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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Honestly, at this point, I feel really...I don't what the word is...sad? Disgusted? that Dr. Pepper just doubles down on her vitriol. But that's her right. I guess what actually disheartens me is that this way of thinking is what trickles down to children and how they grow up with such misinformed ways of thinking. The vicious cycle just repeats itself.
Why are you picking on me for what I feel strongly about? You don’t have to like it. You’re the one who’s nasty and angry. I’ll always speak up for the unborn, too bad if you don’t want to hear it. You’re perceiving some attack on you that doesn’t exist.
I don't want to speak for mrsrainbow, but I think it's because in your original post, you made it seem like people were now able to have abortions for sport. And when people told you that that's not really what's happening, you still rolled with it.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by StaceyWill
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Honestly, at this point, I feel really...I don't what the word is...sad? Disgusted? that Dr. Pepper just doubles down on her vitriol. But that's her right. I guess what actually disheartens me is that this way of thinking is what trickles down to children and how they grow up with such misinformed ways of thinking. The vicious cycle just repeats itself.
Why are you picking on me for what I feel strongly about? You don’t have to like it. You’re the one who’s nasty and angry. I’ll always speak up for the unborn, too bad if you don’t want to hear it. You’re perceiving some attack on you that doesn’t exist.
I don't want to speak for mrsrainbow, but I think it's because in your original post, you made it seem like people were now able to have abortions for sport. And when people told you that that's not really what's happening, you still rolled with it.
I don't think anyone is having abortions for sport. However the term "health" is not further defined and this could be construed to mean mental health as well. This law is just broad enough, just vague enough, to allow a doctor to legally perform a late term abortion for a mother who simply changes her mind.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ChilisWife
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Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
No, not if the fetus dies but if the fetus is alive but not viable to live outside the womb.
A separate issue, but I don't see inducing labor when the fetus has passed as an abortion.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
The situation you describe is a stillborn birth not an abortion...
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ChilisWife
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Yes above 2 posters you are correct - not an abortion in those circumstances but my point was that they were not made to carry the baby another 6-8 weeks.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
Truth. This happened to my brother and sister in law. They lost a baby at 30 weeks. And they had to wait to deliver the baby. It was effn torture. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
Truth. This happened to my brother and sister in law. They lost a baby at 30 weeks. And they had to wait to deliver the baby. It was effn torture. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
A friend of mine went through IVF, her babies were incredibly wanted. She was pregnant with twins and unfortunately she had a placental abruption with a 30 week loss. She still needed an abortion. Keeping those babies inside of her would have killed her. It devastated her. I would never wish that pain on anyone. This law helps women like her and if anyone thinks this is anything other than helping women in their absolute time of need, well I am sorry that you have been fooled by bad and evil people.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LSP2005
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
Truth. This happened to my brother and sister in law. They lost a baby at 30 weeks. And they had to wait to deliver the baby. It was effn torture. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
A friend of mine went through IVF, her babies were incredibly wanted. She was pregnant with twins and unfortunately she had a placental abruption with a 30 week loss. She still needed an abortion. Keeping those babies inside of her would have killed her. It devastated her. I would never wish that pain on anyone. This law helps women like her and if anyone thinks this is anything other than helping women in their absolute time of need, well I am sorry that you have been fooled by bad and evil people.
Stillbirths are not considered abortion..my Mother had a stillborn baby boy 38 years ago and even back then they induced her right away after they verified that the baby died so she could deliver. I highly doubt that anyone in this day and age would have to walk around pregnant with a dead baby in their womb. As a matter of fact I believe that keeping a pregnancy that no longer has a heartbeat in a womb for that long is medically dangerous so I don't think this new law is changing anything in that aspect.
Quite frankly it's frightening and so sad to me that now someone can have an abortion up to 9 months. Health is loosely defined and what's to say someone's mental health could be considered a reason for a late term abortion. Also why would anyone try to abort a baby for mothers health reasons after 24 weeks?? At that point viability is totally possible so why not just deliver?? I know this because my cousin had a pregnancy that was threatened. 24 weeks was her goal because at that point if they had to deliver, the chances the baby would be viable were good. Unfortunately for her she wasn't able to make it that far and lost her baby.
And honestly with all the technology and scans we have available today, most issues where a pregnancy is not viable are found out way before the 24 weeks. This whole law just reeks to me.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
What if a mother finds out at 28 weeks her baby had severe genetic disorder or brain damage and wanted to choose abortion because of the quality of life the child would have...
