've opened a few out of state and an upstate office already with no vaccine requirements

Posted 6/23/21 9:50 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon



Do you think if they mandated a vaccine to return to your job site, would that make you do it? I know someone like you (hates working from home, wants to go back) and they are finally getting it for that purpose. They didn’t want to get the vaccine and wanted to wait a lot longer but they are so ready to get back.



Yeah, nope. I want to go back to the office, sure, but not enough to get a vaccine I am totally uncomfortable with.
If that were enough to sway me, then that would mean I wasn't very resolute in my feelings about it in the first place. Right now I have zero desire to get it and I doubt anything will sway me.
Luckily I don't have to worry about that because they have told us several times they want nothing to do with our vaccine status, don't want us to discuss it with anyone and have sent stern warnings against anyone discussing it.
They've opened a few out of state and an upstate office already with no vaccine requirements



I understand. It’s good you know that. Hopefully you’ll be able to get back soon. I know WFH can be grueling.

Posted 6/23/21 9:54 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon



Do you think if they mandated a vaccine to return to your job site, would that make you do it? I know someone like you (hates working from home, wants to go back) and they are finally getting it for that purpose. They didn’t want to get the vaccine and wanted to wait a lot longer but they are so ready to get back.



Yeah, nope. I want to go back to the office, sure, but not enough to get a vaccine I am totally uncomfortable with.
If that were enough to sway me, then that would mean I wasn't very resolute in my feelings about it in the first place. Right now I have zero desire to get it and I doubt anything will sway me.
Luckily I don't have to worry about that because they have told us several times they want nothing to do with our vaccine status, don't want us to discuss it with anyone and have sent stern warnings against anyone discussing it.
They've opened a few out of state and an upstate office already with no vaccine requirements



I had a customer tell me today I heard you are going back September 1st. I said, really? I haven’t been told anything yet lol.

Posted 6/23/21 10:10 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Ok so what about the employee that is forced to get the vaccine in order to return to work and ends up with some weird reaction to it and now they are out on disability for the foreseeable future until they are well again? Do they have the right to sue? And no this is not a hypothetical situation.

Posted 6/24/21 1:47 PM
 

chilltocam
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by RainyDay

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Ok so what about the employee that is forced to get the vaccine in order to return to work and ends up with some weird reaction to it and now they are out on disability for the foreseeable future until they are well again? Do they have the right to sue? And no this is not a hypothetical situation.



Do they have proof that the "reaction" was definitely caused by the vaccine?

Posted 6/24/21 1:50 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Oh yeah, I don't doubt it. I have a feeling that is why I'm still working from home 15 months later.
My company is very very risk adverse.
They won't require vaccines for fear of risk, but they won't let us in an office for fear of risk.
And this is why I'm stuck in my bedroom over a year later...Chat Icon



Do you think if they mandated a vaccine to return to your job site, would that make you do it? I know someone like you (hates working from home, wants to go back) and they are finally getting it for that purpose. They didn’t want to get the vaccine and wanted to wait a lot longer but they are so ready to get back.



Yeah, nope. I want to go back to the office, sure, but not enough to get a vaccine I am totally uncomfortable with.
If that were enough to sway me, then that would mean I wasn't very resolute in my feelings about it in the first place. Right now I have zero desire to get it and I doubt anything will sway me.
Luckily I don't have to worry about that because they have told us several times they want nothing to do with our vaccine status, don't want us to discuss it with anyone and have sent stern warnings against anyone discussing it.
They've opened a few out of state and an upstate office already with no vaccine requirements



I understand. It’s good you know that. Hopefully you’ll be able to get back soon. I know WFH can be grueling.



Thanks. Some people love it. I have suffered mentally really badly. My anxiety and depression are through the roof.
I really hope to get back soon, but our LI office had the lease up during this mess and we now have no office.
Hopefully they will rent a new one soon

Posted 6/24/21 2:59 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by RainyDay

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Ok so what about the employee that is forced to get the vaccine in order to return to work and ends up with some weird reaction to it and now they are out on disability for the foreseeable future until they are well again? Do they have the right to sue? And no this is not a hypothetical situation.



Sure, anyone has the right to sue for whatever they want provided they get a lawyer.

Posted 6/24/21 3:11 PM
 

lmcmcl
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Can’t get a true answer to this and why people who are fully vaccinated are still wearing masks.
They boast over this vaccine but then still walk around like it is March 2020.



I am vaccinated and wear my mask in stores and indoor settings.

My answer is: As long as there are people who are not vaccinated, this virus will likely mutate. It may mutate into a virus that my vaccine is not as effective.

