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GoldenRod
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Anotherplease
It’s sort of like an “I told you so” you should have listened. It’s really depressing.I guess this is our life for now. My heart breaks for kids. There is a lot of anxiety and depression brewing amongst children.
I’m not denying your experience but I see so many kids hanging out all the time or doing sports.
I've seen a lot of it first and 2nd hand through Scouts. Even though we meet in-person quite a bit, it's still taking a huge toll on the kids emotionally and mentally.
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NervousNell
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by Anotherplease
It’s sort of like an “I told you so” you should have listened. It’s really depressing.I guess this is our life for now. My heart breaks for kids. There is a lot of anxiety and depression brewing amongst children.
I’m not denying your experience but I see so many kids hanging out all the time or doing sports.
This year is definitely better. My daughter is in school in person every single day and she is back in her 2 extracurricular activities.... gymnastics and dance.
The difference is night and day from last spring in her both emotionally and academically. I can't even describe the difference.
But I can see how bad it would affect children- especially if they are still not back in school full time or fully remote and not playing sports or doing their extracurricular activities
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
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Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
No matter who won the election there isn't a way to slow this down. The vaccine is a start but there are still so many unknowns. New variants have thrown a loop in as well. We aren't able to vaccinate enough people at one time to see a difference. Countries seeing it as a help did mass vaccinations of almost their entire population in a matter of weeks. By the time everyone who wants a vaccine gets one the people who go them first will need to start again. The ley will be how fast we can produce and distribute. We can push the companies as hard as we want. Only so many will be created at a time. A mandate to wear masks is a nice to have but local authorities need to enforce it. I have yet to see that happen. People in the supermarket with their noses sticking out. Nobody is policing it.
People also think that once they are vaccinated their life will go back to normal. Not the case.. We will be wearing masks and distancing for a long time.
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Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Most kids in nyc are remote. Many kids in nyc are not hanging out or doing sports. The bulk of these kids are definitely struggling emotionally and academically as well.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
Too bad he didn't included the implementation of actually administering the vaccine or distribution of the vaccine in his Warp Speed plan.
Additionally, Moderma nor Pzifer took Warp Speed money.
The JNJ vaccine will do a lot in getting it out to small hospital and sites such as a CVS or Walgreen since it is one shot and does not require industrial refrigeration.
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NervousNell
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
Too bad he didn't included the implementation of actually administering the vaccine or distribution of the vaccine in his Warp Speed plan.
Additionally, Moderma nor Pzifer took Warp Speed money.
The JNJ vaccine will do a lot in getting it out to small hospital and sites such as a CVS or Walgreen since it is one shot and does not require industrial refrigeration.
A family member of mine works in medical research and epidemiology and she was telling me a lot of people in her field are very positive and excited about the J&J vaccine because of the reasons you listed above.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
 Yea, no.
Thank God scientists were able to develop a vaccine DESPITE Trump and his disinterested and inept administration.
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CookiePuss
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
Too bad he didn't included the implementation of actually administering the vaccine or distribution of the vaccine in his Warp Speed plan.
Additionally, Moderma nor Pzifer took Warp Speed money.
The JNJ vaccine will do a lot in getting it out to small hospital and sites such as a CVS or Walgreen since it is one shot and does not require industrial refrigeration.
A family member of mine works in medical research and epidemiology and she was telling me a lot of people in her field are very positive and excited about the J&J vaccine because of the reasons you listed above.
It will be a game changer. It's easy to forget that lots of the population of this country does NOT have easy access to medical care or facilities.
Hopefully, we will turn a corner soon and the country to heal...in all matters.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by Jenhos
No matter who won the election there isn't a way to slow this down. The vaccine is a start but there are still so many unknowns. New variants have thrown a loop in as well. We aren't able to vaccinate enough people at one time to see a difference. Countries seeing it as a help did mass vaccinations of almost their entire population in a matter of weeks. By the time everyone who wants a vaccine gets one the people who go them first will need to start again. The ley will be how fast we can produce and distribute. We can push the companies as hard as we want. Only so many will be created at a time. A mandate to wear masks is a nice to have but local authorities need to enforce it. I have yet to see that happen. People in the supermarket with their noses sticking out. Nobody is policing it.
