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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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lululu
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
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No, the majority of the time people don’t live in the real world.
Let me tell you being on welfare isnt some free money party for the majority. We f#kn struggled, when you go on a 1hr train ride with your mom to the welfare office in the freezing cold for a scheduled meeting, wait for 2 hrs to be seen only for them to tell you are missing paperwork and have to go back home to go back and wait again. Then it happened again when we went back. My mother also gave up a child for adoption that really emotionally messed her up.
Don’t get me started on foster care and the systems. It’s truly sad, just looking around the waiting room when during my sons court hearings was a sad sight. These poor kids have a number assigned to them. We used to call the courthouse central baby booking.
It’s not black and white.
It is definitely not black and white which is why although I am very pro life for myself, I am pro choice for everyone else. However, I don't know anyone that got an abortion because of rape, incest, or even failed birth control. It is ALWAYS that they made a mistake - either they were young and didn't think they needed to use BC or they were drunk and made a mistake. All of these pregnancies were preventable.
I don't know anyone who has gotten an abortion due to failed BC but it does happen. So just because you and I don't know anyone then its not true? I do know people who's BC failed and I seen several posts on here about it happening.
Unfortunately, I have known people who were effected by the other scenarios. I guess I am not understanding your logic. It seems because you don't know of these cases than it doesn't happen?
Also most woman don't go around talking about their abortions like that, so there is a chance you may no someone.
We can't pass their imaginary litmus test.
They keep asking for imaginary, hypothetical sutuations where an abortion "could" be needed and it's not good enough. They keep saying they're pro-choice but there's never a time when the mother can make a choice that THEY are okay with.
It's an endless cycle. They're pro-something, but it ain't choice.
Again, never once did I say it never happens. I am sure it does. But let’s be real, most abortions are because someone made a mistake. Just because I am realistic about that does not make me any less pro choice nor does it make me judgemental. Contrary to what words you and anyone else would like to put in my mouth go back and read my own words. I wouldn’t do it for myself, ever. But what you do with your body and your unborn child is between you and your doctor. Not my business, not my problem. I honestly have enough of my own problems to worry about any one else’s and I really don’t care what your reasons are for wanting an abortion!
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by drpepper318
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Please reread what I wrote. It has absolutely changed. Health of the mother is purposely loosely defined. It is no longer criminal to perform a late term abortion. Now all you need is to loosely define the mental health of the mother being at stake. Not her life. Just her mental well being. So now you are giving people a legal channel to do all of that shady stuff.
Why bother. The radical pro-abortion posts I’m reading on here go beyond “choice” and show they’ve been brainwashed to think their own “rights” are always most important. As well as naive to think there won’t be many more late term healthy babies needlessly killed because of people taking advantage of the phrasing of these laws... But according to a lot of the posts I’ve read on here, that’s still ok. They’re insisitng these laws are ONLY going to be used to help women who are sick & in need (opening the door to terminate healthy viable babies when delivering them alive would be just fine) or terminally ill babies..... yeah ok... Right.
They’ll complain about deporting children and sermonize compassion to kids, yet they would have supported murdering those SAME exact kids at any time before birth as an option. Hypocrisy.
They’ll say “how many kids have you adopted?” as though that’s a reason for discarding them instead... well, how many have YOU adopted? None?? Then you’re no better.
They’ll give their unborn babies names, have baby showers for them (oh but they’d never call it a “fetus shower”), and speak of them as people WHEN it serves their own purpose. Yet an equally well developed baby, if undesired by her mother, is just a nameless clump of cells... not a human with a beating heart & all body organs working yet just fine to be discarded as medical waste. Because somehow that healthy, well developed baby is still “my body & my choice”..Sad.
Then they’ll try to say that I’m the one with no conscience because I try to help these mothers through Bridge to Life and other programs to lift them up... I’m not “forcing” them to be mothers... there’s no FORCING of any sort... obviously if they want their abortion, they’re still free to go get it.
