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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I actually thought the prosecutions closing argument was terrible. The whole state of Minnesota and that's the best they could do? That guy was terrible. I didn't watch the rest of the trial but I hope he did better than he did today.
I predict a hung jury.
I agree with you lululu. He didn’t do any better today in my opinion.
Hung jury .. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised. I view this verdict to be one of the most important and defining of our lifetimes.
I think they might be hung on the murder charge but they will get manslaughter. I can't imagine with all the press surrounding this case that any jury could truly be impartial though. Jurors know what's at stake here and they will convict on something.
Maybe. But jurors let Casey Anthony off the hook so who knows.
Yes but the Casey Anthony case only affected Casey Anthony. There were not going to be protests or civil unrest by finding her innocent. There's much more at stake here.
Jury should be making their decision based on the info presented during trial, not on the likelihood of protests , etc.
Yes they absolutely should but I don't see how you can be completely impartial in a trial like this no matter how hard you try. Frankly I would also fear for my safety if I was a juror finding him innocent. But, with the video it would be very difficult for someone to say that he was following police protocol and he was not responsible at all. At the very least there were mitigating factors that he was unaware of but he had plenty of time to get off Floyd's neck. At most it was completely his fault and he committed murder.
Really hoping he's found guilty of murder. 
I'm hoping he's found guilty of the crime that he actually committed, whether it's murder or manslaughter.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I actually thought the prosecutions closing argument was terrible. The whole state of Minnesota and that's the best they could do? That guy was terrible. I didn't watch the rest of the trial but I hope he did better than he did today.
I predict a hung jury.
I agree with you lululu. He didn’t do any better today in my opinion.
Hung jury .. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised. I view this verdict to be one of the most important and defining of our lifetimes.
I think they might be hung on the murder charge but they will get manslaughter. I can't imagine with all the press surrounding this case that any jury could truly be impartial though. Jurors know what's at stake here and they will convict on something.
Maybe. But jurors let Casey Anthony off the hook so who knows.
Yes but the Casey Anthony case only affected Casey Anthony. There were not going to be protests or civil unrest by finding her innocent. There's much more at stake here.
Jury should be making their decision based on the info presented during trial, not on the likelihood of protests , etc.
Yes they absolutely should but I don't see how you can be completely impartial in a trial like this no matter how hard you try. Frankly I would also fear for my safety if I was a juror finding him innocent. But, with the video it would be very difficult for someone to say that he was following police protocol and he was not responsible at all. At the very least there were mitigating factors that he was unaware of but he had plenty of time to get off Floyd's neck. At most it was completely his fault and he committed murder.
I totally agree and personally I would hope they do find him guilty. I just don't think that they should be basing their decision on whether their verdict will start riots, etc. Because what message does that send about our judicial system?
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I actually thought the prosecutions closing argument was terrible. The whole state of Minnesota and that's the best they could do? That guy was terrible. I didn't watch the rest of the trial but I hope he did better than he did today.
I predict a hung jury.
I agree with you lululu. He didn’t do any better today in my opinion.
Hung jury .. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised. I view this verdict to be one of the most important and defining of our lifetimes.
I think they might be hung on the murder charge but they will get manslaughter. I can't imagine with all the press surrounding this case that any jury could truly be impartial though. Jurors know what's at stake here and they will convict on something.
Maybe. But jurors let Casey Anthony off the hook so who knows.
Yes but the Casey Anthony case only affected Casey Anthony. There were not going to be protests or civil unrest by finding her innocent. There's much more at stake here.
Jury should be making their decision based on the info presented during trial, not on the likelihood of protests , etc.
Yes they absolutely should but I don't see how you can be completely impartial in a trial like this no matter how hard you try. Frankly I would also fear for my safety if I was a juror finding him innocent. But, with the video it would be very difficult for someone to say that he was following police protocol and he was not responsible at all. At the very least there were mitigating factors that he was unaware of but he had plenty of time to get off Floyd's neck. At most it was completely his fault and he committed murder.