People also think that once they are vaccinated their life will go back to normal. Not the case.. We will be wearing masks and distancing for a long time.
It's out of control and 400K+ are dead because Trump sat on his a$$ and did nothing and now Biden is stuck cleaning up his mess. We didn't HAVE to be where we're at right now, this could've been better if Trump took action months ago and dealt with this on a national level instead of throwing it all to the individual states. It's a mess because we had no leadership and a president who didn't care. I FULLY blame Trump.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
Too bad he didn't included the implementation of actually administering the vaccine or distribution of the vaccine in his Warp Speed plan.
Additionally, Moderma nor Pzifer took Warp Speed money.
The JNJ vaccine will do a lot in getting it out to small hospital and sites such as a CVS or Walgreen since it is one shot and does not require industrial refrigeration.
I’m pretty sure Moderna did take money. Pfizer didn’t but its partner BioNTech took money from the German government. This way they didn’t have to submit any info about their vaccine development tot he government (during the trials). The money was actually part of an advance-purchase agreement. It was supposed to go toward the manufacturing and distribution of the vaccine. This would give them the chance to be one of the first suppliers.
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MC09
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Jenhos
No matter who won the election there isn't a way to slow this down. The vaccine is a start but there are still so many unknowns. New variants have thrown a loop in as well. We aren't able to vaccinate enough people at one time to see a difference. Countries seeing it as a help did mass vaccinations of almost their entire population in a matter of weeks. By the time everyone who wants a vaccine gets one the people who go them first will need to start again. The ley will be how fast we can produce and distribute. We can push the companies as hard as we want. Only so many will be created at a time. A mandate to wear masks is a nice to have but local authorities need to enforce it. I have yet to see that happen. People in the supermarket with their noses sticking out. Nobody is policing it.
People also think that once they are vaccinated their life will go back to normal. Not the case.. We will be wearing masks and distancing for a long time.
It's out of control and 400K+ are dead because Trump sat on his a$$ and did nothing and now Biden is stuck cleaning up his mess. We didn't HAVE to be where we're at right now, this could've been better if Trump took action months ago and dealt with this on a national level instead of throwing it all to the individual states. It's a mess because we had no leadership and a president who didn't care. I FULLY blame Trump.
873 months ago into this pandemic I was told by trump supporters on here when I brought up Trump's incompetencies and inefficiencies in handling this virus "I was wondering how long it would've been until Trump was blamed" - but 5 days into the job and boy do they demand answers from the new guy 
Yeah, we needED a proactive NATIONAL response followed by all states being on board and enforcement of guidelines instead of saying "eh do whatever you want". This isn't a NY or a CA or a TX or FL or a red or blue problem. It's a U.S. (and beyond) problem. It needed to be handled that way from the start. It never should've been political.
I'll say one thing though. I wish Trump had been right and this had all just been a liberal hoax to take him down because at least now we could've moved on from this never-ending BS.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
I feel like saying there is nothing they can do to change the trajectory is an odd statement. I think a more appropriate thing would be to say that even changing the trajectory at this point, it will still take a long time to get things back to "normal." Saying you can't change the trajectory at all is saying that there is nothing that can be done at this point to slow the spread and lower the transmission rate.
Putting in place federal mask mandates and establishing a COVID task force should be able to help the efficiency of vaccine distribution and do numerous things that will change the trajectory. I do think that if we believe there are things that Trump wasn't doing that Biden can now do to slow this virus down it should clearly change the trajectory. Clearly this is just semantics though.
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JennP
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by queensgal
I mean Biden isn’t magic.
The US has had zero national policy, and put forth zero real effort to control this virus for a year. It’s now so out of control in the entire country, we are passing experts doomsday scenarios.
Not sure what you would expect. Have you followed non Fox News at all in the last 11 months?
It’s going to take a lot of time and for people to change their ways to make any kind of real progress. And that won’t bring back the 400k who have died. This virus has been an epic disaster for our country and failure of our govt - at this point, even if we magically stopped it today, that statement would be true.
