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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
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Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
But this law doesn't allow JUST ANYONE OR ANYTHING to to get/use abortion as an excuse. You are twisting the RHA to fit your belief that people are going around for 7-8 months and then aborting their babies on a whim AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Stop your fearmongering. The RHA is to allow reproductive control for women in extreme cases where they did not have control before. Women who did not have reproductive justice (think of legal cases where women were raped and legally forced to carry the baby to term because the rapist was given more legal right than the mother). The scope was extremely narrow. If you're so horrified get off the internet. But stop your baiting or go find somewhere else to troll. No one is falling for it.
Oh, and you wanna be more horrified? I had an abortion just because I was young and didn't want a baby.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
I am not saying that at all. I am saying that shady doctor's doing late term abortions for no good reason have nothing to do with this law.
If they are shady and doing it for money, they were doing it long before this law passed, trust me. We can ban abortion completely and there will still be doctor's who will perform them.
This new law will not make it any easier for them.
Oh this reminds me... I highly recommend, if you haven’t already(not just you, I mean anybody), seeing the documentary “Gosnell” that came out I think last year... it goes into a lot & it’s VERY eye opening & really worth the watch, no matter what your bias is. I’m sure there will be people who aren’t affected... but it’s something important. I think many people don’t even have a clue who he is. Check it out if you’re so inclined. It’s truly an eye opener, such an interesting movie. I’d love to hear what anyone has thought about it.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
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Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
But this law doesn't allow JUST ANYONE OR ANYTHING to to get/use abortion as an excuse. You are twisting the RHA to fit your belief that people are going around for 7-8 months and then aborting their babies on a whim AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Stop your fearmongering. The RHA is to allow reproductive control for women in extreme cases where they did not have control before. Women who did not have reproductive justice (think of legal cases where women were raped and legally forced to carry the baby to term because the rapist was given more legal right than the mother). The scope was extremely narrow. If you're so horrified get off the internet. But stop your baiting or go find somewhere else to troll. No one is falling for it.
Oh, and you wanna be more horrified? I had an abortion just because I was young and didn't want a baby.
Relax. I’m talking about ALL laws and why we need them.
I’m not horrified by your abortion.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by NervousNell
Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
But this law doesn't allow JUST ANYONE OR ANYTHING to to get/use abortion as an excuse. You are twisting the RHA to fit your belief that people are going around for 7-8 months and then aborting their babies on a whim AND THAT IS NOT THE CASE. Stop your fearmongering. The RHA is to allow reproductive control for women in extreme cases where they did not have control before. Women who did not have reproductive justice (think of legal cases where women were raped and legally forced to carry the baby to term because the rapist was given more legal right than the mother). The scope was extremely narrow. If you're so horrified get off the internet. But stop your baiting or go find somewhere else to troll. No one is falling for it.
Oh, and you wanna be more horrified? I had an abortion just because I was young and didn't want a baby.
Relax. I’m talking about ALL laws and why we need them.
I’m not horrified by your abortion.
Stop gaslighting. You can go be horrified somewhere else.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
Stop gaslighting. You can go be horrified somewhere else.
If you don’t like the thread, leave and don’t come back.... no one’s forcing you to stay here. I’m not going to engage with you further. The rest of us can discuss maturely, if anyone has something to add... you’re purposely derailing it & being defensive... Stop.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
I'm pro-choice, but I do get what some of the PPs are saying. Like anything, there will always be people that take advantage of laws.
I don't know though, it got me thinking that if a woman is mentally unstable enough to get a late-term abortion for no reason, maybe that baby is just better off. Like who knows what hell the mother would put the unwanted baby through if she was forced to deliver it. I don't know, the whole thing makes me sick to think about.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
RHA does not allow any women to just get a "late-term abortion for no reason." After 24 weeks, an abortion would be allowed ONLY if it is to save the mother's life or if the baby would not survive after childbirth. Those are 2 VERY SPECIFIC cases.
Unfortunately, there are people putting inaccurate information out there.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NYCGirl80
RHA does not allow any women to just get a "late-term abortion for no reason." After 24 weeks, an abortion would be allowed ONLY if it is to save the mother's life or if the baby would not survive after childbirth. Those are 2 VERY SPECIFIC cases.
Unfortunately, there are people putting inaccurate information out there.
Because it serves their agenda.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
The number of women who are, say, 30 weeks pregnant and all of a sudden decide “nah, nm” are basically zero. However, the hoops women have to jump through to get these abortions this late in the game are disgusting. Can you imagine finding out your very wanted child won’t live more than a few hours and will suffer upon birth and then have to deal with all this red tape? I can’t.
Why can’t we trust women to make their own decisions? Why does everyone jump to the worst case scenario? What kind of sick thoughts do you have yourselves that you think all these women are straight up murdering viable fetuses?