I totally agree and personally I would hope they do find him guilty. I just don't think that they should be basing their decision on whether their verdict will start riots, etc. Because what message does that send about our judicial system?
To this point, I’d bring up the reverse:
What does it say about our judicial system with past trials (similar to this case) if people have to protest/riot in response?
The climate is anger and frustration from years of injustice, even before Rodney King and the riots in 1992.
Not bringing this up to argue your point, just to add a new angle.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I actually thought the prosecutions closing argument was terrible. The whole state of Minnesota and that's the best they could do? That guy was terrible. I didn't watch the rest of the trial but I hope he did better than he did today.
I predict a hung jury.
I agree with you lululu. He didn’t do any better today in my opinion.
Hung jury .. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised. I view this verdict to be one of the most important and defining of our lifetimes.
I think they might be hung on the murder charge but they will get manslaughter. I can't imagine with all the press surrounding this case that any jury could truly be impartial though. Jurors know what's at stake here and they will convict on something.
Maybe. But jurors let Casey Anthony off the hook so who knows.
Yes but the Casey Anthony case only affected Casey Anthony. There were not going to be protests or civil unrest by finding her innocent. There's much more at stake here.
Jury should be making their decision based on the info presented during trial, not on the likelihood of protests , etc.
Yes they absolutely should but I don't see how you can be completely impartial in a trial like this no matter how hard you try. Frankly I would also fear for my safety if I was a juror finding him innocent. But, with the video it would be very difficult for someone to say that he was following police protocol and he was not responsible at all. At the very least there were mitigating factors that he was unaware of but he had plenty of time to get off Floyd's neck. At most it was completely his fault and he committed murder.
I totally agree and personally I would hope they do find him guilty. I just don't think that they should be basing their decision on whether their verdict will start riots, etc. Because what message does that send about our judicial system?
To this point, I’d bring up the reverse:
What does it say about our judicial system with past trials (similar to this case) if people have to protest/riot in response?
The climate is anger and frustration from years of injustice, even before Rodney King and the riots in 1992.
Not bringing this up to argue your point, just to add a new angle.[/QUOTE
Verdicts should be reached through due process-not mob rule. Period.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I actually thought the prosecutions closing argument was terrible. The whole state of Minnesota and that's the best they could do? That guy was terrible. I didn't watch the rest of the trial but I hope he did better than he did today.
I predict a hung jury.
I agree with you lululu. He didn’t do any better today in my opinion.
Hung jury .. I hope not but I wouldn’t be surprised. I view this verdict to be one of the most important and defining of our lifetimes.
I think they might be hung on the murder charge but they will get manslaughter. I can't imagine with all the press surrounding this case that any jury could truly be impartial though. Jurors know what's at stake here and they will convict on something.
Maybe. But jurors let Casey Anthony off the hook so who knows.
Yes but the Casey Anthony case only affected Casey Anthony. There were not going to be protests or civil unrest by finding her innocent. There's much more at stake here.
Jury should be making their decision based on the info presented during trial, not on the likelihood of protests , etc.
Yes they absolutely should but I don't see how you can be completely impartial in a trial like this no matter how hard you try. Frankly I would also fear for my safety if I was a juror finding him innocent. But, with the video it would be very difficult for someone to say that he was following police protocol and he was not responsible at all. At the very least there were mitigating factors that he was unaware of but he had plenty of time to get off Floyd's neck. At most it was completely his fault and he committed murder.
I totally agree and personally I would hope they do find him guilty. I just don't think that they should be basing their decision on whether their verdict will start riots, etc. Because what message does that send about our judicial system?
To this point, I’d bring up the reverse:
What does it say about our judicial system with past trials (similar to this case) if people have to protest/riot in response?
The climate is anger and frustration from years of injustice, even before Rodney King and the riots in 1992.