Yes, I do follow non Fox News, do we really need to take it there every time.
I remember Biden saying give him 100 days of mask mandate blah blah blah. Now we are doom and gloom. It’s not what I was expecting to hear. I’m so done with all this.
This is almost entirely being reported on fox so it's a valid question.
What he means is that the initiatives he is going to implement are going to take time to bear fruit.
The mask mandate is something he can only implement to a certain extent - on federal property, interstate travel, etc.
Yes he is going to make many changes but under Trump there was no money for vaccine distribution to states, no frequent meetings, no Defense Production Act so it will take time to implement all that and then have visible results.
Personally I would rather be told the truth than be lied to about how it will "disappear" because it's a "hoax" and whatever other nonsense 45 said.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by queensgal
I mean Biden isn’t magic.
The US has had zero national policy, and put forth zero real effort to control this virus for a year. It’s now so out of control in the entire country, we are passing experts doomsday scenarios.
Not sure what you would expect. Have you followed non Fox News at all in the last 11 months?
It’s going to take a lot of time and for people to change their ways to make any kind of real progress. And that won’t bring back the 400k who have died. This virus has been an epic disaster for our country and failure of our govt - at this point, even if we magically stopped it today, that statement would be true.
Yes, I do follow non Fox News, do we really need to take it there every time.
I remember Biden saying give him 100 days of mask mandate blah blah blah. Now we are doom and gloom. It’s not what I was expecting to hear. I’m so done with all this.
This is almost entirely being reported on fox so it's a valid question.
What he means is that the initiatives he is going to implement are going to take time to bear fruit.
The mask mandate is something he can only implement to a certain extent - on federal property, interstate travel, etc.
Yes he is going to make many changes but under Trump there was no money for vaccine distribution to states, no frequent meetings, no Defense Production Act so it will take time to implement all that and then have visible results.
Personally I would rather be told the truth than be lied to about how it will "disappear" because it's a "hoax" and whatever other nonsense 45 said.
But everything you are saying that he is implementing now WILL change the trajectory. I am confused by the choice of words. I think saying it will take time is one thing but it IS changing the trajectory. It has to!
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
I think that him saying that is not going to motivate the anti-mask, anti-distancing, anti-isolation people to start masking and distancing and isolating. It is going to do the exact opposite, that is, people are going to feel like "oh well if it's never gonna get better than why bother." I feel like what he should have said is "if we all do a, b and c for x amount of time, then together with the vaccine, there is a good chance that we could be maskless and celebrating Christmas with family this year. That's what people need to hear. That is what would motivate me. Hope. Positivity. A goal. But more doom and gloom and telling people that they will be left to a joyless life full of misery for the foreseeable future only makes me say "fluck it." I am not saying lie, but honestly, nobody has any idea how this is going to play out. They have been wrong over and over the past year.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by ChilisWife
I think that him saying that is not going to motivate the anti-mask, anti-distancing, anti-isolation people to start masking and distancing and isolating. It is going to do the exact opposite, that is, people are going to feel like "oh well if it's never gonna get better than why bother." I feel like what he should have said is "if we all do a, b and c for x amount of time, then together with the vaccine, there is a good chance that we could be maskless and celebrating Christmas with family this year. That's what people need to hear. That is what would motivate me. Hope. Positivity. A goal. But more doom and gloom only makes me say "fluck it."
As usual, I agree with you. It’s all in the delivery. He doesn’t have to lie, but he can say what the reality of the situation is in an optimistic way. He’s no Trump, I’d think he should know how to speak to the people considering his long run in politics.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by Jenhos
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by LittleDiva
I read his plan.
I’m just disappointed by the doom and gloom outlook he is taking.
I’d rather see more positivity. There is no way these anti-maskers are going to listen when he comes out and says there is no way to change the forecast.
I wish he would have put a spin on it saying my mask mandate, testing, etc....will hopefully change the projections. Not throwing your hands in the air your first week saying there’s nothing that can change the projections.
When he took office I was hopeful that after the 100 days things would be better. Now I find myself back in a bad place. I look at my kids suffering and my heart is breaking for them. I thought we were turning a corner.
