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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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This is sickening beyond belief! Sure, let’s mandate everyone to get vaccinated and to show proof of vaccination if order for u to keep ur job and regardless of the choice every single of those people might want to have. U, individually don’t matter as long as u get vaccinated for a virus that has a higher chance of survival than the percentage these vaccines are promising for symptomatic illness. It’s crazy and mind blowing thinking this is happening in this country! And even more to see that people are totally ok with this. Wow! It’s frankly terrifying the time we’re leaving right now.



The fact that this is legal is mind blowing as well.



Yes! I hope they all get sued for liability if someone gets vaccine injured! If they have big cojones to mandate this vaccine to everyone then they should have big cojones to pay big money to anyone injured as well!

Posted 6/23/21 2:56 PM
 
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Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.

Posted 6/23/21 3:00 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.

Posted 6/23/21 3:07 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.



Exactly and people who dismiss this are the problem.

Im not against the vaccine but I am against forcing people to take it. And I feel like rules like this apply the pressure and force people into taking a vaccine they may not be ready for.

Posted 6/23/21 3:47 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by soontobemommyof2

This is sickening beyond belief! Sure, let’s mandate everyone to get vaccinated and to show proof of vaccination if order for u to keep ur job and regardless of the choice every single of those people might want to have. U, individually don’t matter as long as u get vaccinated for a virus that has a higher chance of survival than the percentage these vaccines are promising for symptomatic illness. It’s crazy and mind blowing thinking this is happening in this country! And even more to see that people are totally ok with this. Wow! It’s frankly terrifying the time we’re leaving right now.



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Posted 6/23/21 3:48 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.



Exactly and people who dismiss this are the problem.

Im not against the vaccine but I am against forcing people to take it. And I feel like rules like this apply the pressure and force people into taking a vaccine they may not be ready for.



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Posted 6/23/21 3:49 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.



Exactly and people who dismiss this are the problem.

Im not against the vaccine but I am against forcing people to take it. And I feel like rules like this apply the pressure and force people into taking a vaccine they may not be ready for.



Exactly. I want to take a vaccine because I have done my research and feel comfortable with it FOR ME after discussion with MY doctor
Not because my job is saying I need it to walk through the door.

Posted 6/23/21 4:04 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



That is not at all what anybody said - they were specifically writing about the cleaning staff of MORGAN STANLEY. I am not sure how you missed that.

Posted 6/23/21 4:17 PM
 

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Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.

Posted 6/23/21 4:27 PM
 

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I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



Why? If you are vaccinated it should not bother you if others are not. Does it bother you to go in public right now without a mask?

Posted 6/23/21 4:30 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by BFNY516

I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?

Posted 6/23/21 4:32 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by BFNY516

I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



This all makes total sense. I am surprised that they didn't wait for FDA approval. Does this mean they're not allowing kids into the building?

Posted 6/23/21 4:38 PM
 

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.



So all cleaning people are low income and unable to get a vaccine? There will probably hire vaccinated cleaning services to come and clean. It has nothing to do with race or income. Vaccines are available to all free of charge.

Reminding all that I disagree fully with their choice to only let vaccinated people into their building. It’s absurd.

Posted 6/23/21 4:44 PM
 

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Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.

Posted 6/23/21 4:45 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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This is sickening beyond belief! Sure, let’s mandate everyone to get vaccinated and to show proof of vaccination if order for u to keep ur job and regardless of the choice every single of those people might want to have. U, individually don’t matter as long as u get vaccinated for a virus that has a higher chance of survival than the percentage these vaccines are promising for symptomatic illness. It’s crazy and mind blowing thinking this is happening in this country! And even more to see that people are totally ok with this. Wow! It’s frankly terrifying the time we’re leaving right now.



The fact that this is legal is mind blowing as well.



Yes! I hope they all get sued for liability if someone gets vaccine injured! If they have big cojones to mandate this vaccine to everyone then they should have big cojones to pay big money to anyone injured as well!




NY is an "at will" state. You have the choice to work for the job you are at, and you have the choice to leave said job without any consequences owed to the employer. The employer also has the same rights to keep you or get rid of you based on any items they require for the job.

Vaccination status is not a protected class so employers can require it. You then have the choice to either get vaccinated, or find another job that does not require it. There is no liability on the employer's part for lawsuits because nobody is forcing employees to get the vaccine.

Posted 6/23/21 4:52 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?



I wouldn’t want to transmit anything to younger children/babies and at this point I’m not comfortable around people who aren’t vaccinated. Right now I still wear a mask when around people (unless they are fully vaxxed) or in public.