What if a mother finds out at 30 weeks she has an agressive cancer that needs treatment that will negatively affect her unbirn child and if she does not do the treatment she will die.
I think these are the scenarios foe which the law exists, not people who abruptly change their minds a week or 2 before delivering....
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
I very much want to know why so many think that a mother's physical health should be taken into consideration but mental health should be completely disregarded.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by Mrs213
What if a mother finds out at 28 weeks her baby had severe genetic disorder or brain damage and wanted to choose abortion because of the quality of life the child would have...
What if a mother finds out at 30 weeks she has an agressive cancer that needs treatment that will negatively affect her unbirn child and if she does not do the treatment she will die.
I think these are the scenarios foe which the law exists, not people who abruptly change their minds a week or 2 before delivering....
28 weeks and 30 weeks are perfectly viable stages in a pregnancy. I have friends who have delivered at those times and have healthy babies...so why not just deliver early?? Why abort??
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LuckyStar
I very much want to know why so many think that a mother's physical health should be taken into consideration but mental health should be completely disregarded.
Because mental health issues can be treated during the pregnancy. I dont see any mental health emergency that would place the mother or baby at immediate risk of harm. Unless the mother is threatening suicide or something
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by Mrs213
What if a mother finds out at 28 weeks her baby had severe genetic disorder or brain damage and wanted to choose abortion because of the quality of life the child would have...
What if a mother finds out at 30 weeks she has an agressive cancer that needs treatment that will negatively affect her unbirn child and if she does not do the treatment she will die.
I think these are the scenarios foe which the law exists, not people who abruptly change their minds a week or 2 before delivering....
28 weeks and 30 weeks are perfectly viable stages in a pregnancy. I have friends who have delivered at those times and have healthy babies...so why not just deliver early?? Why abort??
What about the quality of life for the baby? Giving birth to a baby who would be on life support essentially ? Why not let parent choose if they want to abort then... also no guarantee a baby would survive being born that early
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by LSP2005
Posted by Jacksmommy
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by ChilisWife
The issue I have with this is that I do not understand how a 38 week old "fetus" could be treated so differently than a one day old baby.
If you are 38 weeks pregnant and a drunk driver hits you and you lose the baby, then can that driver be charged with murder or not? Does this depend on whether or not the mother "wanted" the baby?
I understand that this new law supposedly only lets you abort if the "health or life" of the mother is at risk, however what I do not understand is why the 38 week pregnant mother is going to die unless she gets an abortion. Can they not instead just deliver the baby early?
Many people are saying "you can't force someone to be a mother" and I don't entirely disagree but what happens when that mother does not want to be a mother a few days AFTER the baby is born?
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Honestly, I can't think of a good reason a 38 week old fetus would be aborted. However, what if the mom is 32 weeks pregnant with a non viable fetus? Then it's it okay for her to have that choice? Imo, people's health and situations are so varied so why should the law make some line in the sand for all women? Let it be between a woman and her doctor.
Are you saying that if a fetus dies in the womb at 32 weeks, then before this law, the woman had to carry that fetus until whenever natural delivery occurred? Well then maybe doctors are doing illegal things because I personally know 2 people that this happened to in the third trimester and they were given a drug to induce labor within a day - essentially an abortion.
Truth. This happened to my brother and sister in law. They lost a baby at 30 weeks. And they had to wait to deliver the baby. It was effn torture. I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
A friend of mine went through IVF, her babies were incredibly wanted. She was pregnant with twins and unfortunately she had a placental abruption with a 30 week loss. She still needed an abortion. Keeping those babies inside of her would have killed her. It devastated her. I would never wish that pain on anyone. This law helps women like her and if anyone thinks this is anything other than helping women in their absolute time of need, well I am sorry that you have been fooled by bad and evil people.
Stillbirths are not considered abortion..my Mother had a stillborn baby boy 38 years ago and even back then they induced her right away after they verified that the baby died so she could deliver. I highly doubt that anyone in this day and age would have to walk around pregnant with a dead baby in their womb. As a matter of fact I believe that keeping a pregnancy that no longer has a heartbeat in a womb for that long is medically dangerous so I don't think this new law is changing anything in that aspect.
Quite frankly it's frightening and so sad to me that now someone can have an abortion up to 9 months. Health is loosely defined and what's to say someone's mental health could be considered a reason for a late term abortion. Also why would anyone try to abort a baby for mothers health reasons after 24 weeks?? At that point viability is totally possible so why not just deliver?? I know this because my cousin had a pregnancy that was threatened. 24 weeks was her goal because at that point if they had to deliver, the chances the baby would be viable were good. Unfortunately for her she wasn't able to make it that far and lost her baby.