We're a year into this with over 400K dead and the virus spreading like crazy still. I think he's less doom and gloom and more realistic about the hurdles we're facing.
At this point, the vaccine is the key to fixing all of this.
Thank God President Trump fast tracked the Vaccine!
Too bad he didn't included the implementation of actually administering the vaccine or distribution of the vaccine in his Warp Speed plan.
Additionally, Moderma nor Pzifer took Warp Speed money.
The JNJ vaccine will do a lot in getting it out to small hospital and sites such as a CVS or Walgreen since it is one shot and does not require industrial refrigeration.
I’m pretty sure Moderna did take money. Pfizer didn’t but its partner BioNTech took money from the German government. This way they didn’t have to submit any info about their vaccine development tot he government (during the trials). The money was actually part of an advance-purchase agreement. It was supposed to go toward the manufacturing and distribution of the vaccine. This would give them the chance to be one of the first suppliers.
I stand corrected - you are right. Moderna did take WS funding.
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by ChilisWife
I think that him saying that is not going to motivate the anti-mask, anti-distancing, anti-isolation people to start masking and distancing and isolating. It is going to do the exact opposite, that is, people are going to feel like "oh well if it's never gonna get better than why bother." I feel like what he should have said is "if we all do a, b and c for x amount of time, then together with the vaccine, there is a good chance that we could be maskless and celebrating Christmas with family this year. That's what people need to hear. That is what would motivate me. Hope. Positivity. A goal. But more doom and gloom and telling people that they will be left to a joyless life full of misery for the foreseeable future only makes me say "fluck it." I am not saying lie, but honestly, nobody has any idea how this is going to play out. They have been wrong over and over the past year.
I kind of agree with this. I wear a mask, I follow the rules, but if you are going to tell me nothing is going to help, well then I'm going to live my life. I'm going to rebook that trip that I have been putting off hoping to take it when "things get better". I'm going to see friends and family. Because there are 100 other things that probably have more of a chance of killing me even if I did catch Covid. And life is short, and I'm not getting any younger.
So... yeah....I'll keep masking up, I'll be careful, wash my hands, do my best to protect others... but I need to start living at that point
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JennP
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by queensgal
I mean Biden isn’t magic.
The US has had zero national policy, and put forth zero real effort to control this virus for a year. It’s now so out of control in the entire country, we are passing experts doomsday scenarios.
Not sure what you would expect. Have you followed non Fox News at all in the last 11 months?
It’s going to take a lot of time and for people to change their ways to make any kind of real progress. And that won’t bring back the 400k who have died. This virus has been an epic disaster for our country and failure of our govt - at this point, even if we magically stopped it today, that statement would be true.
Yes, I do follow non Fox News, do we really need to take it there every time.
I remember Biden saying give him 100 days of mask mandate blah blah blah. Now we are doom and gloom. It’s not what I was expecting to hear. I’m so done with all this.
This is almost entirely being reported on fox so it's a valid question.
What he means is that the initiatives he is going to implement are going to take time to bear fruit.
The mask mandate is something he can only implement to a certain extent - on federal property, interstate travel, etc.
Yes he is going to make many changes but under Trump there was no money for vaccine distribution to states, no frequent meetings, no Defense Production Act so it will take time to implement all that and then have visible results.
Personally I would rather be told the truth than be lied to about how it will "disappear" because it's a "hoax" and whatever other nonsense 45 said.
But everything you are saying that he is implementing now WILL change the trajectory. I am confused by the choice of words. I think saying it will take time is one thing but it IS changing the trajectory. It has to!
Of course. But it will take time! He said "the next several months." The point is don't expect immediate change. Trajectory means general direction.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Here's the transcript of the whole speech:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/01/22/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-american-rescue-plan-and-signing-of-executive-orders/
It's all about the positive things that his plans are going to do for Americans, and how the plans will help people in several different areas. It has numbers, what he thinks we can do, and what he thinks we can't do.