The world is not black and white.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
My SIL had to go to Colorado to get an abortion at 29 weeks. The baby had severe medical issues that were discovered late.
I cannot even explain the anguish this caused her. They chose to abort, as to not go through the pain of delivery and then losing the baby within a few hours or days. She had to go out of state and had to pay a lot of money to have it done this way.
To say that people are just going to decide at 29 weeks that they want an abortion and a doctor is going to do this is so wrong-thinking.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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My SIL had to go to Colorado to get an abortion at 29 weeks. The baby's brain didn't develop and the baby would have had no chance at survival for more than a few days.
Yes, this happens all the time. Society treats these women like murderers. No compassion and zero ability to see beyond their own agenda.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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My SIL had to go to Colorado to get an abortion at 29 weeks. The baby's brain didn't develop and the baby would have had no chance at survival for more than a few days.
Yes, this happens all the time. Society treats these women like murderers. No compassion and zero ability to see beyond their own agenda.
Because in their minds everything is black and white.
ABORTION=MURDER.
Period. No exceptions. No if's/ands/or buts
I wonder what it's like to live in such a world...
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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This is literally the hypothetical diabetic with a banana and I'm over it.
At the end of the day, a man in Congress and a doctor shouldn't have more sat over my body than me.
There are a hundred scenarios where abortions may be needed to save the life of the mother due to other illnesses, other children, etc.
Don't believe in it, fine, but don't come on a public board freaking out. Just don't ever get one. But don't tell other women they can't. Period.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
Even if you are horrified by the fact alone that a person who beats a pregnant woman and the baby dies will face no charges... there was a current case of this exact thing on ch 2 news last night and the woman who lost her baby was talking about it and is fighting it... that alone is concerning enough to be horrified.
This legislation removes the criminal penalty for ABORTION, not for homicide which are two legally distinct acts. A Doctor can no longer be criminally charged for performing an abortion, instead abortion is regulated under public health laws.
There is no fetal homicide law in NY, and there never has been. This law is not changing that fact. You're basically confirming that in your example. Currently, in NY state a person cannot be charged for fetal homicide. This guy can be charged with the assault of the woman, so he should be facing charges for that criminal act.
Everything you've posted about this law seems to be inaccurate and full of hyperbole in an attempt to make your point.
NY is making it easier to have an abortion and to get access to birth control. Good for them, because those decisions should be between a woman and her doctor, and women shouldn't be forced to carry non-viable children to term if they can't afford the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to get a late term abortion in another state.
While your Cuomo quote is unsubstantiated, who cares if he said it. Abortion should be accessible to all, not just those who can afford it.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NYCGirl80
RHA does not allow any women to just get a "late-term abortion for no reason." After 24 weeks, an abortion would be allowed ONLY if it is to save the mother's life or if the baby would not survive after childbirth. Those are 2 VERY SPECIFIC cases.
Unfortunately, there are people putting inaccurate information out there.
Ok, I see. Just to clarify, by "for no reason" I was referring to a PPs assumption that women would be able to use any reason (under the guise of mental health) to basically find a doctor to give the OK for a late term abortion. So, I was just saying anyone sick enough to actually do that, really shouldn't have a baby anyway.
After reading about the law, it seems like this is a good thing.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
I’m not going to weigh in on the pro-life / pro-choice debate. That’s not important and there is a bit of gibberish here.
The Supreme Court is changing and NY is getting its ducks in a row if that should happen. The previous law (1970) was outdated in NY. Actually it was three years before the RvW ruling.
The language in the OP is appalling. I don’t need to hear about ripped up limbs, etc. God forbid anyone is in a certain situation which requires this, then good luck.
Read up OP. Get your facts straight.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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RHA does not allow any women to just get a "late-term abortion for no reason." After 24 weeks, an abortion would be allowed ONLY if it is to save the mother's life or if the baby would not survive after childbirth. Those are 2 VERY SPECIFIC cases.
Unfortunately, there are people putting inaccurate information out there.
Ok, I see. Just to clarify, by "for no reason" I was referring to a PPs assumption that women would be able to use any reason (under the guise of mental health) to basically find a doctor to give the OK for a late term abortion. So, I was just saying anyone sick enough to actually do that, really shouldn't have a baby anyway.
After reading about the law, it seems like this is a good thing.
I work as an attorney for a large hospital. I can tell you that (at least where I work), no one could just "find a Dr" to give them a late term abortion. The organization I work for (administration and medical personnel) takes all legal/health related maters VERY seriously. The law is not creating any kind of "wild west" scenario where suddenly women are going to be aborting late term pregnancies every other day. As has been pointed out above, there will always be rogue practitioners in any field. BUT, there are VERY VERY few (if even any) Drs who would use this law to suddenly provide late term abortions where there is no medical reason.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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This legislation removes the criminal penalty for ABORTION, not for homicide which are two legally distinct acts. A Doctor can no longer be criminally charged for performing an abortion, instead abortion is regulated under public health laws.