I do not want to spread this to anyone who is not vaccinated or vulnerable.
I do not want to possibly be a host to a strain that will mutate into the next yet to be discovered variant.
I do not know that even if I end up with an asymptomatic case, that the virus is doing damage in my body. (There is a lot we don't know about the virus and I will concede, we don't know all there is to about the vaccine)
Masks don't bother me, so it I am much more comfortable wearing them.
For all you who say it is so nice to see people without their masks, smiling, you haven't seen me!
Believe me, I look much better with the mask on! Chat Icon

Message edited 6/24/2021 3:21:25 PM.

Posted 6/24/21 3:16 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by lmcmcl

Can’t get a true answer to this and why people who are fully vaccinated are still wearing masks.
They boast over this vaccine but then still walk around like it is March 2020.



I am vaccinated and wear my mask in stores and indoor settings.

My answer is: As long as there are people who are not vaccinated, this virus will likely mutate. It may mutate into a virus that my vaccine is not as effective.

I do not want to spread this to anyone who is not vaccinated or vulnerable.
I do not want to possibly be a host to a strain that will mutate into the next yet to be discovered variant.
I do not know that even if I end up with an asymptomatic case, that the virus is doing damage in my body. (There is a lot we don't know about the virus and I will concede, we don't know all there is to about the vaccine)
Masks don't bother me, so it I am much more comfortable wearing them.
For all you who say it is so nice to see people without their masks, smiling, you haven't seen me!
Believe me, I look much better with the mask on! Chat Icon




Awww no don’t say that lol. I did like when I had a zit and could cover it. Lol

Posted 6/24/21 3:39 PM
 

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Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

The CDC and OSHA say that if you are unvaccinated, you have to socially distance. Offices don’t have enough space for everyone to be back and to also socially distance. This could be part of the reason they want everyone vaccinated. They can get more people back in the office.

Posted 6/24/21 9:31 PM
 

windyweather21
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by Kate

The CDC and OSHA say that if you are unvaccinated, you have to socially distance. Offices don’t have enough space for everyone to be back and to also socially distance. This could be part of the reason they want everyone vaccinated. They can get more people back in the office.



Most offices I have heard you have to wear a mask no matter vaccinated or not in areas away from your desk. Vaccinated and unvaccinated people are together in crowds and numbers are very low. I am sure they will use this in offices and lift the masks soon no matter if you are vaccinated or not.
Makes no sense that you need to mask up and distance in the office but you are ok to be in crowds outside of work and that is ok.

Posted 6/24/21 9:37 PM
 

RainyDay
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by chilltocam

Posted by RainyDay

Posted by LuckyStar

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by soontobemommyof2

Posted by LuckyStar

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



I personally don’t engage in conversations with the intention to change someone’s mind. That shouldn’t be the goal and if it is, u shouldn’t engage with someone that has an opposite view than u because u’ll most likely lose before even starting, lol. It is nice having conversations with people that have different mentalities, I actually find them (at least a good amount of them), quite fulfilling and meaningful. I see them as an opportunity to exchange ideas, thoughts, perspectives, maybe I’ll be able to see something I missed, maybe they’ll provide me with a better understanding of someone’s thought process, etc, etc. Talking to someone with a different mentality doesn’t have to end up negatively, and if it starts going to that direction, it’s better to remove urself for ur own peace of mind lol!

Regarding suing a place because that person caught covid there, seems highly unlikely. I mean u literally can catch covid anywhere, taking a taxi, buying groceries, talking to ur friend while running errands, in gatherings, parties, work, restaurants, etc. It’s pretty impossible pinpointing a specific place where u unquestionably caught the virus. I mean if someone has an amazing, super skillful, and clever lawyer maybeeee? but it is extremely impossible to win a case like that, it has not happened with covid or with any other virus in the past as far as I know.



I always said that about lawsuits in regards to catching Covid somewhere....it's nearly impossible to prove where you caught a virus. It would be a very hard lawsuit to win



You can’t pinpoint where you catch it, but I have heard several liability issues arise when businesses consider lifting their own mask requirements. It might be dissipating at this point, but I have no doubt an employee who contracts COVID and works in an environment that doesn’t require masks or vaccines may very well sue for not properly protecting their employees.

I’m not at all saying I agree with these people, but this is a genuine fear among employers. Just trying to point out the flip side.



Ok so what about the employee that is forced to get the vaccine in order to return to work and ends up with some weird reaction to it and now they are out on disability for the foreseeable future until they are well again? Do they have the right to sue? And no this is not a hypothetical situation.



Do they have proof that the "reaction" was definitely caused by the vaccine?



And how does one actually prove that they got COVID at work? With people no longer socially distancing or wearing masks I find it would be extremely difficult to hold an emoyer responsible.