And these late-abortion supporters don’t want to be knowledgeable of the actual physical process...oh noooo, that’s just wayyy too distasteful to actually see or hear about!!!... stick head in the sand... but they’ll support it anyway. If you’re going to say something is OK with you, then you should KNOW how it’s done and the exact nature of the trauma to the mothers’ bodies AND babies’ bodies...and exactly what the act entails... how can you support something you choose to be ignorant of? Just because it’s done by a certified medical professional doesn’t mean you can just blindly trust that it’s all good.
The defenders don’t want to admit that women sometimes die during “safe” late or mid-term abortions... and that very rarely, a baby is born alive yet maimed after these procedures... do these children become “people” worth saving then? Clearly not, according to those supporting these laws that now take away protections from aborted babies born alive.
When you’re dealing with a twisted mindset that defends all this, they’re so far gone into their extreme liberal la la land that there’s no point. They’re the ones who’ve got to live with their truth. Good luck.
Cue being called “hateful” “crazy” “liar” etc. in 3...2...1.... bye bye.
Facts, logic, medical laws, and precedence dispute pretty much everything you're saying here. These late term procedures are NOT about healthy, unwanted babies.
Your equivalencies are false, your sources are non existent or nonsense, your distortions are disturbing, and your wording is obnoxious. Please wipe the Kool Aid dripping down your chin. It's not a good look.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by JennP
Posted by drpepper318
posted by lululu
Please reread what I wrote. It has absolutely changed. Health of the mother is purposely loosely defined. It is no longer criminal to perform a late term abortion. Now all you need is to loosely define the mental health of the mother being at stake. Not her life. Just her mental well being. So now you are giving people a legal channel to do all of that shady stuff.
Why bother. The radical pro-abortion posts I’m reading on here go beyond “choice” and show they’ve been brainwashed to think their own “rights” are always most important. As well as naive to think there won’t be many more late term healthy babies needlessly killed because of people taking advantage of the phrasing of these laws... But according to a lot of the posts I’ve read on here, that’s still ok. They’re insisitng these laws are ONLY going to be used to help women who are sick & in need (opening the door to terminate healthy viable babies when delivering them alive would be just fine) or terminally ill babies..... yeah ok... Right.
They’ll complain about deporting children and sermonize compassion to kids, yet they would have supported murdering those SAME exact kids at any time before birth as an option. Hypocrisy.
They’ll say “how many kids have you adopted?” as though that’s a reason for discarding them instead... well, how many have YOU adopted? None?? Then you’re no better.
They’ll give their unborn babies names, have baby showers for them (oh but they’d never call it a “fetus shower”), and speak of them as people WHEN it serves their own purpose. Yet an equally well developed baby, if undesired by her mother, is just a nameless clump of cells... not a human with a beating heart & all body organs working yet just fine to be discarded as medical waste. Because somehow that healthy, well developed baby is still “my body & my choice”..Sad.
Then they’ll try to say that I’m the one with no conscience because I try to help these mothers through Bridge to Life and other programs to lift them up... I’m not “forcing” them to be mothers... there’s no FORCING of any sort... obviously if they want their abortion, they’re still free to go get it.
And these late-abortion supporters don’t want to be knowledgeable of the actual physical process...oh noooo, that’s just wayyy too distasteful to actually see or hear about!!!... stick head in the sand... but they’ll support it anyway. If you’re going to say something is OK with you, then you should KNOW how it’s done and the exact nature of the trauma to the mothers’ bodies AND babies’ bodies...and exactly what the act entails... how can you support something you choose to be ignorant of? Just because it’s done by a certified medical professional doesn’t mean you can just blindly trust that it’s all good.
The defenders don’t want to admit that women sometimes die during “safe” late or mid-term abortions... and that very rarely, a baby is born alive yet maimed after these procedures... do these children become “people” worth saving then? Clearly not, according to those supporting these laws that now take away protections from aborted babies born alive.
