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Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.

Posted 3/13/19 10:54 AM
 
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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by amac27

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.



Well maybe if the laws were enforced like this, less people would be tempted to do this.
Looking the other way and saying, oh it's been happening forever, it's expected, doesn't make it right and doesn't make it fair to a hard working kid who doesn't have rich parents, but more importantly, has decent, moral parents, regardless of their wealth.
Let these people be the example. Maybe then we can crack down on it more.

Posted 3/13/19 10:57 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

There is a distinguishable difference between rich people making donations to the school to gain their child entrance versus what was done here. We can debate the morality of them both but that isn't what we are talking about here.

When there is a donation, it goes to the institution (presumably for its betterment which benefits all of its students) and there is transparency. There is nothing illegal about it. For argument's sake, it would not be shocking if we were to find out that the entire Bush family has attended the Bush School at Texas A&M, right? It would almost be expected.

This situation is totally different. This is cheating, fraud, bribery and unscrupulous. All of the admissions were based on lies. The schools were duped into admitting unqualified students. The ones who pretended to be on athletic teams are the most egregious to me. I'm not sure how those kids can be unaware of the falsities but I guess the kids who didn't know they were getting "help" on the SAT's could be in the dark. How embarrassing for them.

Posted 3/13/19 11:27 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by FirstMate

There is a distinguishable difference between rich people making donations to the school to gain their child entrance versus what was done here. We can debate the morality of them both but that isn't what we are talking about here.

When there is a donation, it goes to the institution (presumably for its betterment which benefits all of its students) and there is transparency. There is nothing illegal about it. For argument's sake, it would not be shocking if we were to find out that the entire Bush family has attended the Bush School at Texas A&M, right? It would almost be expected.

This situation is totally different. This is cheating, fraud, bribery and unscrupulous. All of the admissions were based on lies. The schools were duped into admitting unqualified students. The ones who pretended to be on athletic teams are the most egregious to me. I'm not sure how those kids can be unaware of the falsities but I guess the kids who didn't know they were getting "help" on the SAT's could be in the dark. How embarrassing for them.



I also heard on the news this morning that some were even faking disabilities to give themselves a better chance.
If that is true, that is just unconscionable.
I have zero respect for any of these people.

Posted 3/13/19 11:39 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

I just can't with the photoshopping of pics onto sports teams, pretending to row, I'm sorry but that's ridiculously hilarious Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

I think making a donation to get your kid into college is along similar lines to this, just not as crass as what happened here. Here's a bag of money, now accept my otherwise unqualified kid over that clearly qualified kid who happens to not have the connections. Sucks for that kid, but whatevs. It's just a more acceptable form of bribe. The only way I would personally see it as legit is if the kid was able to be accepted to that university on their own merits (not what gene pool lottery they were born into) and the donation wasn't contigent on the acceptance of that kid. If that's not the case then it's just another form of bribe, albeit a legal one.

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Posted 3/13/19 12:06 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

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Posted by amac27

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.



Well maybe if the laws were enforced like this, less people would be tempted to do this.
Looking the other way and saying, oh it's been happening forever, it's expected, doesn't make it right and doesn't make it fair to a hard working kid who doesn't have rich parents, but more importantly, has decent, moral parents, regardless of their wealth.
Let these people be the example. Maybe then we can crack down on it more.



I’m not saying it’s right but my take on it is how is it any different from someone who knows a cop so they get out of tickets and trouble etc. IMO that’s not anymore morally correct. How fair is it to the people who can’t afford tickets who work hard for their money and May have been in a rush got a ticket but Becuase there not related or know a cop they have to get a ticket while others don’t.
The point is things like this happen all the time every day in all aspects is it fair no? But that’s life.
Do I think maybe they should get a slap in the wrist sure. Pay fines wrc. Do I think they needed to be handcuffed gun point over what they did no. Do I think should go to prison for years absolutely not.

Posted 3/13/19 12:14 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by blu6385

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by amac27

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.



Well maybe if the laws were enforced like this, less people would be tempted to do this.
Looking the other way and saying, oh it's been happening forever, it's expected, doesn't make it right and doesn't make it fair to a hard working kid who doesn't have rich parents, but more importantly, has decent, moral parents, regardless of their wealth.
Let these people be the example. Maybe then we can crack down on it more.