Posted 6/24/21 10:36 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Kate

The CDC and OSHA say that if you are unvaccinated, you have to socially distance. Offices don’t have enough space for everyone to be back and to also socially distance. This could be part of the reason they want everyone vaccinated. They can get more people back in the office.



Most offices I have heard you have to wear a mask no matter vaccinated or not in areas away from your desk. Vaccinated and unvaccinated people are together in crowds and numbers are very low. I am sure they will use this in offices and lift the masks soon no matter if you are vaccinated or not.
Makes no sense that you need to mask up and distance in the office but you are ok to be in crowds outside of work and that is ok.



Dh office gave up on the masks awhile ago.

Posted 6/24/21 10:37 PM
 

RainyDay
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by lmcmcl

Can’t get a true answer to this and why people who are fully vaccinated are still wearing masks.
They boast over this vaccine but then still walk around like it is March 2020.



I am vaccinated and wear my mask in stores and indoor settings.

My answer is: As long as there are people who are not vaccinated, this virus will likely mutate. It may mutate into a virus that my vaccine is not as effective.

I do not want to spread this to anyone who is not vaccinated or vulnerable.
I do not want to possibly be a host to a strain that will mutate into the next yet to be discovered variant.
I do not know that even if I end up with an asymptomatic case, that the virus is doing damage in my body. (There is a lot we don't know about the virus and I will concede, we don't know all there is to about the vaccine)
Masks don't bother me, so it I am much more comfortable wearing them.
For all you who say it is so nice to see people without their masks, smiling, you haven't seen me!
Believe me, I look much better with the mask on! Chat Icon



You do realize the likelihood of getting everyone to vaccinated will be extremely slim right? There will ALWAYS be someone not vaccinated.

Posted 6/24/21 10:39 PM
 

MrsS2005
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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by ali120206

Posted by BFNY516

From another article: Goldman Sachs said its employees in the United States would have to report their vaccination status. Other big Wall Street banks, including JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America, are encouraging workers to disclose their vaccination status voluntarily.



I work for a smaller company but we were asked to disclose our vaccination status and show our vaccine card if we were vaccinated. It kind of caught me off guard as I wasn't expecting that.



Voluntarily? What are they even doing with that info?
If it's mandatory to go to the office, I get it.
But if its up to you whether to disclose or not, and if you are free to say I'm not vaccinated, with no consequence , what's the end goal there?


I understand why employers want to track vaccination status because that likely impacts the decision on how to treat employees who are in close contact with someone who tests positive. If the co-workers are vaccinated, they can likely continue working as long as they aren’t exhibiting any symptoms. If someone is unvaccinated, he or she may be asked to work from home and/or quarantine until either testing negative or after a certain amount of time has passed since exposure.

I think a lot of these decisions are CYA. If one person tests positive and then a co-worker who had close contact tests positive, it’s recordable under OSHA. An employee may also try to file a claim under worker’s comp. Those types of cases are being litigated now. From a liability standpoint, the company is reducing its risk by only allowing vaccinated individuals to interact in person and at the same time not mandating the vaccine so any potential side effects would be due to a “voluntary” choice.

Posted 6/28/21 6:08 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by Sash

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Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Sash

Posted by BFNY516

Posted by tray831


So all unvaccinated employees will continue to work from home I assume or lose their job???



It says they’d have to stay remote.

As far as what vetting means - I think employees need to show proof of vaccination. Not sure about visitors.



Not every person can work remote. So cleaning service, maintenance people are forced to be vaccinated or lose their job.

I find this ridiculous and also agree about the client relations aspect of it.



LIF is full of spoiled women who have no clue there are other jobs but their high paying ones that are able to be done remotely Chat Icon



I wouldn't call it spoiled. Most if not all women who have those higher paying jobs busted their asses to get to where they are. And not all high paying jobs can be done remotely.



This, and also the assumption that LIF is *full* of spoiled women is a bit rich, excuse the pun.



Real talk, this isn't about being spoiled or a b!tch, but I do think it highlight the privilege, entitlement and inequities in our society. Majority of those workers are minorities and may be forced to take a vaccine and don't have the luxury to choose to stay home.

Regardless of your stance on the vaccine, people should find that very unfair.


As minorities, aren’t they also more likely to have serious complications and die from COVID? With those lower paying jobs, they may also not have health insurance and/or may live paycheck to paycheck. Contracting COVID could also have devastating effects on them financially. Obviously, it depends on your perspective, but getting the vaccine and working in an environment where everyone is vaccinated is more likely to protect them than harm them. I understand people are still reluctant to get the vaccine and don’t want to be forced into it, but they’re going to have to make a tough decision and weigh the benefits and risks.

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