Not bringing this up to argue your point, just to add a new angle.[/QUOTE
Verdicts should be reached through due process-not mob rule. Period.
True and what is the purpose to loot and destroy businesses? None so maybe we shouldn’t just let comments like Maxine’s Waters just get lost in all of this.
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Derek Chauvin case
I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I think that the OJ verdict stopped massive riots.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I agree with your statement about rioting. It's unfortunate, but rioting brings about social reforms that would otherwise not be so.
That is why war is violent and destructive.
If asking nicely worked, that would not be a part of our history.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I think that the OJ verdict stopped massive riots.
I see that as different thorough, because it was a domestic homicide. It wasn’t police/use of force versus a citizen, KWIM?
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I agree with your statement about rioting. It's unfortunate, but rioting brings about social reforms that would otherwise not be so.
That is why war is violent and destructive.
If asking nicely worked, that would not be a part of our history.
Agreed. We bomb other places and kill innocent children in the name of progress but get ruffled at bricks thrown through the window of a Starbucks. Not that either is what I’d like to see happen, but it makes me think.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I agree with your statement about rioting. It's unfortunate, but rioting brings about social reforms that would otherwise not be so.
That is why war is violent and destructive.
If asking nicely worked, that would not be a part of our history.
Sorry but rioting never brings anything good or positive but gives more ammunition to those that thrive in violence and also make divisions even wider. Bringing awareness starting with our own nuclear family and outwards, along with making changes and adjustments in our lives, in our mentality, becoming active in whatever we want to accomplish, choosing better political candidates and hold them accountable for their actions and promises, these are the things that can make substantial changes without jeopardizing the lives of innocent people.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I agree with your statement about rioting. It's unfortunate, but rioting brings about social reforms that would otherwise not be so.
That is why war is violent and destructive.
If asking nicely worked, that would not be a part of our history.
Sorry but rioting never brings anything good or positive but gives more ammunition to those that thrive in violence and also make divisions even wider. Bringing awareness starting with our own nuclear family and outwards, along with making changes and adjustments in our lives, in our mentality, becoming active in whatever we want to accomplish, choosing better political candidates and hold them accountable for their actions and promises, these are the things that can make substantial changes without jeopardizing the lives of innocent people.
I disagree.
Tar and feathering British tax collectors.
The Boston Tea Party
People riot because they have not been heard. Their voices have been ignored. That is why riots happen.
Rioting doesn't alway work and we can see that in Hong Kong.
We saw that in the Capitol riots.
Real social change does not just start with a nuclear family.
ETA: For those that don't hold power, starting at home isn't' going to change that. There is a long history in the USA of ways to make sure power stays with a selected few. Gerrymandering. Even the electoral college is a way to make sure that power can be skewed from the masses.
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To me, rioting is a symptom of social unrest and injustice; not the cause of such.
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To me, rioting is a symptom of social unrest and injustice; not the cause of such.
 that’s what I was trying to convey earlier about the responses to verdicts. You said it much better.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
I also think that focusing on the rioting or possible riots is deflecting us from looking at the incredible increase in gun violence in the US. The US has seen at least 147 mass shootings in 2021, according to data from the GVA, a non-profit based in Washington.
That is scary along with so much resistance to real gun reform.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I agree RomeyT with your statement. But I can’t think of any time a verdict was reached that ever appeased (for lack of a better word) a mob. It would seem to me that the mobs are due in part to a continued lack of justice/lesser verdicts.
I agree with your statement about rioting. It's unfortunate, but rioting brings about social reforms that would otherwise not be so.
That is why war is violent and destructive.
If asking nicely worked, that would not be a part of our history.
Sorry but rioting never brings anything good or positive but gives more ammunition to those that thrive in violence and also make divisions even wider. Bringing awareness starting with our own nuclear family and outwards, along with making changes and adjustments in our lives, in our mentality, becoming active in whatever we want to accomplish, choosing better political candidates and hold them accountable for their actions and promises, these are the things that can make substantial changes without jeopardizing the lives of innocent people.
