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The Nursing Home "Scandal"
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by MC09
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
Yes, you're 100% right. There were a lot of logistical issues. If he would've been upfront and transparent about it it would've been a non-issue. It's the lying about it and trying to hide it that did him in.
This. The sexual harassment and toxic workplace stuff alone is a reason to investigate and act on, but the lying is intolerable.
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Jenn79
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by Sash
Umm no.. there was no different perspective with Covid. We can’t cherry pick science and laws to fit the narrative.
I agree with the above two posters!
Agree with all the posters as well.
Suddenly the ‘but we’re in a pandemic and we must look at things differently’ doesn’t apply?
The man had a navy ship and the javits center sitting empty. He was too proud to take help from the orange man bc it would hurt his ego. He played politics. If he didn’t preach on a daily basis about how this can’t be made political it wouldn’t be as bad. It would be bad, but he never practices what he preaches.
He was told by the government he couldn’t use it for COVID patients at first. That’s why it was empty. They were only sending patients that needed other care than COVID. If I remember correctly the government eventually reversed its decision and allowed covid patients but we were already at our peak and coming down.
Agreed he doesn’t practice what he preaches... but saying he had too much pride to use the ship is IMO misleading
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
I agree. A lot of this is on the nursing homes too for not following proper procedures but maybe they didn't have space to isolate the covid patients and if the hospitals saying they are discharged then they are discharged. Not much anyone could do about it. The big problem I have is the lying. I mean what is the sense of lying about the deaths being nursing home or hospital. Everyone knew what a mess it was and how much was out of control. I wonder if the lying was because there were other financial missteps by the state which made it more difficult for nursing homes to comply...
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Re: The Nursing Home "Scandal"
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by LastLightGlow
I think hindsight is 20/20. I’m not sure how to put into words what it was like for inpatient hospitals in that period of time when they were made to send them back to the nursing homes. There was not enough staff, rooms, or resources to take care of stable patients. This means that these patients would have been sitting in their waste for hours waiting to be changed, would not have had assistance for feeding or walking to the bathroom, would not have received meds on time, could not have had help speaking to family on then phone, and most definitely would have exacerbated any dementia or induced delirium so we would have no choice but to medicate with sedation because we didn’t have the time for other options. There would have been so many patient falls due to patients unmonitored and getting out of bed alone because we were at 30% staffing. There are isolation rooms in many Nursing homes. We send residents back with isolation requirements pre/post Covid all the time. There should have in hind site been more organized isolation sections of long term care facilities. You have to understand that it is was one week “ok Covid will probably be here soon” and the next week we had thousands of Covid and no staff or resources. We didn’t see this coming. There were no protocols. Those patients would not have been safe in the hospitals, that is for sure. During this time, WE DID NOT HAVE proper PPE either. We had surgical masks worn for 2 weeks. I know nursing homes had even less. Had our leadership had a heads up of the deluge we were about to experience from federal government, better protocols might have been in place.
I hate to say this, but the truth is that Covid was going to spread in nursing homes either way. There was no way to prevent this even with our best measures. Heck, even now with proper staffing and PPE hospital acquired Covid is rampant.
I know what they could and should have done to give everyone a good chance, but everything happened so fast and unexpectedly and I don’t think and if our state leaders even knew what was to come until it was too late. It boils down to our federal government, who had warning of oncoming pandemic, urging proper warning, which ever came. Cuomo is a moron for many reasons, but I can’t put full blame for this one.
I agree. A lot of this is on the nursing homes too for not following proper procedures but maybe they didn't have space to isolate the covid patients and if the hospitals saying they are discharged then they are discharged. Not much anyone could do about it. The big problem I have is the lying. I mean what is the sense of lying about the deaths being nursing home or hospital. Everyone knew what a mess it was and how much was out of control. I wonder if the lying was because there were other financial missteps by the state which made it more difficult for nursing homes to comply...
Agree with this. Once an administration is engaged in coverup, their word is worthless, and you'll doubt everything they say.
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