I’m only partially vax’d at this point. Will my opinion change in time ... Maybe? But right now, when thinking of returning to the office, I’d like to be able to feel 100% comfortable, especially if they are removing the remote work option. I don’t want to feel like I have to wear a mask because I’m not sure if people haven’t been vaccinated.

Posted 6/23/21 4:56 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?



Can’t get a true answer to this and why people who are fully vaccinated are still wearing masks.
They boast over this vaccine but then still walk around like it is March 2020.

Posted 6/23/21 4:58 PM
 

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Wait...a majority of Morgan Stanley employees are low income? How did this turn into "but what about the cleaning lady who can't work from home". This is about Morgan Stanley. And nobody is losing their job- they will work from home. I am not saying I agree with it, I don't agree. I may change my stance when it gets full FDA approval, but for now, no. But this has absolutely nothing to do with the low income workers who can't work from home. Morgan Stanley does not equal everyone in the state with a job.



No, but someone from the building will need to come in and clean their spaces. And it stands to reason that if they're not willing to let their own unvaccinated clients in, they'll require that whoever the building assigns to clean their space will require a vaccine. And Morgan Stanley is of course made up of more than just executives. I mean the mailroom guy can't exactly work remotely if he chooses not to vaccinate himself or the receptionist. I'm not saying these are LOW income jobs, but we're not just talking about the 1% affected by this here.

That being said, I'm not sure how I feel about it. I'm extremely pro vaccine, but I can't see this being a long term policy.



So all cleaning people are low income and unable to get a vaccine? There will probably hire vaccinated cleaning services to come and clean. It has nothing to do with race or income. Vaccines are available to all free of charge.

Reminding all that I disagree fully with their choice to only let vaccinated people into their building. It’s absurd.



Compared to what many at that company make, yep I am sure you would consider them low income.

Posted 6/23/21 4:59 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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Serious question- do any of you honestly think you are going to sway the other side in these arguments? We are all very much aware of who is and is not willing to get vaccinated. Nothing any one of us is going to say will change anyone’s mind.

I’m not surprised at all that employers are mandating this. For everyone saying this should be illegal, there are others who will sue if they get COVID at work. It’s a no win situation and a private company can stipulate whatever they want.



No and you are right. It is such brand new territory with so many implications. I wish none of us were in this position.

Posted 6/23/21 5:00 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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I see both sides and at first I was against the idea. During surveys it seems majority want them mandated. I thought about it more and if I have to go back into an office setting, I would feel more comfortable knowing everyone was vaccinated and be un-masked. I will say though that I’m still surprised employers are considering mandating it.



But your vaccine would protect you no? That's still not enough?
Like the example I used earlier with measles. I have no issue with my DD playing with children who haven't had the MMR or other vaccines- because she is protected by HER vaccines.
Why is this any different?



I wouldn’t want to transmit anything to younger children/babies and at this point I’m not comfortable around people who aren’t vaccinated. Right now I still wear a mask when around people (unless they are fully vaxxed) or in public.

I’m only partially vax’d at this point. Will my opinion change in time ... Maybe? But right now, when thinking of returning to the office, I’d like to be able to feel 100% comfortable, especially if they are removing the remote work option. I don’t want to feel like I have to wear a mask because I’m not sure if people haven’t been vaccinated.



So once you are fully vaccinated you will remove your mask?

Posted 6/23/21 5:01 PM
 

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What happened to “my body my choice.”



This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others



So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?



No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time



Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.



Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Chat Icon Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.

A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places

ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.



Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.



But almost none of those other viruses have actually become a pandemic - because most are not so easily spread (Ebola for example)., so saying there was potential for them to become a pandemic is irrelevant. In the face of an actual pandemic, public health concerns often have to override personal choice. Not to mention that private companies have every right to mandate the vaccine, that you wear a purple shirt to work every day or anything they want as long as it’s not a protected class

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Posted 6/23/21 5:06 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

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What happened to “my body my choice.”



This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others



So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?



No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time



Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.



Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Chat Icon Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.

A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places

ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.



Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.