I’m not saying it’s right but my take on it is how is it any different from someone who knows a cop so they get out of tickets and trouble etc. IMO that’s not anymore morally correct. How fair is it to the people who can’t afford tickets who work hard for their money and May have been in a rush got a ticket but Becuase there not related or know a cop they have to get a ticket while others don’t.
The point is things like this happen all the time every day in all aspects is it fair no? But that’s life.
Do I think maybe they should get a slap in the wrist sure. Pay fines wrc. Do I think they needed to be handcuffed gun point over what they did no. Do I think should go to prison for years absolutely not.



I think the thing that bothers me is that they took spots away from deserving candidates.
Someone getting out of a ticket doesn't mean the next person that is driving behind them will get that ticket instead.

Posted 3/13/19 12:22 PM
 

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I totally agree with you Nell, it's the other kids who lost out because of what these parents did.

Posted 3/13/19 1:53 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

While I couldn't agree more that their actions are morally reprehensible I am curious what law it is that was broken. I read charges were mail fraud. Does anyone have more info on how exactly the law was broken and what consequences are?

Posted 3/13/19 2:17 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

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While I couldn't agree more that their actions are morally reprehensible I am curious what law it is that was broken. I read charges were mail fraud. Does anyone have more info on how exactly the law was broken and what consequences are?





Here is a link to the charges


ETS: Weren't they being charged with bribery? Which is against the law.

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Posted 3/13/19 2:39 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

The comments about "this generation is screwed" makes me Chat Icon .. this has been happening for a long long time, it was just easily hidden. & on top of that, its the parents who encouraged this behavior.

CNN also brought up a great point:

"One of the most baffling things about this case, of course, is just how easy it is for rich people to get into elite colleges without fraud.

Most of the top-100 colleges and universities give a boost to legacy admissions, ensuring that first-generation college students start at a disadvantage. The Century Foundation calls it "affirmative action for the rich." Rich people can also enhance children's admission chances through donations, as many have suggested about presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner's acceptance to Harvard (and as representatives of the Kushner family have denied)."

Posted 3/13/19 2:42 PM
 

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Posted by amac27

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.



Well maybe if the laws were enforced like this, less people would be tempted to do this.
Looking the other way and saying, oh it's been happening forever, it's expected, doesn't make it right and doesn't make it fair to a hard working kid who doesn't have rich parents, but more importantly, has decent, moral parents, regardless of their wealth.
Let these people be the example. Maybe then we can crack down on it more.



I’m not saying it’s right but my take on it is how is it any different from someone who knows a cop so they get out of tickets and trouble etc. IMO that’s not anymore morally correct. How fair is it to the people who can’t afford tickets who work hard for their money and May have been in a rush got a ticket but Becuase there not related or know a cop they have to get a ticket while others don’t.
The point is things like this happen all the time every day in all aspects is it fair no? But that’s life.
Do I think maybe they should get a slap in the wrist sure. Pay fines wrc. Do I think they needed to be handcuffed gun point over what they did no. Do I think should go to prison for years absolutely not.



I don't think getting a speeding ticket is a fair comparison to what these people did. The person who used his police connections to get out of a speeding ticket is wrong, but so is the other person in your example who was speeding for whatever innocent reason but lacks the connection. Both were speeding and both broke the law regardless of reason. The qualified candidate without connections who got turned away at the expense of the spoiled undeserving kid did nothing wrong in this case.

And I still can't believe the extent of some of these parents to get their spoiled kids into school... photoshopping their kid onto a horse, putting a wig on some other kid to take the SATs so jr doesn't have to pick up an actual book and study and has more free time to eat tide pods.

Posted 3/13/19 3:02 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

I must be so naive. I had no idea this was going on.
I mean yeah I knew about making large donations directly to the school would help get your kid in.
But this level. Blatantly paying people off and the money not going to school. Paying people to take tests. Photoshopping your kids head onto the body of a real athlete. Nope no idea.

Posted 3/13/19 4:10 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by Eunyboo

The comments about "this generation is screwed" makes me Chat Icon .. this has been happening for a long long time, it was just easily hidden. & on top of that, its the parents who encouraged this behavior.

"



That was me and I was referring to the Instagram obsessed, 20 pounds of makeup wearing, vapid assholes who think you tube videos are life and college is for partying and the Kardashians are role models.
THAT hasn't been happening for a long long time.
Just the last 15 years or so

Posted 3/13/19 6:27 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.

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Posted 3/13/19 9:53 PM
 

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HUGE difference between a philanthropic gesture and racketeering.
Rich people have forever been donating wings and buildings and libraries and business schools to get their kids into the college. But it's documented, regulated and only an advantage when their kid does have academic merit (not necessarily up to the standards, but it's there)
There's usually the University board who approves this, along with a ribbon cutting for example. It's not fair! It has been happening for centuries. but it's legal.

