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drpepper318
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion All the Way Up Until Birth!
I’m genuinely curious if the “pro choice” / women’s march/ “my body my choice” people are happy about this and think it’s progress?!
I haven’t seen many posts of outrage about this thus far... very few on FB.
In my opinion, Cuomo, Clinton, and anyone who voted for this bill have blood on their hands. I’m absolutely disgusted that this would be even on the table much less voted through. Sick and barbaric! They want no restrictions on abortion whatsoever.
Some will say “oh but the health of the mother!”.. calling it the “reproductive health act” instead of what it really is...sure there are situations that call for a late-term baby to be delivered immediately, but no circumstances call for it to be a dead baby. That’s what emergency c sections are for. As a doctor you do your best to save both.
So it’ll be perfectly legal for me, on a whim, to decide to have my now 33-week preborn child, who responds to touch and sound, feels pain, knows my voice, dreams, and would survive if born today, murdered savagely in this state. I can choose to have him suffocated, burned by acid, his spine snipped and body ripped to pieces, torn limb by limb, from my womb. Just because.
What a sad, sick, depraved society we live in today. Where unhatched eggs have more protection than unborn babies. Where these same politicians want to tax soda because it’s bad for you, but electively slaughtering after the point of viability is just fine. The fully formed human being at nine months of pregnancy will have zero rights.
Also now if a man beats a woman and the unborn baby dies, he will no longer be brought on charges for the baby’s death.
As though it didn’t happen.
Some would say it’s none of my business if a woman wants to have this done and a doctor agrees to do it... well at this point clearly the baby is a separate human being. So when do another’s actions that harm or kill someone become my business??
I’m genuinely curious how those who support this can defend it.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
I'm strongly pro choice and find this appalling!
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MrsT809
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
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ANewDayHasCome
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
When I read OPs post I was horrified, but that can’t be right.
The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive. It’s not just bc you want to abort on a whim.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
This is just awful
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MrsT809
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
I think the issue here is they dont define what, mother's health, means. What reasoning does that include?
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Momma2015
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
May I ask where you read this? Any article I read that described it the way it is described in the OP has been on sites that refer to pro-choice as "pro-abortion"  .
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PhyllisNJoe
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Bill
To protect the mothers life or health.
This is pretty basic and doesn’t go Into much detail. I want to see full info on this matter. Especially when thinking about to day and what would constitute protecting a mothers “life or health”. Is it literally life or death or can it be broken into different versions : Finanically? Unstable home? Mental anguish over this mistake? Husband cheated and she wants to get back at him? (No, not far fetched. This is a real story)
Until I see if these things can be put in the category of protection for the mothers life or health - I can’t make a full/true statement on the matter.
I will however say , I love how NYstate is pushing the right for all NYers to terminate and zero right to procreate if you need assistance. No mandatory IVF coverage. You can destroy a life but make one with some help? You’re on your own.
I am pro choice. Always have been. And this coming from an infertileWoman. But i am pro choice To a degree. The people I know who’ve had 3-4-5-6 abortions in their lives - I never look at them the same. Plenty use it AS birth control. Especially that health Insurance will cover up to 1 abortion per calendar year. Just a quick copay.
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MrsT809
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
I think the issue here is they dont define what, mother's health, means. What reasoning does that include?
Are they supposed to legislate every possibility? I believe it's between a woman and her doctor. I don't think anyone is going into obstetrics bc they want to harm fetuses but as with any profession I guess some are less than professional. I don't think that should be reason to limit other women's choices who are in desperate situations. Same way I don't think the rare person who uses abortion as "birth control" should be a reason to take away someone else's choice.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
I seriously don't think this bill is going to allow a woman to walk in at 8 months pregnant with a perfectly healthy fetus and say- hey, yeah, I decided I don't want to have this baby, let's abort it.
I would imagine this is for extreme instances
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Just  .
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NervousNell
I seriously don't think this bill is going to allow a woman to walk in at 8 months pregnant with a perfectly healthy fetus and say- hey, yeah, I decided I don't want to have this baby, let's abort it.
I would imagine this is for extreme instances
Exactly.
I honestly won't even go into with the OP, but to echo another poster, you can't legislate every single scenario. It's case by case. It's extreme. It's going to be in very rare instances. The whole point is that previously, women didn't have the ability to make the decision; it was up to the doctors. Now, women have a say.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
This makes me absolutely sick to my stomach 
I heard about this yesterday. I'm embarrassed and saddened.
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Cue a man protesting on the corner of wantagh and sunrise with a severe newborn head. I just had a baby 7 weeks ago and almost vomited
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by RainyDay
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Posted by MrsT809
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
I think the issue here is they dont define what, mother's health, means. What reasoning does that include?