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The American Rescue Plan also addresses the growing housing crisis in America. Approximately 14 million Americans — 14 million — have fallen behind on rent, and many risk eviction. If we fail to act, there’ll be a wave of evictions and foreclosures in the coming months as this pandemic rages on, because there’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months.
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The next several months, which is what everyone has been saying for a while. It won't be until Spring until we start getting enough vaccines out there to start making an impact on her immunity and starting to get back to "normal".
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
Posted by JennP
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by queensgal
I mean Biden isn’t magic.
The US has had zero national policy, and put forth zero real effort to control this virus for a year. It’s now so out of control in the entire country, we are passing experts doomsday scenarios.
Not sure what you would expect. Have you followed non Fox News at all in the last 11 months?
It’s going to take a lot of time and for people to change their ways to make any kind of real progress. And that won’t bring back the 400k who have died. This virus has been an epic disaster for our country and failure of our govt - at this point, even if we magically stopped it today, that statement would be true.
Yes, I do follow non Fox News, do we really need to take it there every time.
I remember Biden saying give him 100 days of mask mandate blah blah blah. Now we are doom and gloom. It’s not what I was expecting to hear. I’m so done with all this.
This is almost entirely being reported on fox so it's a valid question.
What he means is that the initiatives he is going to implement are going to take time to bear fruit.
The mask mandate is something he can only implement to a certain extent - on federal property, interstate travel, etc.
Yes he is going to make many changes but under Trump there was no money for vaccine distribution to states, no frequent meetings, no Defense Production Act so it will take time to implement all that and then have visible results.
Personally I would rather be told the truth than be lied to about how it will "disappear" because it's a "hoax" and whatever other nonsense 45 said.
But everything you are saying that he is implementing now WILL change the trajectory. I am confused by the choice of words. I think saying it will take time is one thing but it IS changing the trajectory. It has to!
Of course. But it will take time! He said "the next several months." The point is don't expect immediate change. Trajectory means general direction.
Trajectory means the path that something is taking so if he is not planning to try to change that path then what’s the point? I know this is semantics but he is using the wrong terminology and by doing so he has done exactly what this thread is describing, which is making people pessimistic and thinking that nothing they do can change the outcome. He should be saying all of this is exactly what we need to do to change the trajectory but that it will take time to see the effects. Whatever this is a waste of time to argue about because you aren’t following the trajectory of my argument. Lol
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| Posted 1/25/21 12:40 PM |
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MC09
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by ChilisWife
I think that him saying that is not going to motivate the anti-mask, anti-distancing, anti-isolation people to start masking and distancing and isolating. It is going to do the exact opposite, that is, people are going to feel like "oh well if it's never gonna get better than why bother." I feel like what he should have said is "if we all do a, b and c for x amount of time, then together with the vaccine, there is a good chance that we could be maskless and celebrating Christmas with family this year. That's what people need to hear. That is what would motivate me. Hope. Positivity. A goal. But more doom and gloom and telling people that they will be left to a joyless life full of misery for the foreseeable future only makes me say "fluck it." I am not saying lie, but honestly, nobody has any idea how this is going to play out. They have been wrong over and over the past year.
But is the anti-masking crowd going to be motivated into starting to do so for the greater good? Are the spitters and the coughers going to be motivated to start doing what needs to be done? Are they going to be motivated not to get together for Groundhog's Day just for the sake of it? I'm of the belief that if they haven't figured out why they need to do these things to get a handle on this virus in the past year then I doubt they ever will. They have a set of beliefs that I don't believe are going to change. And how are the people who believe Bill Gates is microchipping the vaccine going to be swayed to be part of the 70% that's needed to be vaccinated?
Unfortunately, reigning this virus in and going back to normal needs to be a group effort and I don't like the group we're stuck with. It's like when you were assigned a group project in school and only 1 person did all the work and everyone else not participating caused the grade to go down.
Message edited 1/25/2021 12:58:52 PM.