Hush-hush bribes through a network of people who secretly accept $ for services falsifying documents and breaking federal/state laws? Not philanthropic. Not legal. and really grimy.

How rude, Aunt Becky

Posted 3/14/19 5:26 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by blu6385

Posted by NervousNell

Posted by amac27

Posted by blu6385

am i the only one who doesn't care and am not surprised.

i thought rich people always made donations to get their kids into school i guess what they did was past that?



Me! This has been happening forever. I am not excusing it and I get that it is morally wrong, but the fact that they were arrested at gunpoint is just a bit over the top.



Well maybe if the laws were enforced like this, less people would be tempted to do this.
Looking the other way and saying, oh it's been happening forever, it's expected, doesn't make it right and doesn't make it fair to a hard working kid who doesn't have rich parents, but more importantly, has decent, moral parents, regardless of their wealth.
Let these people be the example. Maybe then we can crack down on it more.



I’m not saying it’s right but my take on it is how is it any different from someone who knows a cop so they get out of tickets and trouble etc. IMO that’s not anymore morally correct. How fair is it to the people who can’t afford tickets who work hard for their money and May have been in a rush got a ticket but Becuase there not related or know a cop they have to get a ticket while others don’t.
The point is things like this happen all the time every day in all aspects is it fair no? But that’s life.
Do I think maybe they should get a slap in the wrist sure. Pay fines wrc. Do I think they needed to be handcuffed gun point over what they did no. Do I think should go to prison for years absolutely not.



totally different - they are not bribing the cop to get out of a ticket. Just an FYI - people who are related to cops get tickets. Cops use discretion when giving tickets - related or not you can try to get out of a ticket if it is not some erroneous thing you did and you are respectful.

Posted 3/14/19 9:36 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by MC09

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.



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Their real punishment would be if they had to pose for pictures without 25 lbs of make up on and then also no cosmetic fillers for 5 years. Chat Icon

And the comment about falling out of some rich asshole's golden twatt
I can't.
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Posted 3/14/19 10:04 AM
 

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Posted by MC09

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.



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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

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Posted by MC09

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.



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OMG YEEES! LOL This is sooo true.

Posted 3/14/19 4:10 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by MC09

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.



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Posted 3/15/19 9:30 AM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Posted by MC09

What pisses me off is that these spoiled entitled mofos can literally go anywhere, work anywhere, do anything, have any doors open to them just based on who their parents are and the connections they have. Nobody in their circle is going to say "oh no, sorry incredibly wealthy person, I wish we could but we can't hire your kid because he didn't go to Harvard!" Their kids can literally do nothing and skate by in life riding their parents' coat tails into oblivion. They can have DUI after DUI after drug arrest their whole lives and still be the little golden nugget that fell out of some rich asshole's golden twatt. But an honest hard working kid who worked their ass off their whole life to get there and happens to come from humble means, maybe even the first in his family to even go to college would get turned away so Lori Loughlin's kid can piss her opportunities away. Fukc these douchebags. I don't feel sorry for them getting hauled off at gun point. I hope they applied enough contour for their mugshots.



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I’ll add, I am not surprised. At all. Just like everyday folks are always trying to one up their neighbors, friends and families with material things- this is the one upper for celebrities. My daughter got Into Harvard, my son is president of “input something douchey”.

Not surprised even a little bit

Posted 3/15/19 9:32 AM
 

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It highlights inequalities all the way around.

It shows that they wanted their daughters to go to "good schools" even though their daughters had no intentions of using their education. Rather than support what their daughters want to do (even if influencing isn't my first career choice), they forced their kids into it and committed fraud to do so. It's a stunning commentary on the lack of parental understanding and committment to allowing your children to evolve, learn and become whole human beings without your personal agenda attached to it.

It shows that higher education is a crock of shitt. Fraud of this magnitude is undermining college degrees, along with the outrageous costs, to push more and more people away from higher education because of its exclusionary nature. We have seen academia turn into for-profit diploma mills, racketeering absurd sums of money for an education and piece of paper that in turn saddles the student with ungodly amounts of debt and shaky career prospects.

Posted 3/15/19 12:17 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

Latest news is that Lori Loughlin's daughters will not be returning to USC . Shocking.

Posted 3/15/19 2:02 PM
 

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Re: Lori Loughlin, best known for her role as Aunt Becky on "Full House," is among dozens charged in the "largest ever" college recruitment scam.

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Latest news is that Lori Loughlin's daughters will not be returning to USC . Shocking.



They should just make a sex tape like Kim K.
Problem solved.
Who needs college?

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