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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by blu6385
I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.
We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.
My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.
What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.
I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.
No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.
Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.
Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!
PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!
To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.
Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.
U are aware that countries like N Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Poland, and many others didn’t wake up one morning and realized they were living in a dictatorship type of country where Big Government was all that mattered and people needed to be submissive to it. They all had a beginning. Abuse of power happened small, little by little, and it took them years to get to full control. Some people left once they were able to realize what was happening, many stayed to fight it, and others were in denial and thought it’d never happen. Many people that have left those countries to live here can see what’s happening with this country. So yes, the US might not be like Venezuela (yet) but it’s surely on its way there. Give it a few more years, maybe a decade tops.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Posted by blu6385
I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.
We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.
My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.
What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.
I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.
No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.
Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.
Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!
PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!
To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.
Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.
U are aware that countries like N Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Poland, and many others didn’t wake up one morning and realized they were living in a dictatorship type of country where Big Government was all that mattered and people needed to be submissive to it. They all had a beginning. Abuse of power happened small, little by little, and it took them years to get to full control. Some people left once they were able to realize what was happening, many stayed to fight it, and others were in denial and thought it’d never happened. Many people that have left those countries to live here can see what’s happening with this country. So yes the US might not be like Venezuela (yet), it’s surely on its way there. Give it a few more years, maybe a decade tops.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Why do you care? People who are fine with these mandates and restrictions will never see our side. You will never understand it. Stop asking these questions because all that happens is a combative response of how we are wrong. These questions get asked but there is no empathy, understanding or being open minded. It’s becomes a pissing match of who is right and the most righteous.
Secondly, this vaccine is not like other Vaccines and has proven to fail at stopping the spread. To say we should be anti all vaccines because we are not on board with a rush to market shot that is ineffective on stopping this pandemic is stupid. This shot only protects one person. My niece is really sick with covid after getting her last shot in Dec. She didn’t get it from her unvaccinated cousin because I made sure to be responsible and keep him isolated. She got it from her vaccinated, boostered bf. This kid had three shots with in 6 months, caught covid and gave it to another vaccinated minor who is now sick. My unvaccinated kid was fine, strep was 100% worse for him. So I won’t stop believing in other vaccines just because this covid one doesn’t seem like a necessity for me.
It’s the same reason I don’t side with everything one political party stands for. Have we lost all critical thinking skills, logic and deductive reasoning?
They’re still trying to sell it as “the more people that vaccinate, the less it will spread”. “Safe and effective”. Same slogans that they use for their other vaccines.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Posted by Hofstra26
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
I feel the same way. It's disappointing to see how selfish so many people are.
Anyone who has gotten vaccinated is being selfish.. it only protects yourself. Everyone is selfish in their own way. People need to get a grip and stop being so judgmental. The selfishness isn’t the problem. Its the judgement, self-righteous behavior that’s the problem. That is the reason we are divided.
Thank you! Seems selfish to think you can go back to school and work after being exposed to Covid just because you got the vaccine.
Tha'ts what they are pushing
And now vaccinated people are spreading it around.
So selfish
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.
I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.
I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.
I agree with many points you both made.
I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.
Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.
You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.
I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged
There is nothing privileged about it.
The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.
Nobody's rights have been stripped away.
Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.
Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.
Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.
There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.
The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.
That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.
Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.
So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.
dic·ta·tor
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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.
You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.
Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.
We are lucky in Nj, Gov. Murphy is scared of the people. So I don’t think he is going to raise restrictions unless he wants a war on his hands. He’s weak without Cuomo. Lol.
“Scared of the people”. Funny but true! U guys have some brave people, parents included in NJ! I love it!
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Posted by Hofstra26
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
I feel the same way. It's disappointing to see how selfish so many people are.
Anyone who has gotten vaccinated is being selfish.. it only protects yourself. Everyone is selfish in their own way. People need to get a grip and stop being so judgmental. The selfishness isn’t the problem. Its the judgement, self-righteous behavior that’s the problem. That is the reason we are divided.