But almost none of those other viruses have actually become a pandemic - because most are not so easily spread (Ebola for example)., so saying there was potential for them to become a pandemic is irrelevant. In the face of an actual pandemic, public health concerns often have to override personal choice. Not to mention that private companies have every right to mandate the vaccine, that you wear a purple shirt to work every day or anything they want as long as it’s not a protected class



U’re saying ‘“most’ are not easily spread”? Is that what u’re saying? Then u need to look more into how viruses work, how they can evolve through time, and their potential depending on how they change. “Override personal choice”? To what extent? To the point of completely dismissing someone’s concerns for vaccine risks that some want to minimize so badly? And what if someone falls victim to those risks? Who’s responsible? The manufacturers? Seems fair but that’s not the case. The government? Seems fair but that’s not the case either. The companies taking upon themselves to mandate that vaccine? Yes, that’s why I see a lot of lawsuits in the near future. And just to reiterate to previous comments, if u’re vaccinated, why the f*ck do u care? (generally speaking). Considering the majority are already vaccinated, that means they’re protected so public health concerns should not be a problem.

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Posted 6/23/21 6:06 PM
 

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Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

This sucks for people who have recovered from Covid and don’t want to take the vaccine because they already have the antibodies. My husband works for one of the big banks. They ask you for your vaccination status. If you don’t want to tell them, or if you’re not vaccinated, you have to wear a mask in the office.

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What happened to “my body my choice.”



This is a completely false analogy. You can't spread pregnancy. No one can catch it from you. Just like you can't smoke in public - because you can/will harm others - it is not your choice when you could cause illness to others



So why are no other vaccines mandatory in the work place as well as the flu shot?



No other illness has caused a P A N D E M I C - a GLOBAL health crisis that has killed MILLIONS pf people around the world in a relatively very short time



Any illness can cause death, unfortunately.



Really?!?!? Thanks for the update on that.
Chat Icon Many common illnesses do not cause death - many because a large percentage of the population is vaccinated against them, coupled with better treatment methods, developed over time, as scientists learn more about them.

A PANDEMIC has worldwide implications - on health, the economy, etc. and therefore, requires extraordinary measures. So, that is why other vaccines are not mandatory in most work places

ETA: Additionally, most illnesses do not completely overrun our healthcare system (although flu season in past years has put a tremendous strain on it). If you cannot get the healthcare you need because almost all resources are focused on one virus, that is a serious threat to our way of life.



Well any virus that has hit humanity for the first time has the potential of becoming a pandemic and killing a great amount of people. It has always been like that. It’s time and the natural immunity that develops over time (individually and collectively) what makes a new virus less dangerous and deadly. This has happened for millions of years, for as long as the human race has existed and not something new from less than 70 yrs ago with the creation of vaccines. People are afraid that covid can still cause what it caused at the beginning of all of this but in reality is that it won’t be the same. Deaths can still happen unfortunately, I’m not denying that but no where near to the degree from last year. We were even able to see some decrease towards the end of the year, before it was conveniently attributed to the vaccine.
Look, I 1000% respect each person’s choice but at the same time when we’re talking about this vaccine, the risks that come with it (short and long term), and arbitrarily mandating it to every person...that’s something that should concern every single one of us, no matter what side we’re on. It’s a very, very slippery slope that can affect us all and something that should never happen in this kind of country.



But almost none of those other viruses have actually become a pandemic - because most are not so easily spread (Ebola for example)., so saying there was potential for them to become a pandemic is irrelevant. In the face of an actual pandemic, public health concerns often have to override personal choice. Not to mention that private companies have every right to mandate the vaccine, that you wear a purple shirt to work every day or anything they want as long as it’s not a protected class



“U’re saying ‘most’ are not easily spread”? Is that what u’re saying? Then u need to look more into how viruses work, how they can evolve through time, and their potential depending on how they change. “Override personal choice”? To what extent? To the point of completely dismiss someone’s concerns for vaccine risks that some want to minimize so badly? And what if someone falls victim to those risks? Who’s responsible? The manufacturers? Seems fair but that’s not the case. The government? Seems fair but that’s not the case either. The companies taking upon themselves to mandate that vaccine? Yes, that’s why I see a lot of lawsuits in the near future. And just to reiterate to previous comments, if u’re vaccinated, why the f*ck do u care? (generally speaking). Considering the majority are already vaccinated, that means they’re protected so public health concerns should not be a problem.



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Posted 6/23/21 6:21 PM
 

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Re: Morgan Stanley plans to block unvaccinated employees and guests from entering its New York offices

Posted by Kate

This sucks for people who have recovered from Covid and don’t want to take the vaccine because they already have the antibodies. My husband works for one of the big banks. They ask you for your vaccination status. If you don’t want to tell them, or if you’re not vaccinated, you have to wear a mask in the office.



My husbands job is the same way. They try and push the vaccine so you don’t have to wear a mask but many are still wearing their masks everyday.

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