There is no fetal homicide law in NY, and there never has been. This law is not changing that fact. You're basically confirming that in your example. Currently, in NY state a person cannot be charged for fetal homicide. This guy can be charged with the assault of the woman, so he should be facing charges for that.
That’s too bad that there’s never been a fetal homicide law in NY. So if I’m taking the subway tonight and someone punches me in the abdomen, my baby dies as a result but I’m not injured, he’d just be charged with a simple assault with no repercussions for killing my child? Wow. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised, sounds like the kind of craziness that would fly here.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
OH gosh, I don't know what kind of propaganda you gullible people are falling for but you are sharing and promoting and misconstruing facts. This law conforms to row v wade. You are not going to just find a doctor to perform an eight month abortion for no reason. This is for women who end up having cancer, or the baby is malformed and dying inside of her like the case in Ireland where a woman died because she could not get an abortion. Seriously, I worry for how gullible some of you are.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LSP2005
OH gosh, I don't know what kind of propaganda you gullible people are falling for but you are sharing and promoting and misconstruing facts. This law conforms to row v wade. You are not going to just find a doctor to perform an eight month abortion for no reason. This is for women who end up having cancer, or the baby is malformed and dying inside of her like the case in Ireland where a woman died because she could not get an abortion. Seriously, I worry for how gullible some of you are.
Exactly!
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I work as an attorney for a large hospital. I can tell you that (at least where I work), no one could just "find a Dr" to give them a late term abortion. The organization I work for (administration and medical personnel) takes all legal/health related maters VERY seriously. The law is not creating any kind of "wild west" scenario where suddenly women are going to be aborting late term pregnancies every other day. As has been pointed out above, there will always be rogue practitioners in any field. BUT, there are VERY VERY few (if even any) Drs who would use this law to suddenly provide late term abortions where there is no medical reason.
Well, that’s a positive I suppose... I hope this holds true in the long term. Thanks for your input!
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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OH gosh, I don't know what kind of propaganda you gullible people are falling for but you are sharing and promoting and misconstruing facts. This law conforms to row v wade. You are not going to just find a doctor to perform an eight month abortion for no reason. This is for women who end up having cancer, or the baby is malformed and dying inside of her like the case in Ireland where a woman died because she could not get an abortion. Seriously, I worry for how gullible some of you are.
Exactly!
No we're just the cuckoo ones
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LSP2005
OH gosh, I don't know what kind of propaganda you gullible people are falling for but you are sharing and promoting and misconstruing facts. This law conforms to row v wade. You are not going to just find a doctor to perform an eight month abortion for no reason. This is for women who end up having cancer, or the baby is malformed and dying inside of her like the case in Ireland where a woman died because she could not get an abortion. Seriously, I worry for how gullible some of you are.
Well said.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Because it serves their agenda.
It truly amazes me & saddens me that being pro life is considered an “agenda” that needs to be stopped and should be bullied as I’ve seen a few times in this thread... now I’m going off topic here by referring to the VERY vast majority of abortions that take place early & are for the woman’s convenience, no medical reasoning involved... NOT referring at all to the the rarer tragic ones where the baby will not survive.... why NOT empower women to feel that they CAN do it, show them they can give their child the gift of life & rather than ruining their own life, it can actually fulfill their own life.. why not GIVE them the resources & whatever they need to do it successfully... or help them lovingly place their child for adoption... rather than jumping right to abortion rights... this seems much more “pro woman” to me. This is what I hope for in supporting pro life organizations such as Bridge to Life. I think a lot of women have abortions because they feel there’s no other option... and many do regret and think “what if?” What’s so bad about showing them a sonogram with their baby’s heartbeat to make them realize there’s a life there & they have the power to nurture & protect it?
What’s so bad about this “agenda”?? To promote & help with giving the unborn a chance at life & the woman a chance at being a mother is “pro life”. Yet people scoff and act like there’s ill intent there & we should tell them to go with the abortion instead. I don’t understand that.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief 
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
He’s said it. It’s how he feels. Believe what you want. It’s horrifying nonetheless.
Pro-life/pro-choice debate aside. You can’t say, “He’s said it,” in quotations, without providing a credible source. It’s not a matter of believing. This is how misinformation becomes fact and it’s infuriating. Unless you can back up your claim, don’t use it. I’m a librarian and this sort of misinformation being taken as gospel is so incredibly frustrating. Find a credible source (not a pro-life website) that proves this or leave it out of your argument.
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