I agree. Especially about those who thrive in violence. I don't think that bringing violence and hurting others is going to undo what Derek Chauvin has done, no matter what he gets charged with.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I also think that focusing on the rioting or possible riots is deflecting us from looking at the incredible increase in gun violence in the US. The US has seen at least 147 mass shootings in 2021, according to data from the GVA, a non-profit based in Washington.
That is scary along with so much resistance to real gun reform.
What’s scary is that people don’t see the connection between rising gun violence and the attitude to abolish the police.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I also think that focusing on the rioting or possible riots is deflecting us from looking at the incredible increase in gun violence in the US. The US has seen at least 147 mass shootings in 2021, according to data from the GVA, a non-profit based in Washington.
That is scary along with so much resistance to real gun reform.
What’s scary is that people don’t see the connection between rising gun violence and the attitude to abolish the police.
I don't believe there is any correlation between the two.
I also don't believe that people are looking to abolish police.
Police reform has to do with adding services and removing social services that had been in the hands of the police to better civil servants for that job. For example, why are the truancy officers in parts of NYC, NYPD. NYPD should not handle truancy for the most part.
Meaningful police reform would make a PO job, safer. It would provide POs with more resources and better resources.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I also think that focusing on the rioting or possible riots is deflecting us from looking at the incredible increase in gun violence in the US. The US has seen at least 147 mass shootings in 2021, according to data from the GVA, a non-profit based in Washington.
That is scary along with so much resistance to real gun reform.
What’s scary is that people don’t see the connection between rising gun violence and the attitude to abolish the police.
My guess is there would be a correlation between gun violence and the widening gap in income.
There is probably also a correlation between gun violence and spending cuts for social programs/health programs.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
I just don't understand rioting. I think that rioting is a bunch of a** holes just trying to get free sh*t. There have been plenty of successful movements that did not require riots. Women's rights and gay rights to name a couple. I think that riots completely detract from a movement and to make excuses as if it's the only way is ridiculous.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I just don't understand rioting. I think that rioting is a bunch of a** holes just trying to get free sh*t. There have been plenty of successful movements that did not require riots. Women's rights and gay rights to name a couple. I think that riots completely detract from a movement and to make excuses as if it's the only way is ridiculous.
I think so too.
We shall see what happens shortly as a verdict was reached.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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I just don't understand rioting. I think that rioting is a bunch of a** holes just trying to get free sh*t. There have been plenty of successful movements that did not require riots. Women's rights and gay rights to name a couple. I think that riots completely detract from a movement and to make excuses as if it's the only way is ridiculous.
Stonewall Inn
White Night Riots
The Women's March on Verrsailles sparked the French Revolution.
The Women's Suffrage movement was riddled with violence here and abroad.
ETA: I don't know why anyone is surprised that protest against brutality involve violence in some fashion. Even if that "violence" is a display of unrest.
A riot is a disturbance of peace which some times needs to happen when "you" feel oppressed and violated by the brutality put upon your group.
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Re: Derek Chauvin case
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Posted by lululu
I just don't understand rioting. I think that rioting is a bunch of a** holes just trying to get free sh*t. There have been plenty of successful movements that did not require riots. Women's rights and gay rights to name a couple. I think that riots completely detract from a movement and to make excuses as if it's the only way is ridiculous.
Stonewall Inn
White Night Riots
The Women's March on Verrsailles sparked the French Revolution.
The Women's Suffrage movement was riddled with violence here and abroad.
ETA: I don't know why anyone is surprised that protest against brutality involve violence in some fashion. Even if that "violence" is a display of unrest.
A riot is a disturbance of peace which some times needs to happen when "you" feel oppressed and violated by the brutality put upon your group.
Yes!
So many examples.
The truth is our curriculum has, for years, been cherry picked to be deemed palatable and omit a lot of the ugly parts that really brought about change.
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