Are they supposed to legislate every possibility? I believe it's between a woman and her doctor. I don't think anyone is going into obstetrics bc they want to harm fetuses but as with any profession I guess some are less than professional. I don't think that should be reason to limit other women's choices who are in desperate situations. Same way I don't think the rare person who uses abortion as "birth control" should be a reason to take away someone else's choice.
All of this.
ETA there is no definition of “mother’s health.” How could you define that? Why does it even matter?
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drpepper318
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
When I read OPs post I was horrified, but that can’t be right.
The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive. It’s not just bc you want to abort on a whim.
I would have hoped you’re right, but I don’t think so.
Cuomo described it as “abortion for all, on demand, no restrictions, is what we want for New York”... I heard him say basically this very recently (not sure his exact wording 100 percent but this is the gist). 
Slippery slope, and here we are.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ANewDayHasCome
Posted by MrsT809
I don't support late term abortion for no good reason but I don't think the way you're describing it can be right. I can't find much about thr new law but here's the explanation i did find.
"The law for the first time allows abortions after the 24-week mark to protect the mother’s health or in cases where the fetus won’t survive.
Previously, abortions after that point were permitted only to preserve a mother’s life."
https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/andrew-cuomo-signs-bill-updating-new-yorks-abortion-law/
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
I think the issue here is they dont define what, mother's health, means. What reasoning does that include?
Are they supposed to legislate every possibility? I believe it's between a woman and her doctor. I don't think anyone is going into obstetrics bc they want to harm fetuses but as with any profession I guess some are less than professional. I don't think that should be reason to limit other women's choices who are in desperate situations. Same way I don't think the rare person who uses abortion as "birth control" should be a reason to take away someone else's choice.
All of this.
ETA there is no definition of “mother’s health.” How could you define that? Why does it even matter?
It matters because what if within the term mothers health it can mean “mental anguish”?
That’s where it matters.
I get that there are a lot of people who are against abortion period. And that’s their right. To never get one. But I’m afraid this opens doors to a lot more irresponsible people having the ability to just decide it’s not what they want. Not at 4, 6 or even 8wks. But until birth.
Again ... I believe in a woman’s right to choose. And I believe it’s none of my business what another woman wants to do regarding her pregnancy. But if this new law using the wording “mothers Heath” means anything more than she will die if this pregnancy goes another second - I cannot and would never stand by it.
There’s a limit. And that limit is being pushed too far. Nobody is protecting the innocent life - the baby.
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drpepper318
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Do you have a source for the quote?
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MrsT809
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
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Posted by MrsT809
I'll just add, if you've ever watched someone feel their baby move and kick inside and then find out that baby won't survive, it's horrific and personally, I'm glad there are options out there for the families in that position.
Of course!!! I agree. But that’s very different from what I’m referring to.
But you're making it sound like anyone can now easily go get an abortion at any time and that's not what the law says.
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drpepper318
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by NervousNell
I seriously don't think this bill is going to allow a woman to walk in at 8 months pregnant with a perfectly healthy fetus and say- hey, yeah, I decided I don't want to have this baby, let's abort it.
I would imagine this is for extreme instances
The scenario you described is already permitted and happening in some states. There are doctors who will do it. Gosnell comes to mind, although no longer... There are other clinics & doctors in certain states who do it, no reason required, as long as you pay. You can look it up easily. There’s a lot of corruption in the abortion industry, and as everywhere else, money talks. It’s sad.
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
From my very brief review...abortions after the 24 week mark have always been permitted based on a mother's life being at risk. What has been added is the ability to abort a fetus that is alive but not expected to live outside of the uterus or where the fetus is not expected to survive. They have also expanded who can perform an abortion whereas it was previously only an MD...not a PA or NP can perform such.
ETA: It also seems to be a push to retain the reproductive right to an abortion should Roe v Wade be overturned in the Supreme Court. The bill also approved bills to require health insurers cover contraceptives and to prevent managers from discriminating against employees based on reproductive health choices
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Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
The law is called RHA. (reproductive health act). Its intent was to try and block Kavanagh'S vote in the SCOTUS from taking away abortion rights. It removes many restrictons for performing abortions after the 24-week mark. I am not sure what that means specifically and how to interpret this.
Equally as concerning, it removes charges of criminality against those who take an unborn child's life (think domestic violence or quacks) 
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/01/22/reproductive-health-act-new-york-legislature-gov-andrew-cuomo-roe-v-wade/
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drpepper318
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Re: Bill Passes in NY State Legalizing Abortion on Demand All the Way Up Until Birth!
Posted by mrsrainbow
Do you have a source for the quote?
Are you trying to say he never said it, or that no one actually thinks this way??? Lots of people do, which is what I can’t fathom.
Google it, you tube it, whatever... I’m sure the news clip is out there... he’s said similar on multiple occasions... everyone knows he’s VERY against any abortion restriction.
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