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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
Exactly.
The focus of the RHA is not on freedom to get an abortion - it should be on PRIVACY and BODILY AUTONOMY of reproductive control. Women did not previously have control. Now they do.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Legal Eagles or anyone else who is brave enough to tackle the text:
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2017/S2796
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief 
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I seriously don't think this bill is going to allow a woman to walk in at 8 months pregnant with a perfectly healthy fetus and say- hey, yeah, I decided I don't want to have this baby, let's abort it.
I would imagine this is for extreme instances
The scenario you described is already permitted and happening in some states. There are doctors who will do it. Gosnell comes to mind, although no longer... There are other clinics & doctors in certain states who do it, no reason required, as long as you pay. You can look it up easily. There’s a lot of corruption in the abortion industry, and as everywhere else, money talks. It’s sad.
Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
This law is not saying that having an abortion at 8 or 9 months for no good reason is ok. That's not what it is.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by mrsrainbow
Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
I tried and honestly couldn't find any quotes along those lines. I'd like to read a direct quote if you can share one.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
This is literally the hypothetical diabetic with a banana and I'm over it.
At the end of the day, a man in Congress and a doctor shouldn't have more sat over my body than me.
There are a hundred scenarios where abortions may be needed to save the life of the mother due to other illnesses, other children, etc.
Don't believe in it, fine, but don't come on a public board freaking out. Just don't ever get one. But don't tell other women they can't. Period.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
I tried and honestly couldn't find any quotes along those lines. I'd like to read a direct quote if you can share one.
There isn't one as far as I can see.
Was I the only one who imagined Cuomo gleefully shouting "abortion for all!!!!" with a big smile based on the OP's first post or nah?
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
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Posted by drpepper318
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Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
He’s said it. It’s how he feels. Believe what you want. It’s horrifying nonetheless.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
He’s said it. It’s how he feels. Believe what you want. It’s horrifying nonetheless.
But you don't have a source. Do you have a source? That's all I'm asking. Proof?
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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This is literally the hypothetical diabetic with a banana and I'm over it.
At the end of the day, a man in Congress and a doctor shouldn't have more sat over my body than me.
There are a hundred scenarios where abortions may be needed to save the life of the mother due to other illnesses, other children, etc.
Don't believe in it, fine, but don't come on a public board freaking out. Just don't ever get one. But don't tell other women they can't. Period.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Even if you are horrified by the fact alone that a person who beats a pregnant woman and the baby dies will face no charges... there was a current case of this exact thing on ch 2 news last night and the woman who lost her baby was talking about it and is fighting it... that alone is concerning enough to be horrified.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
I already explained my thoughts on that. You don't take away someone else's choice bc others won't follow the law. Go after the person who isn't following the law and let those who need the options have them. If you don't know anyone who's been through hell and would have benefited from this law then you're very lucky. There are story after story of mothers who had nothing but horrible options. I hope in the future this law will make their lives a little bit easier.
Btw less than 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks so I certainly don't think it's a rampant problem and I imagine the vast majority of those involve the health of the mother or fetus.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
He’s said it. It’s how he feels. Believe what you want. It’s horrifying nonetheless.
But you don't have a source. Do you have a source? That's all I'm asking. Proof?
NO... Only the fact that I’ve heard him openly say it very recently, stating that he wants no abortion restriction at all in New York. Again, don’t believe it, that’s not the only place where my outrage lies.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by mrsrainbow
Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
No, I am wondering if you are simply being inflammatory or misquoting to conflate the issue. Because you seem hellbent on what you believe and thats fine. But not everyone here shares your belief
And a very cursory Google search in no way comes up with a Cuomo quote that says "abortion for all."
Abortion decriminalization.
Abortion modifications.
Abortion legislation changes.
Abortion rights.
But not "abortion for all."
So misquoting to make it more dramatic is wrong.
He’s said it. It’s how he feels. Believe what you want. It’s horrifying nonetheless.
But you don't have a source. Do you have a source? That's all I'm asking. Proof?
NO... Only the fact that I’ve heard him openly say it very recently, stating that he wants no abortion restriction at all in New York. Again, don’t believe it, that’s not the only place where my outrage lies.