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| Posted 1/25/21 12:54 PM |
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
Posted by MC09
Posted by ChilisWife
I think that him saying that is not going to motivate the anti-mask, anti-distancing, anti-isolation people to start masking and distancing and isolating. It is going to do the exact opposite, that is, people are going to feel like "oh well if it's never gonna get better than why bother." I feel like what he should have said is "if we all do a, b and c for x amount of time, then together with the vaccine, there is a good chance that we could be maskless and celebrating Christmas with family this year. That's what people need to hear. That is what would motivate me. Hope. Positivity. A goal. But more doom and gloom and telling people that they will be left to a joyless life full of misery for the foreseeable future only makes me say "fluck it." I am not saying lie, but honestly, nobody has any idea how this is going to play out. They have been wrong over and over the past year.
But is the anti-masking crowd going to be motivated into starting to do so for the greater good? Are the spitters and the coughers going to be motivated to start doing what needs to be done? Are they going to be motivated not to get together for Groundhog's Day just for the sake of it? I'm of the belief that if they haven't figured out why they need to do these things to get a handle on this virus in the past year then I doubt they ever will. They have a set of beliefs that I don't believe are going to change. And how are the people who believe Bill Gates is microchipping the vaccine going to be swayed to be part of the 70% that's needed to be vaccinated?
Unfortunately, reigning this virus in and going back to normal needs to be a group effort and I don't like the group we're stuck with. It's like when you were assigned a group project in school and only 1 person did all the work and everyone else not participating caused the grade to go down.
Exactly. The people who have been a problem ALL along are the same people who will continue to be a problem. I'd rather Biden be honest about the path we're on rather than blow smoke up my a$$. Sadly, we have a long road ahead of us from getting people to cooperate to getting people to vaccinate. Some people STILL don't get it and it's the ignorant and misinformed that will hold us all back.
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| Posted 1/25/21 1:48 AM |
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queensgal
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Re: Biden - nothing to change the trajectory of pandemic
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Posted by queensgal
I mean Biden isn’t magic.
The US has had zero national policy, and put forth zero real effort to control this virus for a year. It’s now so out of control in the entire country, we are passing experts doomsday scenarios.
Not sure what you would expect. Have you followed non Fox News at all in the last 11 months?
It’s going to take a lot of time and for people to change their ways to make any kind of real progress. And that won’t bring back the 400k who have died. This virus has been an epic disaster for our country and failure of our govt - at this point, even if we magically stopped it today, that statement would be true.
Yes, I do follow non Fox News, do we really need to take it there every time.
I remember Biden saying give him 100 days of mask mandate blah blah blah. Now we are doom and gloom. It’s not what I was expecting to hear. I’m so done with all this.
This is almost entirely being reported on fox so it's a valid question.
What he means is that the initiatives he is going to implement are going to take time to bear fruit.
The mask mandate is something he can only implement to a certain extent - on federal property, interstate travel, etc.
Yes he is going to make many changes but under Trump there was no money for vaccine distribution to states, no frequent meetings, no Defense Production Act so it will take time to implement all that and then have visible results.
Personally I would rather be told the truth than be lied to about how it will "disappear" because it's a "hoax" and whatever other nonsense 45 said.
But everything you are saying that he is implementing now WILL change the trajectory. I am confused by the choice of words. I think saying it will take time is one thing but it IS changing the trajectory. It has to!
Of course. But it will take time! He said "the next several months." The point is don't expect immediate change. Trajectory means general direction.
Trajectory means the path that something is taking so if he is not planning to try to change that path then what’s the point? I know this is semantics but he is using the wrong terminology and by doing so he has done exactly what this thread is describing, which is making people pessimistic and thinking that nothing they do can change the outcome. He should be saying all of this is exactly what we need to do to change the trajectory but that it will take time to see the effects. Whatever this is a waste of time to argue about because you aren’t following the trajectory of my argument. Lol
I reread the transcript posted - where does it even say the word trajectory?!
This is why I asked if you’d listened to anything other than Fox as you seem to have a distorted view of the summary of his comments.
All he keeps repeating is that we have to act now and he is taking actions to help people, veterans, first line responders.
If you consider him laying out the facts of the situation as doom and gloom and prefer the lie of “it will be gone by Easter” then you will be very frustrated over the next 4 years. Sometimes the truth is painful.
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