I agree - what exactly makes someone selfish? Ultimately everyone did what was best for themself and their family. What I wish is that people would stop being so JUDGEMENTAL. Worry about yourself and stop worrying about others - i.e. be selfish!
Could not agree more.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.
I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.
I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.
I agree with many points you both made.
I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.
Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.
I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.
Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.
You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.
I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged
There is nothing privileged about it.
The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.
Nobody's rights have been stripped away.
Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.
Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.
Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.
There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.
The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.
That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.
Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.
So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.
dic·ta·tor
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noun
a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force.
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We don't have dictators nor do we have a dictatorship in this country. That's fact. You might not agree with or like how some things are handled or some of the policies that are put into place but that doesn't make this country a dictatorship in any way.
You're entitled to disagree, that's fine, but by definition there is nothing taking place in this nation that would constitute a true dictatorship. Poor politics? $hit leaders? Absolutely. But still not dictators.
Holchol is not a dictator? Does she not have NY by the balls and is messing with anyone who tries to bring down her rules? Come on now. You live in NJ so your dictator is not so bad and is allowing a lot more freedom than NY…at least for now.
We are lucky in Nj, Gov. Murphy is scared of the people. So I don’t think he is going to raise restrictions unless he wants a war on his hands. He’s weak without Cuomo. Lol.
“Scared of the people”. Funny but true! U guys have some brave people, parents included in NJ! I love it!
Lol it is funny!
The summer of 2020 he was getting roasted on FB, he also had TV “office hours” where people would confront him on how and the state was going economically. Realizing it was an election year he started pulling away from What Cuomo was doing. He never reinstated masks after the vaccine. Only some mayors did for their towns. And when he shut down the seating at bars again, it was only for a few weeks. People started complaining. It was Right before election, so he opened them back up. I haven’t worn a mask inside stores or restaurants since last spring.
Now people are on him about masks in schools. He said as soon as federal lifts the mandate then he will for the schools. Which is what I believe led to that 3/7 date.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by blu6385
I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.
We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.
My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.
What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.
I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.
No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.
Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.
Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!
PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!
To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.
Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.
U are aware that countries like N Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Poland, and many others didn’t wake up one morning and realized they were living in a dictatorship type of country where Big Government was all that mattered and people needed to be submissive to it. They all had a beginning. Abuse of power happened small, little by little, and it took them years to get to full control. Some people left once they were able to realize what was happening, many stayed to fight it, and others were in denial and thought it’d never happen. Many people that have left those countries to live here can see what’s happening with this country. So yes, the US might not be like Venezuela (yet) but it’s surely on its way there. Give it a few more years, maybe a decade tops.
Yes, I definitely understand how it works.
No, I don't think this country is headed towards a dictatorship.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by blu6385
I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.
We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.
My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.
What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.
I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.
No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.
Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.
Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!
PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!
To your point, I think what gets lost in the argument about "oppressive government" is that mandates (health or otherwise) and laws are necessary and critical for society to function. Certainly one doesn't have to agree with everything but the reality is that sometimes we as a society need to do things that are for "the greater good". It's not always about us as the individual, society doesn't function that way.
Any and all mandates regarding COVID that were initially put into place were for the safety and protection of our society as a whole in an effort to mitigate and control this pandemic. As things change, so should the mandates. No question. But to continually call out this nation as being a dictatorship simply because one doesn't agree with things or doesn't like to be "told what to do" shows a lack of understanding of what a true dictatorship is. Nothing that's taken place in the last two years has remotely resembled a dictatorship unless you consider having to wear a small piece of cloth on your face the cruelest form of human oppression imaginable.
U are aware that countries like N Korea, China, Vietnam, Venezuela, Cuba, Poland, and many others didn’t wake up one morning and realized they were living in a dictatorship type of country where Big Government was all that mattered and people needed to be submissive to it. They all had a beginning. Abuse of power happened small, little by little, and it took them years to get to full control. Some people left once they were able to realize what was happening, many stayed to fight it, and others were in denial and thought it’d never happen. Many people that have left those countries to live here can see what’s happening with this country. So yes, the US might not be like Venezuela (yet) but it’s surely on its way there. Give it a few more years, maybe a decade tops.