And honestly with all the technology and scans we have available today, most issues where a pregnancy is not viable are found out way before the 24 weeks. This whole law just reeks to me.
The thing is, they were fine until they were not. They still had heart beats, but the doctors knew that the abruption would kill the mom. The babies were nutrient deprived too long. It sucked. So she should be forced to care for brain damaged twins for the rest of their lives? They had minimal brain activity. It was gut wrenching and terrible, but you would make her deliver those kids. Who would pay for their care? They would have no quality of life and hooked up to machines. It would have been living hell. I find that to be just torture and cannot understand how someone would be ok with that.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Honestly, at this point, I feel really...I don't what the word is...sad? Disgusted? that Dr. Pepper just doubles down on her vitriol. But that's her right. I guess what actually disheartens me is that this way of thinking is what trickles down to children and how they grow up with such misinformed ways of thinking. The vicious cycle just repeats itself.
Why are you picking on me for what I feel strongly about? You don’t have to like it. You’re the one who’s nasty and angry. I’ll always speak up for the unborn, too bad if you don’t want to hear it. You’re perceiving some attack on you that doesn’t exist.
You are grossly misunderstanding tone. There is no nasty attack. I think you should reread your hysterical first post. If you could hear me speaking in real life my tone and intent is completely calm. I am in no way picking on you. This is called discussion.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
People just need to read the text of the law.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by Mrs213
What if a mother finds out at 28 weeks her baby had severe genetic disorder or brain damage and wanted to choose abortion because of the quality of life the child would have...
What if a mother finds out at 30 weeks she has an agressive cancer that needs treatment that will negatively affect her unbirn child and if she does not do the treatment she will die.
I think these are the scenarios foe which the law exists, not people who abruptly change their minds a week or 2 before delivering....
28 weeks and 30 weeks are perfectly viable stages in a pregnancy. I have friends who have delivered at those times and have healthy babies...so why not just deliver early?? Why abort??
What about the quality of life for the baby? Giving birth to a baby who would be on life support essentially ? Why not let parent choose if they want to abort then... also no guarantee a baby would survive being born that early
At 28 and 30 weeks babies are more than viable.Sure they may need to stay in the NICU for some time but most come home healthy. So you think someone should abort a baby who has an 80 percent or more chance of survival? The riskiest preemies are the ones born 24 weeks and prior and having an abortion up until that time is already legal.
This is from a health website:
Health Outcomes for 28-Week Old Preemies. Survival rates for infants born at 28 weeks gestation is between 80-90 percent. Babies born at 28 weeks old only have a 10 percent chance of having long-term health problems.
Being pregnant is risky. Babies can suffer brain damage from traumatic full term births..what do you suggest we do then?
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
IF IT'S NOT YOUR WOMB, IT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS.
This is a huge victory for women and, for that matter, their doctors who can now make private decisions about private matters.
Tired of hearing about the proverbial bananas that have nothing to do with this law. Your cousin, your sister in law's sister, your twelfth cousin once removed... whatever they experienced has NO bearing on this law and whether it is just because ALL it does is cement choice.
Not directed at anyone in particular but if you call yourself pro life you had better also be very against the wall, pro taking in a LOT more refugees, pro Medicaid expansion, etc. etc.
Crickets. I didn't think so.
We need to change the language here - it's not pro life. It's pro fetus.
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People are so worried about the definition of health. How about you leave that up to medical professionals to determine, instead of speculating about why abortion would be needed. Just trust that there are situations that occur where abortion should be considered as an option and that medical professionals and women can be trusted to make the decision based on the facts, instead of judging a law based on your speculative what ifs.
This law isn't changing that much except giving women who are in a VERY hard position an option to make a hard decision with their doctor, and not forcing them to fly across the country when their health may already be at risk to get the necessary medical procedure. If you are honestly interested in learning why late term abortion happens, read about people's actual experiences with it. Here is an interview with a woman who got a late term abortion at 32 weeks: Interview
And here is a follow article in the New Yorker about the change in the law: Article
An excerpt:
"A law that governs abortion by examining a woman’s reasons for having one carries an implicit suggestion that there are objectively correct choices in pregnancy, choices that can be ascertained and judged by the body politic. But a woman who receives dire news about her fetus might do any number of things. She might choose to enter perinatal hospice, for instance, a model of care for parents who continue pregnancies when the baby’s life is expected to be brief. A woman whose pregnancy puts her in serious and immediate danger—from her own body, from her partner—might choose to continue her pregnancy and risk her own life. “What if your doctor says that the baby will live ten days?” Kimport told me. “What if there’s a five-per-cent chance that it will live to five years? How do you make sense of that? How do you codify this decision-making in a law that is supposed to apply to everyone?”