Um ok. I truly respect that you have your beliefs but I can't respect someone who just regurgitates nonsensical rhetoric. The RHA is not what you think it is but ok.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
I already explained my thoughts on that. You don't take away someone else's choice bc others won't follow the law. Go after the person who isn't following the law and let those who need the options have them. If you don't know anyone who's been through hell and would have benefited from this law then you're very lucky. There are story after story of mothers who had nothing but horrible options. I hope in the future this law will make their lives a little bit easier.
Btw less than 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks so I certainly don't think it's a rampant problem and I imagine the vast majority of those involve the health of the mother or fetus.
I think you’ve got too much faith in humanity & trusting them, and the abortion industry, not to abuse the new laws. I am concerned about the abuse of this and full-term (or close to it) babies being aborted without cause. If that makes me wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by MrsT809
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
I already explained my thoughts on that. You don't take away someone else's choice bc others won't follow the law. Go after the person who isn't following the law and let those who need the options have them. If you don't know anyone who's been through hell and would have benefited from this law then you're very lucky. There are story after story of mothers who had nothing but horrible options. I hope in the future this law will make their lives a little bit easier.
Btw less than 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks so I certainly don't think it's a rampant problem and I imagine the vast majority of those involve the health of the mother or fetus.
I think you’ve got too much faith in humanity & trusting them, and the abortion industry, not to abuse the new laws. I am concerned about the abuse of this and full-term (or close to it) babies being aborted without cause. If that makes me wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
Yeah but do you support access to birth control and healthcare and WIC and social services for women who need it to support their children that you dont want aborted? So many pro-lifers are only pro-life while the baby is in the womb and after that they don't give a shitt and do everything in their power to deny mothers assistance and basic services because now they should have closed their legs and stopped having babies they couldn't afford to care for
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by MrsT809
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Posted by MrsT809
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
I already explained my thoughts on that. You don't take away someone else's choice bc others won't follow the law. Go after the person who isn't following the law and let those who need the options have them. If you don't know anyone who's been through hell and would have benefited from this law then you're very lucky. There are story after story of mothers who had nothing but horrible options. I hope in the future this law will make their lives a little bit easier.
Btw less than 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks so I certainly don't think it's a rampant problem and I imagine the vast majority of those involve the health of the mother or fetus.
I think you’ve got too much faith in humanity & trusting them, and the abortion industry, not to abuse the new laws. I am concerned about the abuse of this and full-term (or close to it) babies being aborted without cause. If that makes me wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
Have you actually read the summation of the legislation? Because the right to abort after 24 weeks due to the mother's health has always been part of NY law. The modifications have to do with aborting a fetus after 24 weeks if the fetus is not expected to survive as well and protecting reproductive rights in NY should Roe v Wade be overturned. In addition, the added in non discrimination language for female birth control and contraceptives.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
You’re sure about that? You think it won’t happen?
I already explained my thoughts on that. You don't take away someone else's choice bc others won't follow the law. Go after the person who isn't following the law and let those who need the options have them. If you don't know anyone who's been through hell and would have benefited from this law then you're very lucky. There are story after story of mothers who had nothing but horrible options. I hope in the future this law will make their lives a little bit easier.
Btw less than 2% of abortions happen after 20 weeks so I certainly don't think it's a rampant problem and I imagine the vast majority of those involve the health of the mother or fetus.
I think you’ve got too much faith in humanity & trusting them, and the abortion industry, not to abuse the new laws. I am concerned about the abuse of this and full-term (or close to it) babies being aborted without cause. If that makes me wrong, then I don’t want to be right.
I can absolutely agree with you there. I just don't think it's anywhere near a common occurrence or that it should be the reason we restrict the choice of families who would truly benefit.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Some highlights from the bill...https://www.syracuse.com/expo/news/g66l-2019/01/7a5d56a87eac4/historic-ny-abortion-vote-how-law-will-change-what-it-means-for-women.html
The bill passed the Senate on March 18, 1970 by a vote of 31-26.
The Assembly struggled to pass the bill and added an amendment to allow unrestricted abortions only up to 24 weeks. Abortions would be permitted after 24 weeks only to save the life of the woman. The bill eventually passed in the Assembly, 76-73.
Under the rights guaranteed by Roe v. Wade, exceptions for an abortion after 24 weeks can be made when a woman's life or health is at risk. But the existing New York law makes exceptions only when a woman's life is at risk.
The Reproductive Health Act changes New York's law to permit abortions after 24 weeks in case where a woman's life or health would be threatened by continuing the pregnancy
New York's 1970 law gave women the right to an abortion if a fetus is not viable during the first 24 weeks of a pregnancy.