I can see where you are with this. I have some of the same concerns and fears. I do not believe that CoVid mandates or mask mandates or vaccine mandates are what is going to cause the slow slide. I think the powers that be are using it and exploiting those as a distraction to what the real cause of our demise will be.
Our country has effectively established a ruling class. That ruling class is exploiting the working class. They want us up in arms about vaccines and mandates and CRT and crack pipes and making conservatives and liberals bad names and whatnot. Because if our energy is focused there and on each other - they are free to continue to establish systems for themselves. They continue to govern for their benefit and not their constitutes. They can continue to suck up market share and manipulate prices and then call it inflation. They can continue to not enforce laws that financial benefit them and they can continue to grow the amount of wealth they can control.
To me...that is the really scary part.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
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Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
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| Posted 2/10/22 12:48 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
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Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
OMG I was going to yesterday but thought, nah..I will just get attacked that how WRONG I am and that they are NOT giving crack pipes away 
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| Posted 2/10/22 12:53 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
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| Posted 2/10/22 12:53 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
“… After a wave of grossly misleading news coverage in February 2022, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services stipulated that federal funding would not be used to include pipes in safe smoking kits, as part of a substance abuse harm reduction grant program. This newly-stipulated detail was not originally available, meaning the assertions made in a first wave of coverage had become outdated.” The entire bill is available online for review
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
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| Posted 2/10/22 12:57 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
“… After a wave of grossly misleading news coverage in February 2022, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services stipulated that federal funding would not be used to include pipes in safe smoking kits, as part of a substance abuse harm reduction grant program. This newly-stipulated detail was not originally available, meaning the assertions made in a first wave of coverage had become outdated.” The entire bill is available online for review
Ahhh well that's good to know.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
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| Posted 2/10/22 12:59 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.
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| Posted 2/10/22 1:03 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.
I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.
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| Posted 2/10/22 1:12 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.
Besides it is not true. And even it was, there is nothing wrong with harm reduction.
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| Posted 2/10/22 3:30 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by ali120206
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.
I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.
Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.
I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.
Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.
1. Answer me to what?
2. So you were ok coming off snarky to me? 
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| Posted 2/10/22 4:16 PM |
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lululu
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
Yes, what I read yesterday was the they were included also.
"They" - Jen Psaki for the White House lol.
They should be the Dept of Health and Human Services. These things are much like methadone clinics and clean needle programs.
I was stating my source which was an article citing Jen Psaki on behalf of the White House.
Sorry - I was meant to answer Windy. I didn't mean to come off snarky to you.
1. Answer me to what?
2. So you were ok coming off snarky to me?
Ha I think she meant answer to me. Maybe she will take back her snark now.
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| Posted 2/10/22 4:55 PM |
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Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Since we are talking about being selfish, can anyone let me know the website where I can get my free crack pipe and heroin syringe? TIA
My SIL just mentioned this. I was hoping she was joking. Maybe someone should start a thread with a link.
They say the safe smoking program doesn't include crack pipes. They do have syringes though and other things to help stop drug use - like naxolone and fentanyl test strips.
Who is they? I just read this (not sure how trustworthy Daily Mail is):
According to the Daily Mail, a spokesperson for HHS said these kits will include pipes for users to smoke crack cocaine and crystal methamphetamine. The crack pipe kits will also “limit the risk of infection – typically users smoke out of glass pipes which can lead to cuts and sores that become infected,” the outlet writes.
The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.
Besides it is not true. And even it was, there is nothing wrong with harm reduction.
Because I do not need my tax dollars being spent on crack pipes for addicts. That’s where I draw the line. Drug treatment programs yes. Crack pipes to prevent infections no. Perhaps some open sores will help them achieve rock bottom sooner.
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