When you’re dealing with a twisted mindset that defends all this, they’re so far gone into their extreme liberal la la land that there’s no point. They’re the ones who’ve got to live with their truth. Good luck.
Cue being called “hateful” “crazy” “liar” etc. in 3...2...1.... bye bye.
Facts, logic, medical laws, and precedence dispute pretty much everything you're saying here. These late term procedures are NOT about healthy, unwanted babies.
Your equivalencies are false, your sources are non existent or nonsense, your distortions are disturbing, and your wording is obnoxious. Please wipe the Kool Aid dripping down your chin. It's not a good look.
Agree. And please educate yourself. If the baby can be delivered safely early it would be. It happens all the time like when a mom has to deliver early due to pre eclampsia or something similar . Nobody is going to an abort an 8 month fetus in that case. The mom's life is in danger in that case and what do they do? They induce her immediately even if it's early. They do everything in their power to save her AND that baby. So do you really think that now that this law is in effect that im a case like that the mom and doctor will just say eh fuk it, let's abort.
Really???
Get facts. From somewhere other than a fear mongering anti abortion source.
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mommy2be716
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Momma2015
The other big piece of this legislation that I think the people who are horrified are missing is that if a woman is sexually active and becomes pregnant but doesn't want a baby now or ever even, they're not waiting around until they are 30 weeks to abort. They are doing it right away! Which was legal BEFORE this bill was ever discussed.
ding ding ding we have a winner
Exactly! You aren't going to pee on the stick, find out you are pregnant, freak out and walk around for 6 months.
Come on now
The problem is, there are teenagers and young adults that will do this.
There are teenagers go full term and then throw their babies in the garbage upon giving birth or try to drown their babies in the toilet. And I know more than one person that had illegal late term abortions because they were young and stupid and waited too long to have an abortion in NYS. Sick things do happen in this world. It's sad but true.
I don't think any abortion after the baby would be a viable life is appropriate except for in the cases where the mother's life is at stake or the baby has severe problems that will prevent it from living outside the womb, which it sounds like this law was designed for. However, broadly defining "health of the mother" seems inappropriate to me.
And as one PP said, let's be honest here, most abortions are a form of birth control. I know lots of people who have had abortions and not ONE was because the person was raped....
Ok so your point is a good one about teens hiding a pregnancy and waiting awhile before doing something drastic like that. but if they waited until 28+ weeks, at that point a baby would be deliverable and live (26+ weeks even). So really what alot of people are missing here is that there is a very tiny window between the end of the 1st trimester (when you can legally abort prior) and 26 weeks (where a baby would be able to live if delivered).
The law is saying that if there were serious health concerns in the mother in the mid-way period of 13-24ish weeks, OR if there is a health concern for the baby, then you can legally abort. But like many other posters already mentioned, 1. MOST doctors won't do abortion by choice within that time frame (without medical necessity), and 2. Any doctors that would be willing to do that and risk their reputation have probably been doing that already regardless of this bill.
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mommy2be716
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by Momma2015
The other side to the argument that abortion is used as birth control (which as far as I can see is the EXCEPTION and not the norm) is MAYBE if women had better access to preventative health care this wouldn't happen at all? Maybe if we actually taught sex ed in schools women AND men would be more responsible. Maybe if certain parties didn't try to pull funding from Planned Parenthood birth control would be more accessible.
You can't say (and I'm not saying this to anyone in particular here, but typical right wing/religious groups) don't teach sex ed, don't fund planned parenthood, don't cover contraceptives, place the entire onus on the woman (because boys will be boys, right?  ), don't even try to have an abortion, but also don't expect any assistance after your child is born.
That's crazy pants! Something down this line has GOT to give.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
It's not just an abortion bill. It's about pregnancy termination rights that have been taken away in other states, forcing parents to endure the worst while their child dies in utero.
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