Under the Reproductive Health Act, a woman will have the right to abortion at any time, including the third trimester, if the fetus is not viable and cannot survive outside the womb.
Since New York passed its abortion rights law in 1970, it has regulated abortion under criminal law, treating abortion in the third trimester as a felony punishable by up to seven years in prison.
The Reproductive Health Act regulates abortion under public health law, consistent with most states.
Abortion rights supporters say the existing law had a chilling effect on doctors in New York who were reluctant to provide abortions after 24 weeks when the mother's life was in danger or the fetus was no longer viable.
Improving access to abortions
The Reproductive Health Act allows licensed nurse practitioners, physician assistants and licensed midwives to provide abortions, in addition to physicians.
The bill's authors say the change is essential for rural parts of the state where women have limited access to doctors.
Expanding other reproductive rights in NY
The focus of New York lawmakers extends beyond abortion. In addition to the Reproductive Health Act, the Assembly and Senate plan to pass a separate bill to expand birth-control coverage
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Yeah but do you support access to birth control and healthcare and WIC and social services for women who need it to support their children that you dont want aborted? So many pro-lifers are only pro-life while the baby is in the womb and after that they don't give a shitt and do everything in their power to deny mothers assistance and basic services because now they should have closed their legs and stopped having babies they couldn't afford to care for
Wow, you’re assuming a lot about me when you have not even a clue.
Actually I’m in favor of all programs that help women with unplanned pregnancies to allow both them & their babies to live and thrive! I wish I had the time and resources to do more on a personal level as well, that would be so amazingly rewarding.
I just don’t think life is disposable. Ever. Whether that’s an elderly person, ill person, not-yet- born person, etc.
Obviously you’re free to feel how you want.
My point is that these new laws being passed to take away the value of a life before birth, especially right up to birth, has me (and many others) horrified. I don’t think it can be defended, but I’m glad to read others’ point of view.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Yeah but do you support access to birth control and healthcare and WIC and social services for women who need it to support their children that you dont want aborted? So many pro-lifers are only pro-life while the baby is in the womb and after that they don't give a shitt and do everything in their power to deny mothers assistance and basic services because now they should have closed their legs and stopped having babies they couldn't afford to care for
Wow, you’re assuming a lot about me when you have not even a clue.
Actually I’m in favor of all programs that help women with unplanned pregnancies to allow both them & their babies to live and thrive! I wish I had the time and resources to do more on a personal level as well, that would be so amazingly rewarding.
I just don’t think life is disposable. Ever. Whether that’s an elderly person, ill person, not-yet- born person, etc.
Obviously you’re free to feel how you want.
My point is that these new laws being passed to take away the value of a life before birth, especially right up to birth, has me (and many others) horrified. I don’t think it can be defended, but I’m glad to read others’ point of view.
I am not assuming you're against programs; I was asking if you were in favor because a lot of pro-life people aren't. So if you're pro-life, I'm glad that you are in favor of WIC and SNAP and EBT and free healthcare and birth control and all of that.
But I think emotionally you're conflating the RHA with some kind of free abortion when it is not. I would recommend you to take a hard look at it when you're not so horrified.
ETA: I was part of letter writing campaigns for the DSA and PP to Cuomo and other politicians to help get this passed so I was very involved in the RHA from a local standpoint.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NervousNell
Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
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| Posted 1/23/19 11:11 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
Posted by NervousNell
Well then a law won't stop that. You can ban guns but people will still get them. You can ban heroin but people still use it.
You can ban late term abortions but corrupt doctors will still perform them for money.
So what you’re saying is, we should legislate nothing? Let people just do whatever they want because they’ll do it anyway regardless? Don’t bother with gun control, drug control, abortion control... I can’t agree with you here. I think laws, even if there’s not 100 percent compliance, set an important tone for what’s deemed acceptable and what’s not.
I am not saying that at all. I am saying that shady doctors doing late term abortions for no good reason have nothing to do with this law.
If they are shady and doing it for money, they were doing it long before this law passed, trust me. Having an abortion for no good reason after a certain point was illegal before and it is STILL ILLEGAL NOW.
We can ban abortion completely and there will still be doctor's who will perform them.
This new law will not make it any easier for them.
Message edited 1/23/2019 11:23:57 AM.
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| Posted 1/23/19 11:15 AM |
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