“It becomes very complicated when you say that the law decides whether a reason for abortion is valid or invalid,” Kimport went on. “But when you let patients decide about abortion it’s much, much simpler in the end.”
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| Posted 1/24/19 8:36 AM |
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Momma2015
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ChilisWife
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
Personally, I think people should have access to euthanasia, to die with dignity, and can eat/drink/smoke their way to death for all I care. The only issue I think should be pressed is the vaccination issue and that's because it DOESN'T just affect your own body. Others who cannot be vaccinated can be affected by your choice not to vaccinate.
But that's a whole different issue than on here.
Reading more about the RHA, I agree with it. It's hard to get around those sensational headlines and the pandering to religious/right wing groups that women are going out in droves to have abortions on their due date which is ludicrous to me, but reading the actual text and the facts of the bill, I stand by it. I am 30 weeks pregnant and if I went to my next doctor's appointment and there was no heartbeat or they told me my son would live a short, painful life before he died, I would want to terminate. Even though this baby is VERY wanted and VERY planned. And I'm glad that with this bill I'd have that option.
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| Posted 1/24/19 8:40 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ChilisWife
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
I don't believe anyone should tell you what to do with your body in ANY circumstance. I don't believe in outlawing sugary sodas, etc. Eat what you want. It's your business.
I also believe in the right to die how you want to die.
the only possible exception would be vaccines because those affect the health of other people around you.
But anything you want to do to yourself- have at it.
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| Posted 1/24/19 8:58 AM |
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mrsrainbow
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ChilisWife
We say "my body, my choice" but for some reason that only seems to be true about abortion because when it comes to vaccinations, euthanasia, and even drinking large sugary sodas, the same people yelling "my body my choice" are yelling "your body, and my decision on what you must do with it" and that seems to be okay.
I don't believe anyone should tell you what to do with your body in ANY circumstance. I don't believe in outlawing sugary sodas, etc. Eat what you want. It's your business.
I also believe in the right to die how you want to die.
the only possible exception would be vaccines because those affect the health of other people around you.
But anything you want to do to yourself- have at it.
People start to care when it comes to where the tax dollars are being spent, IMO.
That's why I'm a socialist - I don't belive in the 2 party system - and I truly don't care about my tax dollars being spent on abortion funding (I care about other issues like school to prison pipeline).
Message edited 1/24/2019 9:15:20 AM.
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| Posted 1/24/19 9:13 AM |
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LSP2005
Are you a dr, nurse practitioner, or midwife? No, so you will not have to perform these procedures. Yes, then guess what, you still don't have to do it. Just because you don't like something does not the law make. No one is making you get an abortion. No one is making you perform an abortion. Literally, this is not your body.
If you break your arm, should you get it reset? It was an accident, but was it g-d's will you got hirt?
If your husband is impotent, is it g-d's will you can no longer have intercourse?
If you have diabetes, should you take synthetic insulin? Or is it g-d's will you die?
While your grandmother may have shamed you, I am glad she was not mine. Life is not black and white.FWIW, I have never had an abortion, but will defend your right to have one.
Word for m-f-ing word!!!!
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| Posted 1/24/19 10:06 AM |
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eroxgirl
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Why do people read this law and think it means that a woman MUST HAVE AN ABORTION if there is anything wrong with their child at x number of weeks?
Why are we assuming that a doctor would recommend termination for a baby with an 80 percent chance of survival??? Who would do that? That's not even ethical! I mean come on with the crazy talk!
When I was pregnant with my DS, one sonogram came back with an elevated marker for spina bifida. Probably around 20-24 weeks, now that I think about it. Anyway, my doctor called and told me I could have an amnio to find out for sure, but the risk was whatever it was (he threw numbers at me, I'm not a math girl, I was panicked). He said based on the numbers it was probably not necessary - and we're talking an amnio here, certainly not termination. Doctors just don't do what people are imagining they do.
That's not what this is about, not at all! It's about CHOICE. It's about being faced with horrible, painful, gut wrenching choices and choosing the less painful one for a woman and her family. It's not about murdering babies. It's not about not trying. It's about CHOICE that we each hope and pray we never have to make.
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